Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5567 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4230 times:
The JFK part didn't surprise me as much as the OAK part:
Harmony Airways adds service to New York, San Francisco
Vancouver, BC, April 27th, 2006: Vancouver-based Harmony Airways is introducing new non-stop routes to New York City and San Francisco bay Area from Vancouver this summer.
Harmony's service to John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City will start on June 29 and operate seven days a week.
Harmony's service to the San Francisco Bay Area will fly into Oakland International Airport. The service will start on June 22 and operate twice a week on Thursdays and Sundays.
"San Francisco is a short two hour flight from Vancouver and a perfect weekend get-away," said Gary Collins, President and CEO. "The culture and the nearby Napa Valley wine county make the Bay Area an attractive and convenient summer leisure destination for British Columbians."
"Whether you're flying for business or pleasure, it's hard to match the excitement of New York. It has world-class shopping, Broadway productions, great restaurants and sights, an energy all its own. Our harmonyone business class and signature in-flight customer service will be perfectly paired with this destination and I look forward to introducing it to travelers new to us and repeat Harmony Customers alike."
Harmony Airways is an industry leader in full-service, competitive air travel. Aimed at exceeding customer expectations, Harmony provides full meal service, wine, comfortable leg room and free in-flight movies aboard its 171-seat Boeing 757 aircraft.
Harmony Airways' fleet of Boeing 757-200s flies daily between Vancouver and Toronto. Additional routes from Vancouver include Las Vegas, Honolulu, Maui, and Palm Springs. Hotels, car rentals, package vacations and more are offered through Harmony Vacations.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4151 times:
Great news for OAK. Its always great to see new Int'l service at Bay Area Airports, and this is especially nice for OAK. It complements their numerous Mexican services. 2 new carriers on the Bay Area-Vancouver route this year, QF and now Harmony. I'd take QF next time I go up there, but it would be cool to try out Harmony sometime. Isn't Harmony the old HMY Airways? What happened to their LAX services?
Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4132 times:
You know what, I think this airline has quite a bit of potential. From what I hear, they offer a great product and from what I've seen on their site, their J class looks amazing! Great food selection as well.
The only thing is that I have not seen much advertising from them, so I know a lot of folks on this side of Canada know very little about this airline.
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz
"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4055 times:
I believe this might be their second attempt at the Bay Area. Shortly after launching the carrier did announce service to SFO Intl, however I dont believe the service actually ever started.
They dropped LAX early 2005. They tried all types of various schedules from 2-3 times weekly to daily service. While loads were not too bad, I've heard yields were pretty atrocious with lots of package tour passengers such as familes headed to Disneyland.
LAX-YVR is a hard market going up against the multiple daily flights being offered by Air Canada, Alaska and then United. Also the B757 was likely an overkill on the route.
They instead managed to operate a low frequency service to Palm Springs for the snowbird traffic.
I'd be interested to see this airlines balance sheet. It really seems to be the personal toy of David Ho the way the carrier enters and exits markets.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
There has been talk we might see them doing MIA-YVR seasonally during the winter for cruiseships, with weekend service. I believe this is also OAK's only link to Canada, a little surprised it isn't daily, though.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3732 times:
Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 5): Well this ends my hope of JetBlue ever starting JFK-YVR. I would have LOVED to have seen that on our route map!
Don't worry, give it some time. Knowing Harmony, they will likely drop the route 6-12months after starting it anyways.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5567 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3694 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4): There has been talk we might see them doing MIA-YVR seasonally during the winter for cruiseships, with weekend service. I believe this is also OAK's only link to Canada, a little surprised it isn't daily, though.
I don't know if OAK has enough traffic to handle a daily 757 to YVR.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3655 times:
On a side note, does anyone know anything about Harmony's fleet expansion? Some Harmony flights in July are showing up as being operated by CRJs.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 7): I don't know if OAK has enough traffic to handle a daily 757 to YVR.
While I am sure the Bay Area has plenty of overall Vancouver traffic demand, I'd agree with your assessment.
As I mentioned in a previous post Harmony tried all types of scheduling variations in the larger Los Angeles market for near two years and could not manage to hang on to the route.
While the carrier ran some minor newspaper advertising and offered good fares, I would venture to say that 90+% of the passengers were Canadian of which many were on package holidays.
I'd suspect Harmony will primarily again sell primarily to Canadians as it would be very difficult to get its name out in the Bay Area while competing against the multiple daily AC, AS, and UA flights between the cities. At the end I suppose it will again come down to how many plane loads of lower yielding package holiday tourist the airline can generate and if this will cover the flights operating cost.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
DFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 492 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3605 times:
Quoting SafetyDude (Reply 9): On a side note, does anyone know anything about Harmony's fleet expansion? Some Harmony flights in July are showing up as being operated by CRJs.
Really? Could you give examples? Perhaps they're looking at code-sharing. But I don't know who else operates CRJ's other than AC Jazz. I doubt they would get QX to operate flights for them. All I have ever heard about Harmony expansion is going to a larger long range aircraft for Asia flights, but I never heard anything about regionals. What route is the CRJ on?
