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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Boeing just sent out their newsletter, announcing that Air Pacific has today ordered 5 789 plus 3 options, taking the total order count to 350 from 26 airlines.

Congratulations...


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11027 times:

IMO, this is the last UFO order just posted last Thursday. . .

PanAm_DC10, would you be so kind as to confirm. . .  Wink


Hamlet69



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11005 times:

Yes, that is true:

"The order was included last week on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries Web site, attributed to an unidentified customer. Today’s announcement coincides with the second anniversary of Boeing’s launch of the 787 program."

That's what the press release from Boeing says...



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Congrats to both Boeing and Air Pacific. Let's hear something from LY and Aeroflot on their decisions. Does anyone remember Boeing's ambitious sales targets, i.e target at EIS??????

cheers
AA1818



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

http://boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060425a_nr.html

Indeed very interesting. Several people at A.net predicted it was Air Pacific. We are getting good at this. Maybe Boeing would hire us as their market analysts.  Smile

[Edited 2006-04-26 03:01:47]

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2536 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10915 times:

Here's the link to the announcement on Boeing's site
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q2/060425a_nr.html

They are 789's and will replace the current 744's. Deliveries to start in 2011.
Congrats Boeing and FJ


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

Thanks for the link Kaitak744. I must say kudos to the Boeing team so far with the 787!!!! Let's see this paper plane fly!!!!!

AA1818



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User currently onlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

very nicely done, welcome aboard the 787 ride FJ, the south Pacific is so hotting up with the 787's these days,


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User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10830 times:

Good decision.

I hope this will replace their 767. It would be time for it to retire.

IIRC the 744's were on lease from SQ. Will they go back to SQ?


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10803 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 7):
the south Pacific is so hotting up with the 787's these days

All that is left is Air Tahiti Nui  Wink


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10742 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 5):
and will replace the current 744's

Right, "The new Dreamliners will eventually replace two Boeing 747-400s and one 767-300ER." This should put to rest doubts that aircraft of different size compete with each other for the airlines' dollars.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Would FJ start SFO service with the 787? I would think the 744 would be overkill, but the 787 would be a nice size to serve the SFO-Fiji route; they'd also have the route to themselves, as no one else flies it.

-Copa


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Good Lawd that is a boring Livery.. it needs something.. besides all that white and those lines on the tail..

Livery update please!



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2536 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
Good Lawd that is a boring Livery.. it needs something.. besides all that white and those lines on the tail..

Maybe they'll paint the mural of the islands on the fuselage like on the 744. That would be cool.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10516 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 1):
IMO, this is the last UFO order just posted last Thursday. . .

PanAm_DC10, would you be so kind as to confirm. . .

Hamlet69 Thank you, yes it is the 5 x UFO posted last week  Smile

What I find interesting about this order is the 787's market share in Oceania. AirNZ, Qantas, Jetstar and now Air Pacific. The only remaining operator in the region with a need for such a airframe would be Air Tahiti Nui. Boeing's almost secured an entire region with the model. Before launch!

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 14):
The only remaining operator in the region with a need for such a airframe would be Air Tahiti Nui. Boeing's almost secured an entire region with the model. Before launch!

Before launch? I guess you mean before first flight?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

Well this order was the worst kept secret... but congrats to FJ for joining the 787 programme! Fiji is really turning into the alternative to Hawaii. Massive tourism growth to Fiji over the past 10 years.


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 14):
What I find interesting about this order is the 787's market share in Oceania. AirNZ, Qantas, Jetstar and now Air Pacific.

Indeed. Either Boeing's sales team is enjoying entirely too much Southern sun (  Wink ), or this aircraft definitely fits into these airlines' route systems flawlessly.

Besides Air Tahiti Nui, as you already mentioned, there are the continuous rumors that the Virgin group is looking to expand Virgin Blue internationally. But if this happens, doesn't the 787 seem like another perfect fit for such an operation? . . .

Regards,

Hamlet69

P.S. - Don't forget Africa as well. So far we have RAM, Ethiopian and Kenya. And Seychelles (do they count as 'Africa' or not?) is leasing 2 from ILFC. . .



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10302 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
Before launch? I guess you mean before first flight?

