Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Shooting At CLE Airport  
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Details just now coming in.


You can cut the irony with a knife
33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Link here.

http://wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=51410



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Apparently a homeless man. There have been recent news reports of Cleveland homeless catching the rapid train to CLE and staying the night when it is cold, which it was last night.


"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

The wounded officer, 18-year veteran Steve Walker, was not wearing body armor, which is required.

Safety Director Martin Flask did not know why he was not wearing his body armor.


If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now. Sad times when incidents happen like this.



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
f he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now

Possibly, but not a given. That's why they're called body armor, and not bullet proof vests.

But yeah, he should have worn it.



“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Another story: http://woio.com/Global/story.asp?S=4827190&nav=menu68_2


“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Possibly, but not a given. That's why they're called body armor, and not bullet proof vests.

I take it their is a difference?



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Apparently, he wasn't a homeless man, but lived on the East side. He had tried to buy a ticket at DL, they denied him, and after getting a ticket from UA, the police confronted him. He had a criminal record. I'll try to get a link when I get a few minutes.

User currently offlineTbnist03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
He had a criminal record.

Whether he had a criminal record or not really shouldn't matter. My guess is that it's being brought up since the guy was abusive. True, sometimes criminal records can be used to predict similar behaviors, but its's not right.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the guy's acts. It's not okay to be abusive, but my feelings tell me that something else went on in that airport...


It's just sad to hear stories about this.



-Mike
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 8):
but my feelings tell me that something else went on in that airport...

It's pretty simple, sounds like to me. He got abusive with UA agents, they called the CPD, which happens more than you might imagine, and the guy grabbed a cop's gun, shot him, and was shot to death by another officer.

Now, why he was found suspicious by DL remains to be seen, since they denied him purchasing a ticket. Other than that, doesn't sound too complicated right now.


User currently offlineAA777JFKLHR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now. Sad times when incidents happen like this.


Thats nice boeing fever lets blame the cop because he wasnt wearing his bullet proof vest...lets not blame the guy who shot him.



people know me...Im a kinda a big deal!
User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

My neighbor who was working @ CO said that it was a zoo over their. Not as bad by CO, but they were still getting people in back once shots rang out.


Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now.

He's not dying. He's in critical (meaning bad) but stable (better than "dying") condition and being closely monitored. The bullet is lodged in his back muscle.

Another officer was injured when the man bit him.

Updates:
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9048592/detail.html
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9041370/detail.html



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
I take it their is a difference?

I think it's more symantic than anything else; the armor is not truly bullet-proof, merely bullet-resistant (meaning that there's still the possibility that a bullet will get through, it's just lessened) from my understanding. "Body Armor" is easier on the mouth than "Bullet-Resistant Vest".

WJW-DT (FOX 8) reported that the police were called when a passenger became unreully at the United ticket counter, aparently upset about the cost of a ticket that was quoted. The suspect aparently got control of another officer's gun and used it to fire the weapon.

WJW also reported that the airport was never closed and that the police were even able to mantain access to the affected ticket counters throuhgout the ordeal.

Lincoln



CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 12):
He's not dying. He's in critical (meaning bad) but stable (better than "dying") condition and being closely monitored.

Actually that's incorrect... The AHA defintion is:

Critical: Vital signs are unstable and not within normal limits. Patient may be unconscious. Indicators are unfavorable.

AHA says "stable" should never be used in conjunction with any condition as it doesn't mean much... You can be dead but stable

[Edited 2006-04-28 00:42:36]

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 14):
AHA says "stable" should never be used in conjunction with any condition as it doesn't mean much... You can be dead but stable

While you are semantically correct, most hospitals will still tell you that a patient is in critical but stable condition if there are serious life-threatening injuries but the patient is not crashing at the moment and there's a favorable chance for improvement.

For all we know, the guy with the bite wound could be in just as bad shape - if the wound was infected (human bites being second only to cat bites in risk of serious infection.)

[Edited 2006-04-28 00:57:21]


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Okay, time to really get the homeless people out of the airport. Thank god the guy didn't start shooting passengers and agents.


This Website Censors Me
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Okay, time to really get the homeless people out of the airport. Thank god the guy didn't start shooting passengers and agents.

WJW was reporting that the suspect purchased a $120 ticket to Chicago on United right before the shooting... I somewhat doubt that if the average homeless person happened to have $120, that their first thought would be "I'm flying to Chicago..."

But I don't know many homeless people, so I could be way off...

