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UA Gets ORD-CUN Route Authority  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

United Airlines has beaten out USA 3000 and Frontier Airlines and has been awarded route authority to begin Chicago-Cancun serivce:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=396239&docketid=23496


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

I assume that AA already flies this route and per the bilateral, up to three U.S. carriers can serve this city pair. Is there a pending application for the third slot or is there someone else already flying CHI-CUN Mark?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
I assume that AA already flies this route and per the bilateral, up to three U.S. carriers can serve this city pair. Is there a pending application for the third slot or is there someone else already flying CHI-CUN Mark?

ATA flies Midway-Cancun.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

So, the DOT has finally decided on one of the intensively competed for US-CUN routes. How many months have those applications been pending now, 4?

[Edited 2006-04-26 17:19:09]

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

UA used to operate ORD-CUN with DC-8-71's if my memory serves me correctly.....


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Great news for UA!

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Wll done UA, hopefully it should do well, Mexico seems a very popular choice these days.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Good to hear the DOT finally start acting on some of the contested Mexico routes.

I cant wait to see whom gets the JFK-CUN, and the hotly contested LAX-SJD route.

[Edited 2006-04-26 19:20:29]


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
I cant wait to see whom gets the JFK-CUN,

Or if in the unlikely chance USA 3000 get the authority, EWR-CUN. Any word on when a decision will be made?



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I was hoping for UAL to get ORD-CUN as well as Jetblue to get JFK-CUN. Frontier has plenty of CUN presence, good decision.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Surprised they are just now flying this, I take it United is somewhat behind the pack in CUN?


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User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Great News for UA, and they are going to be using mainline for some flights!


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Surprised they are just now flying this, I take it United is somewhat behind the pack in CUN?

And in Mexico and the Caribbean in general.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
hotly contested LAX-SJD route.

That should go to UA too, if committment to a market means anything to the DOT

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Surprised they are just now flying this, I take it United is somewhat behind the pack in CUN?

Under the 2 carrier rule, AA and TZ had the rights. UA just slotted in as the third.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9708 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

It is good to see that UA got the route, but unfortunately they will probably only serve CUN on Saturdays. But I personally doubt that any new airline was going to off nonstop daily service between ORD and CUN. But maybe UA will.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25570 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
That should go to UA too, if committment to a market means anything to the DOT

Anything is possible, but given the DOT's notorious even-handedness, I would raise an eyebrow if UA got both authorities.

And I would think Delta would yell.

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User currently offlineUAL#1fan From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
And in Mexico and the Caribbean in general.

Agreed. Asian expansion is highest on United's priorities list right now. Europe and Latin America lag behind in focus for UA. Because of this, other carriers have seized the lead in the Mexican/Caribbean/South American market, like AA and CO, although to be fair United does not have a hub that would be a good gateway to these location (unlike AA at DFW and CO at IAH).



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User currently offlineB777Fanatic1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Well, if it were'nt for CUN, PVR, SJD I don't know were we would be as far as legacies are concerned. "Viva Mexico" i guess.

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3702 times:


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I was disappointed that I could not take ORD-CUN over DEN-CUN last March. I look forward to picking this up in the near future. Way to go UA/TED!


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting UAL#1fan (Reply 16):
Agreed. Asian expansion is highest on United's priorities list right now. Europe and Latin America lag behind in focus for UA. Because of this, other carriers have seized the lead in the Mexican/Caribbean/South American market, like AA and CO, although to be fair United does not have a hub that would be a good gateway to these location (unlike AA at DFW and CO at IAH).

That's a good point, but what is their excuse at LAX? Not trying to knock UA as I've had lots of good experiences with them, but they are the only legacy to have a true hub at LAX, but they didn't really start Mexico flights until the past few years. In the meantime, AS has been able to build up the largest Mexico operation out of LAX - why wasn't UA in on some of that action until now? Same with SFO - why did they just recently start flights from SFO to Mexico.

That said, they have finally added some Saturday flights from IAD and ORD to the Caribbean, so they're at least seeing some opportunity. But I wonder why they couldn't add some RJ frequencies to smaller cities and put the 319/320 on more Caribbean and Mexico routes (especially from IAD and LAX)?


User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 14):
It is good to see that UA got the route, but unfortunately they will probably only serve CUN on Saturdays. But I personally doubt that any new airline was going to off nonstop daily service between ORD and CUN. But maybe UA will.

Looks like daily Ted service and Sat and Sun mainline, and even twice daily Ted during high season. http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=396239&docketid=23496
open the PDF and go to page 2, it has the whole proposal



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User currently offlineUAL#1fan From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 19):
they have finally added some Saturday flights from IAD and ORD to the Caribbean, so they're at least seeing some opportunity.

In the last three years, we have seen quite a bit of expansion by United in the Caribbean, so I imagine it will increase. They have started service to SXM, Montego Bay, three or four new Mexican destinations, Aruba, Bermuda, Punta Cana, and St. Lucia. I hope this expansion will continue.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 19):
That's a good point, but what is their excuse at LAX? Not trying to knock UA as I've had lots of good experiences with them, but they are the only legacy to have a true hub at LAX, but they didn't really start Mexico flights until the past few years.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on in Chicago headquarters, but UA should definitely try to capitalize on their hub at LAX. Los Angeles probably has one of the top five largest Latin American communities in the U.S., so there is a huge market for Mexican/Latin American flights. I'm sure United realizes this, but they should try to take advantage of their LAX hub to seize this demand and market.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Until United is in a position to order and receive new aircraft, any major expansion will result only from optimizing its schedule. Many of the new Caribbean routes were Winter seasonal flights. They'll end soon and the aircraft will be shifted to locations to optimize Summer flying. There are many ideal routes from many of its hubs just waiting for United to get new aircraft.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
Anything is possible, but given the DOT's notorious even-handedness, I would raise an eyebrow if UA got both authorities.

And I would think Delta would yell.

Who cares what Delta would say. What commitment have they shown to the LAX market? They don't even pay for their terminal at this point. If United doesn't get it (which they should), then Frontier should. Then again, there is currently only one US airline on the route (Alaska), since ATA gave up their authority, so there will be two to go out.

Quoting UAL#1fan (Reply 21):
Los Angeles probably has one of the top five largest Latin American communities in the U.S

One of the top 5? Try the largest



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