LGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2859 times:
With NYC (and with that I do not count Islip as it can be well over an hour drive away in traffic) being probably the biggest hole in the WN network, I was wondering If WN was using ATA service out of LGA to test the possibility of WN serving LGA themselves eventually. IIRC, Southwest owns part (most?) of ATA. Would this mean that they would be in a position to take over their slots at LGA? It would make sense because right now TZ flies LGA-HOU, and LGA-MDW. These routes are perfect to feed to WN "hubs" at HOU/MDW. Each time I have flown LGA-MDW, there have been tons of pax connecting onto other WN destinations. Im sure the same is true for HOU. HOU and MDW would also seem like good WN nonstops out of LGA, because I doubt they would want to take on B6/AA/CO/DL/US/NK in the mess that is LGA/JFK-FLORIDA. I guess I could see WN maybe flying down to BWI from LGA to connect pax to many destinations, and maybe flying to DEN/STL, if they ever got more slots. What does everyone think about this?
Yanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1392 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter): With NYC (and with that I do not count Islip as it can be well over an hour drive away in traffic) being probably the biggest hole in the WN network, I was wondering If WN was using ATA service out of LGA to test the possibility of WN serving LGA themselves eventually. IIRC, Southwest owns part (most?) of ATA. Would this mean that they would be in a position to take over their slots at LGA? It would make sense because right now TZ flies LGA-HOU, and LGA-MDW. These routes are perfect to feed to WN "hubs" at HOU/MDW. Each time I have flown LGA-MDW, there have been tons of pax connecting onto other WN destinations. Im sure the same is true for HOU. HOU and MDW would also seem like good WN nonstops out of LGA, because I doubt they would want to take on B6/AA/CO/DL/US/NK in the mess that is LGA/JFK-FLORIDA. I guess I could see WN maybe flying down to BWI from LGA to connect pax to many destinations, and maybe flying to DEN/STL, if they ever got more slots. What does everyone think about this?
I don't think we'll ever see WN in LGA. The delays of LGA is something that would almost certainly leave it out of consideration by Southwest. If we ever see WN in NYC, it'll be EWR or JFK.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2516 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 6): I don't think we'll ever see WN in LGA. The delays of LGA is something that would almost certainly leave it out of consideration by Southwest. If we ever see WN in NYC, it'll be EWR or JFK.
As if EWR is any better. They already fly to the least on-time airport in the nation according to the DOT in 2005, which is PHL.
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 7): They probably got TZ to do the route so they could throw their own pax on the planes all they wanted but not have to deal with the slots/delays.
Wasn't there some talk of WN in LGA by 2008? I know getting the slots are an issue though.
WN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 5): Southwest does not own any part of ATA. The LOAN was payed back with the MDW gates and hangars.
no.....
wn loan was 40 million cash and wn purchised the 4 gates and hanger back over 1 yr ago..... and then in Jan. TZ payed WN off with Cash and 3 more Gates in mdw to pay off the Loan... TZ now only have 1 Gate in MDW.
Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 6): I don't think we'll ever see WN in LGA.
you never know whare wn will fly to.. Wn Starts service to IAD latter this fall
and just this year Wn Re-stated service to DEN after 20 yrs of not servicing that airport. and who thought WN would service PHL
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3384 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
I don't see WN at LGA ever. They simply couldn't get enough slots to have a sizeable operation there, especially not with the 20-30 flights that WN usually starts a city with. I see them at EWR in the future, however. I definitely think that WN at EWR is in the not too distant future.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 11): I don't see WN at LGA ever. They simply couldn't get enough slots to have a sizeable operation there, especially not with the 20-30 flights that WN usually starts a city with. I see them at EWR in the future, however. I definitely think that WN at EWR is in the not too distant future.
WN does not start cities with 20-30 flights, it's usually in the ballpark of something like 10-13.
ATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
I think the slots are the only thing that might be holding WN back from LGA in a big way. WN did however have the option to get those slots when ATA went into Bankruptcy. These slots were to go to Airtran but since WN did not even go for them I would guess that LGA is not in their immediate future flight plan.
I will expect to see ATA enter slowly into routes that WN does not serve directly, like HOU-MIA or MDW-MIA. Routes like those have the same recipe for success as the HOU-LGA.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2804 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): Not the slots, but they are getting rid of their perimeter rules in the next couple of years
I was not aware of any plan to eliminate the perimeter rule at LGA--do you have any further info on this?
As I recall, the plan under Air-21 was to phase out the slot restrictions at LGA and JFK on January 1, 2007. However, given how well the unlimited RJ slot exemptions went in 2000 [sarcasm], I am not sure of the current status of that plan. I sure hope it won't happen--the delays would be an absolute nightmare at LGA, just like in 2000.
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): Not the slots, but they are getting rid of their perimeter rules in the next couple of years
You've got it backwards.
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16): As I recall, the plan under Air-21 was to phase out the slot restrictions at LGA and JFK on January 1, 2007. However, given how well the unlimited RJ slot exemptions went in 2000 [sarcasm], I am not sure of the current status of that plan. I sure hope it won't happen--the delays would be an absolute nightmare at LGA, just like in 2000.
Yes, you're correct. The 1/1/07 elimination of slots is still on the books, but it's all but certain to be pushed back again.
And I'd also note that under Air21, any new entrant or limited incumbent airline (like Southwest would be) can get up to 20 slot exemptions at LGA (good for 10 roundtrips) for free, just by asking. That's how airlines like AirTran and JetBlue were able to start decent-sized operations at LGA (unlike DCA), and WN would be free to open LGA with 10 flights if they wanted to.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Sponsor Message: 
From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, 
From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4900 posts, 
They already fly to the least on-time airport in the nation according to the DOT in 2005, which is PHL.
From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