Lincoln



CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

$120 dollars walk up to Chicago? That seems low. But regardless, the homeless are a big problem at CLE and if this doesn't prove it what does? Granted I doubt any of the others would do this kind of thing again, but who's to say? Maybe I can get some details at work Saturday, apparently he went to the Delta counter at least once so they might have some info.






Oh, and why is this guy free anyway? Drug trafficking, burglary, vehicular homicide.... he should have been locked up forever long ago.

[Edited 2006-04-28 05:36:54]


This Website Censors Me
User currently offlineBayAreaPilot From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17):
WJW was reporting that the suspect purchased a $120 ticket to Chicago on United right before the shooting... I somewhat doubt that if the average homeless person happened to have $120, that their first thought would be "I'm flying to Chicago..."

That's pretty cheap for a walk-up fare (thanks to WN). What was he so upset about?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

My curiosity is piqued wondering what sort of holster the cop had that allowed the suspect the remove the weapon . . .

I have a triple retention holster, and unless you're the damn Hulk, you aren't going to rip my weapon from the holster by pulling up, sidesways or forward on it . . . up and back, it'll pop right out.

Also, I'm guessing the officer didn't blade himself to the suspect?

From CNN: "Walker was not wearing a bulletproof vest."

Bad call . . .


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Well, it looks like there's some confusion. Some news sites say he's homeless, others don't... so I am now aware of this.. no flaming for my homeless bashing required.


This Website Censors Me
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5599 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
But regardless, the homeless are a big problem at CLE and if this doesn't prove it what does?

Really?? I fly to CLE regularly and have never noticed any vagrants although the Rapid Station has smelled of urine a couple of times. (Why, with free toilets nearby?) Is it a night time problem?

It's not politically correct, but I have to admit I like the crimes during which the obviously guilty "suspect" dies. Saves the expense and sanctimony of a trial.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 22):
Is it a night time problem?

Night and early morning. I come in to work at 5AM and they're everywhere, taking up the majority of the seats in baggage claim. I'm sure the early morning America West arrival passengers love being greeted by that scene.



This Website Censors Me
User currently offlineAislepathLight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Is the airport back up and running like normal? I have to go to North Carolina this afternoon, and I would hate to see it messed up.


"We have slain a large dragon, but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes."
25 Rampkontroler : Yes, all is normal here this morning, you shouldn't have any problems. In fact, things hardly got out of control yesterday. No flights were delayed or
26 CLEwatcher : just because a person is homeless, doesnt mean they might not have a job, i know many homeless people and some of them have decent jobs. I myself was
27 Chrisjake : just fyi... he wasnt homeless. he lived in Willowick with his girlfriend. they showed the house on the news last night. they also interviewed a prior
28 Ca2ohHP : Try walking underground thru baggage claim at 5:00am. These deadbeats are the same ones who were stealing passenger's luggage right off the baggage c
29 Post contains links Mbm3 : Link to article in local CLE paper: http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga/pl...uyahoga/114621345223960.xml&coll=2
30 CLEwatcher : as of the 11 a.m. News on WKYC channel 3, the officer shot is in Critical but stable condition
31 JohnKrist : The difference is big, "body armor" is often a lighter kind of vest that stoppes puncture weapons like knives, and they take the main force of a bull
32 KaiGywer : Actually, body armor is the kind with Kevlar, and it is NOT puncture proof. It does, however, lessen the impact of a bullet. Steel plates need to be
33 JohnKrist : That is exactly what I wrote.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Airport Shooting At MSY posted Thu May 23 2002 01:35:08 by No1racer
Connection At Montreal Airport posted Sun Dec 10 2006 05:41:38 by Emirates773er
Most Airlines At Single Airport... posted Thu Dec 7 2006 19:15:58 by ZschocheImages
6 Immigration Arrests At Atlanta Airport posted Thu Nov 30 2006 00:35:35 by LearJet60
Fire At CPT Airport posted Sun Nov 26 2006 11:51:11 by A390
Taxiway Extension At Luton Airport Runway? posted Wed Nov 22 2006 19:14:29 by 8herveg
Security At Newark Airport posted Tue Nov 21 2006 23:23:29 by Dornier328JET
Effects Of These Mergers At Your Airport posted Thu Nov 16 2006 17:04:07 by ERJ170
Possible Explosive Device At CLE posted Tue Nov 14 2006 13:52:03 by MCIGuy
Washing Facilities At Madrid Airport posted Sun Nov 12 2006 14:40:53 by Reifel