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Iranair Buys 11 Second Hand Airbusses  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12395 times:

http://challengestempsreel.nouvelobs.com/business/art_37037.html

Also 5 TU204s.What Airbus type (s) it will be ? I guess A310s and A300-600Rs.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12376 times:
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I certainly doubt they're A346s as shown in the article!


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12354 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
I certainly doubt they're A346s as shown in the article!

Actually, could be if CX is dumping their's for 77Ws. Still, I doubt it.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12223 times:

According to the article they can't buy new Airbuses either due to American sanctions and the fact that the new Airbuses have American parts on them.

Interesting. Would be nice to see an Iran Air 777LR at JFK these days or an A345/6.

UAL


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11562 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Interesting. Would be nice to see an Iran Air 777LR at JFK these days or an A345/6.

For that to happen, all the Mullahs would have to choke to death on pomegranate seeds collectively.


User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Would be nice to see an Iran Air 777LR at JFK these days or an A345/6.

You will see me doing cartwheels naked in times square before this happens.


User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

Would some of these used aircraft be used for spares? I'm assuming that there are spare aircraft parts that Iran may have trouble buying on the open market because of the U.S. sanctions.

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 7):
You will see me doing cartwheels naked in times square before this happens.

I know, I know, wishful thinking. But still...why can't we just all sit in a semi-circle and sing Kum By Yah? LOL.

UAL


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11376 times:

Hopefully the Tu-204's will come this time, I assume they will have PS-90's instead of Rollers.

Cheers,
MD90fan  airplane 



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11299 times:

I guess they are A310 and/or A300-600.
Iran Air had to ground 5 of its Airbus last year because of the lack of spares.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11074 times:

Whats in their current fleet ?

Arent they still using some 707's ?



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User currently offlineSongStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10999 times:

jetBlue is looking to offload some Airbuses....hmmmm maybe they could strike a deal  Smile

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 13):
Whats in their current fleet ?

Arent they still using some 707's ?

You can see many B707 parked/stored next to the apron at Mehrabad Airport, but they are not used anymore by IR, at least for PAX services (some of them are still used for V.I.P/Gov. Transport by Iran Air Force).
In Iran, only Saha Air still operates a B707 for schedulled PA services.

About IR current fleet, only 1 B747SP (EP-IAD) is still in service The 3 others are stores at THR and used for spares. 2 B742 & 1B741 are also still in service.
The rest of the fleet consists in Airbus A300 (-B2 & -600), A310 (-200 & 300) around 15 aircraft. Here again, some of them had to be grounded last year to be used for spares.
IR operates also 12 Fokker F100, mostly on domestic routes, and some B727 on domestic and regional routes (DXB/IST).


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

Iran needs more NEW planes - for all its airlines, if the Americans don't sell - I'm sure the Russians will - and if the planned Sukhoi RJ does make it I'm sure Iran will be a massive market.
I'm still trying to imagine the A345/6 as a bomber, I've got a funny feeling the Boeing 777 would be a more capable one.



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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 32):
I'm still trying to imagine the A345/6 as a bomber, I've got a funny feeling the Boeing 777 would be a more capable one

Hilarious! If anything, I can imagine that lifting the sanctions that restrict the airline from buying new, reliable and safe equipment, would improve relations between the two countries. Stopping IranAir to buy modern equipment is a bad idea- I'd hate to see one of their aircraft involved in an accident due to a lack of spare parts. (Hey, I suppose it beats shooting it down) Anyone remember the Sudan Airways 737 that crashed from Port Sudan (?)- this was blamed on sanctions placed on the airline.



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User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Havent we been here before Announcemenst of purchases and actualy nothing happens? Do we know where these airbuses are coming from?

I also heard that Mahan Air where buying 2 742 to operate, no idea what routes?


User currently offlineZbrox From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

Actually I find this discussion quite interesting. And kept on a good level.
No irony. No US-bashing. No (or very little) flaming. Almost like we're all mature and adult and educated. Cool.
Keep it going
 Smile


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

getting back to the subject in hand...

I think it would be interesting to see IR get some newer planes in their fleet....route expansion would be nice also..

any guesses as to where they might start flying to? Given their better political ties with Russia and China, I would think they might start there....



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 45):

any guesses as to where they might start flying to? Given their better political ties with Russia and China, I would think they might start there....