That'll be 1  whiteflag  to me for my  Embarrassment

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 17):
Besides Air Tahiti Nui, as you already mentioned, there are the continuous rumors that the Virgin group is looking to expand Virgin Blue internationally. But if this happens, doesn't the 787 seem like another perfect fit for such an operation? . . .

with Sir Richard Possibly taking a control stake over DJ...he has stated that he would only start trans-pacific service if he can get daily flight rights..

I have read that they were interested in 777's.....

SRB and 777's....... scratchchin  spin 



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

Guys I think your forgetting an important point here, QF owns the controlling shares of FJ. We all knew QF had a huge bloomin' onion deal with the 787 even though it is for subsidiary JQ, so if QF thought the B789 was going to fit with JQ, why not FJ? Makes sense.


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 19):
I have read that they were interested in 777's.....

Interesting. This would mark the third occasion that I can recall that SRB/Virgin have looked at the 777. The closest they ever came, of course, was the first time when they actually acquired options.

We'll see what the future holds. Somehow, I see 787-9/-10's over the 777 if this does indeed go forward.


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10119 times:
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Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 20):
QF owns the controlling shares of FJ

QF only own 47% of FJ which is not a controlling share.

It is my understanding FJ were quite free to order what they wanted.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
QF only own 47% of FJ which is not a controlling share.

It is my understanding FJ were quite free to order what they wanted.

Technically, what you say is true. As a practical matter, however, you do not ignore a 47% shareholder.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 5):
They are 789's and will replace the current 744's

I suppose LAX will get daily then as it is currently served by 744's 4x weekly? Could the new 787 see a direct YVR-NAN in place of the NAN-HNL-YVR? Hopefully FJ will anounce a new long-haul destination with it's new 787's. I'm hoping for SFO or HKG, although I would like NZ to start NAN-SFO. Will we be seeing flat beds in business class and AVOD in economy? What about a premium economy class?