Actually, given the Iranian diaspora locations worldwide, flights to US, UK and few other european destinations (France, Germany, Italy) would be a must....

Unless very few of them actually return to their native country on a regular basis.

E.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9723 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
According to the article they can't buy new Airbuses either due to American sanctions and the fact that the new Airbuses have American parts on them.

I never understand people who say this. How do the sanctions work? I mean, if above sentence is true, than Iran Air wasn't able to fly the A310-200 and A300-600R. These aircraft have U.S. manufactured engines (GE) and Iran Air is flying them. So the last part of the sentence isn't correct. Not to flame UAL747 so please don't get me wrong here. It's just that I've seen more people telling the same, so I am just curious as to how these sanctions really work.

A388


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Of course one of the problems is money.

I don't know if IranAir is government funded or not, but if it isn't, perhaps they can't afford to buy new planes (bearing in mind they only really can buy aircrafts from Russia and/or the east).
So buying new aircrafts that fit their needs is only really possible from Russia, and some times they won't fit into the fleet, or are just too odd ball (the IL96 for example), spare parts have to be shipped in from Russia and seeing as there aren't many airlines actually operating the aircrafts outside of Russia spares will be limited, and most of the aircrafts that are operated by other airlines are old aircrafts like the TU154 and buying old aircrafts is only a short term solution, so they will be in the same place in a few years time. And who knows the diplomatic situation may be better or worse.
On top of that, they will have to pay to train or hire pilots and flight engineers and possibly even Navigators (as most Russian aircrafts which they could afford/buy in bulk need an F/E and some of the Soviet era planes also need a navigator) to fly the planes, that isn't cheap and there's the risk of older planes having technolagy that might not even be as up to date as some of their current aircrafts !

In short - It's a complicated and expensive problem, that sadly is dictaed by diplomatic problems.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 54):
I never understand people who say this. How do the sanctions work? I mean, if above sentence is true, than Iran Air wasn't able to fly the A310-200 and A300-600R. These aircraft have U.S. manufactured engines (GE) and Iran Air is flying them. So the last part of the sentence isn't correct. Not to flame UAL747 so please don't get me wrong here. It's just that I've seen more people telling the same, so I am just curious as to how these sanctions really work.

When Iran purchaed the A310s and A300s and the Boeings and all the rest, there were no sanctions against Iran.

A sanction is to hurt a country financially - certain technologies etc are banned from being sold to the country in question for the duration of the period. It doesn't apply to the past. The aim is to make the Government of a country hurt due to political decisions that aren't in line with accepted world view.

More or less.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 55):
aircrafts

Please, you are from England, it's aircraft. One aircraft, many aircraft. As opposed to one aeroplane and many aeroplanes.



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 56):
One aircraft

Okay okay.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 56):
you are from England

Well noticed  Wink, and you appear to be from Australia.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting Eha (Reply 47):
Actually, given the Iranian diaspora locations worldwide, flights to US, UK and few other european destinations (France, Germany, Italy) would be a must....

hmmmm..i still see increased to India, China and Russia as the next three largest destinations...



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 54):
I never understand people who say this. How do the sanctions work? I mean, if above sentence is true, than Iran Air wasn't able to fly the A310-200 and A300-600R. These aircraft have U.S. manufactured engines (GE) and Iran Air is flying them. So the last part of the sentence isn't correct. Not to flame UAL747 so please don't get me wrong here. It's just that I've seen more people telling the same, so I am just curious as to how these sanctions really work.

Iran CAN however, buy Airbus or Boeings from 3rd party sellers. For instance, if they wanted to buy some 747-400's from Air China, and Air China was looking to sell, then they could buy them from the Chinese government. Or say perhaps that PIA wanted to get rid of their 777's, then if they have economic ties with Iran, then Iran Air might be able to purchase them.

Another big problem is that if Iran Air wants to purchase new aircraft, they need a company and a country that will be willing to service the aircraft. The US is not one of them. Not sure about the EU side, but with Iran Air's Boeing 747's, I highly doubt that Boeing techs make the trip to Tehran to help with maintainence issues.

AFAIK, Airbus and Boeing build planes knowing which customers they are going to. Thus, if Airbus decides to build a plane for Iran Air, the US government would not allow US products on that plane. It would have to be fully French or whatever government has economic ties with Iran. Hence, Iran is purchasing some Russian aircraft.


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