25 Kjet12 : This is great news. Another for the Boeing order books. Sorry if I'm a bit out of the loop as I usually don't follow Air Pacific, but didn't they have
26 Wedgetail737 : In addition to Air Tahiti Nui, don't forget about AirCalin of New Caledonia. They do have one or two A330's.
27 Planemanofnz : They have 2 A330's, 1 A320 and a twin otter for services between Futuna and Wallis Island. You are correct. It was in 2002. The deal was all go, unti
28 Eta unknown : FJ have publically stated the intention of the additional widebody aircraft is to increase frequencies on existing routes and then open up new destina
29 777ER : This order will replace FJs only B763 I read in the business section of todays paper that DJ has hired an ex Airbus employee who is an expert on airc
30 ZK-NBT : Way to go FJ!! Can't wait to see these birds in AKL in future!
31 Post contains images Nimish : The livery looks quite boring - but the aircraft itself looks really sexy
32 N1120A : Well, DJ is seriously stupid then, given that LAX has among the lowest costs of any major airport. In fact, the costs at LAX are more in line with re
33 Halophila : Sweet! I've flown LAX-Nadi-AKL and LAX-Nadi-BNE quite a few times; have to say Nadi airport is really nice and the FJ staff are always very polite. I
34 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Second that!
35 Joni : How many orders do A350 and B787 now have this year? And where can I find this info? Airbus doesn't seem to list current-year orders, only all orders
36 Post contains links Tifoso : Look at the two Wikipedia pages. You should be able to get all the info there. For the 787, you can also use Boeing's orders website. Cheers http://e
37 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Joni, to see how many A350s Airbus have booked firm go to this link; http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/# Scroll down and open
38 PM : Is this a rumour or has it been announced?
39 PanAm_DC10 : Announced on April 3rd 2006 by Air Seychelles. 2 x 787-8 Regards, PanAm_DC10
40 ClassicLover : Excellent choice by Air Pacific! ... regardless of the QF shareholding, it makes sense for them to go with the 787 due to the fact that QF and NZ will
41 Joni : Where do you find the figure 13? The spreadsheet displays all orders through Airbus' existence.
42 PanAm_DC10 : I can't link directly to the spreadsheet. 13 comes from 9 x A350 for AY and 2 x A358 & 2 x A359 for ILFC. Your 13 sir. When you open the spreadsheet,
43 Joni : Brilliant, thanks! I didn't realize there were tabs also to the left.
44 PM : Huh, I missed that one. Thanks!
45 DAYflyer : Good luck getting them off the Airbus horse. Didnt they jus commit to more 340's? Good news for Boeing and the airline. Long may they fly.
46 YULWinterSkies : But I'm not sure about Airbus... The 330, 340, 350, 380 being all dead, I'm not sure they would need so pessimistic people... 3 reasons why I do not
47 Luisca : They need to start making some money first. Then get of the Airbus horse, then they would buy the 787. Isn't Air Tahiti Nui on the verge of collapse?
48 Post contains images Johnny : As Qantas owns the majority of this airline, this situation is the same as Continental/Copa. Fleet decisions by the owner.
49 BoeingBus : How can you be so sure they are not expected to get the 787? Do you work for AF or something? I really think AF/KLM is highly interested in the 787,
50 AirFrnt : The 787 is really designed to do to the pacific what the 757/767 did to the Atlantic. Fragment the living daylight out of the routes, make it infeasa
51 BoeingBus : It's a dupe... sorry slow net connection causing havoc.[Edited 2006-04-26 19:10:15]
52 Luisca : Actually the story is a bit more complicated. CO purchased 49% of CM, so yes they did influence the CM 737 order. CM was in final negotiations for th
53 Post contains images AirPacific747 : nice!! my username should have been AirPacific787
54 A342 : Yes. Their A343s are brand new. And of course, there are ETOPS restrictions over the pacific.
55 Zkpilot : Has QF decided on its Engines yet? NZ already does a bit of mx for FJ on their 737s
56 Kaitak744 : 3 reasons why they could order the 787. 1. The 787-10 will be designed to do everything the 777-200ER/A340-300 can do. 2. The A340-300 will be dead a
57 PM : Meaning just what? Out of production? Yes, probably. Out of service? Hardly. There seems to be a myth gaining currency on A.Net that the minute an ai
58 Ha763 : Air Tahiti Nui has been flying to Paris through LAX since they started flying.
59 Zvezda : That depends on the price of kerosene. I expect that in 2012 there will still be A340-300s flying, but it is not certain. If the price of kerosene ri
60 ClassicLover : QF haven't... I imagine the engine manufacturers are fighting hard over it. I really hope they go with the Trent. I believe NZ selected the Trent? I
61 777ER : NZ selected Trents for both their B772s and B787s B763. I believe SQ does MX on the B744s
62 FoxXray : Air Tahiti Nui first route was PPT-CDG (via LAX) !!!
63 Kaitak744 : Sorry, my bad. I was thinking of the NYC flight.
64 Kaitak744 : Ok, well, they won't immediately dispose of them, but a vast majority will be gone. The A340-300 has no after life service. (no possible refuel tanke
65 A342 : The 744 has no advantage in fuel burn per seat compared to the A343. In a LH pdf document they state the fuel burn per 100 pax-km. A343: 3.99 liters
66 Post contains images Jacobin777 : given it will be almost 2 decades since introduction, I think it would mean the end of the line in terms of production... 6 years from now, I'm sure
67 Post contains images Johnny : @Kaitak744 What a summary on nonsense in your last quote..! 1. The A343 has no after-life market in 2012 ? What are you talking about? The airplane is
68 ClassicLover : Pfft... if you follow the standard with US operators, it will probably be in mainline passenger service through to 2020. Additionally, there have bee
69 PM : Almost fifty and there are still a few more to be built and delivered. Finnair ordered three only last month. I find it hard to accept that a model w
70 ClassicLover : Agree with you 100% on that one!
71 Post contains images Johnny : @ Classiclover I think you cempletely missed my point!!! I mentioned that the A340 is NO old iron in 2012.Yes, i wrote that the oldest are 19 years ol
72 N328KF : With the anemic thrust:weight ratio of earlier A340-300s, I'm not so sure about this.
73 ZK-NBT : Off topic I no but TN only started CDG 3-4 years ago, they started flying in 1998.
74 Planemanofnz : Wrong. TN started flying to CDG in 2002 via LAX. They started, as said above, in 1998, flying before CDG, to LAX, AKL and Japan and there was a codes
75 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : Certainly one of the worst rebrandings ever. From one of the world's best liveries to now one of the worse! They now have since added some more color
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