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10): it would be very difficult to get its name out in the Bay Area while competing against the multiple daily AC, AS, and UA
Does anyone know how Harmony One compares to any of the business classes of the above noted carriers? I'm confident Harmony economy is far superior. But what Harmony lacks is a FF program! They should do like WJ and bring in the AirMiles program although I'd love to see them on Alaska Mileage plan.
Jayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
From what I've heard, HQ is looking at a smaller an a larger aircraft to compliment the 757 fleet. Either the 737NG or A319 for the smaller end or the 777 or the A330 for the larger equipment.
From what I've heard they are amazing. Kind of remind me of Wardair.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
Markabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 11): Really? Could you give examples? Perhaps they're looking at code-sharing. But I don't know who else operates CRJ's other than AC Jazz. I doubt they would get QX to operate flights for them. All I have ever heard about Harmony expansion is going to a larger long range aircraft for Asia flights, but I never heard anything about regionals. What route is the CRJ on?
If you go on the website and try to book a YYC-YVR segment it will come up being operated by either a CRJ or F100. No one can explain why and there has been no formal announcement either that would explain this. They must be planning something but I have no idea what. If they think they can compete on YYC-YVR with a CRJ they are in a dream world, especially since they advertised the service with the 757. As far as their new service to Oakland and New York I am sceptical about its potential. Just too many big names to compete against! I guess they had to do something though with the 757s that apparently are not coming to Calgary!
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
Arent Harmony focused on Asia service? Will JFK be timed to connect at YVR with Asian flights on other carriers. Could be a good oppurtunity for Harmony to exploit, and for Asian carriers who dont wish to serve NYC with their own planes
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3383 times:
Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 11): Really? Could you give examples? Perhaps they're looking at code-sharing. But I don't know who else operates CRJ's other than AC Jazz. I doubt they would get QX to operate flights for them. All I have ever heard about Harmony expansion is going to a larger long range aircraft for Asia flights, but I never heard anything about regionals. What route is the CRJ on?
A random check of 20JUN06 on a YVRYYC flight:
V*HQ262/20JUN«
20JUN DPTR ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD ACCUM MILES SM
YVR YYC 1200N 220P S CRJ 1.20 1.20 427 N
DEP-MAIN TERMINAL
Doesn't list any codeshares and/or DBAs. However, Air Canada does have a flight (A320) operating the exact same departure/arrival times so not sure if that has anything to do with it (codeshare but just missing the codeshare info at this time?)
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5567 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 1): It complements their numerous Mexican services.
Don't forget that Azores Express (Sata International) will begin Monday flights between Terceira and OAK with A-310's. I think it starts in mid-June through September sometime.
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1631 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
Is that going to be on the ever gowing list of Terminal 4 airlines. I think soon they are going to need a 4th sign.
YVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 633 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 11): Does anyone know how Harmony One compares to any of the business classes of the above noted carriers? I'm confident Harmony economy is far superior.
I was going to ask the same question as I am considering trying their HarmonyOne product in August, but would like some indication as to what to expect other than the information that is provided on their website.
Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 11): But what Harmony lacks is a FF program! They should do like WJ and bring in the AirMiles program
Astral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
I was away on business in China, and was unable to answer many comments on Harmony's latest moves.
The JFK service would not be able to direct interline as the outbound flight departs in the morning, much earler than all Asia arrivals. Similarly the same for inbound. However, there still are the RON interline traffic that HQ can pickup.
The YYC service will be under ACMI operations as the B757s are now directed to longer range JFK and OAK routes. A CRJ will be used for the YYC segment. HQ will gage the YYC market before committing to larger equipment in the future date. The YYC operations will be mainly interline purposes only as HQ is going to code share with MU, then CI. Further more regular IATA interline agreements (Westjet do not/cannot) are inplace and are working well with JL, CX, and a few others. At least two additional carriers are expected to consider code share YYC later in 2006.
As many of you already know that Westjet has to push back its so called 'interline' link later because of technical (i.e. IT) problems. I truly do not believe Westjet can do it. To have their reservation/settlement system to link with major GDS such as Sabre, and Wordspan is just a dream. No GDS in this world will allow their source code to be released so that a competiting system can gain its market share. To GDS like Sabre, it would be much more advantage for Westjet to dump their peanut size system and switch to Sabre. Why give away your source link, and not go after the airline to switch over. It just dosen't make business sense. Further more Westjet's Open Sky system and the major GDSs are using totally different computer language and format, the technical problems are huge if not impossible to overcome. In the end, it may be better money for Westjet just switch to Sabre or Apollo or whatever, and forget about the millions they have spend so far.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 18): Is that going to be on the ever gowing list of Terminal 4 airlines. I think soon they are going to need a 4th sign
Markabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 22): *Vancouver-Calgary service operated by Voyageur Airways utilizing a Canada Air Regional Jet (CRJ-100) with 50 economy class seat configuration.
That's not going to get them very far compared to the competition. They should just cancel the service altogether instead of doing it this way. I have been very impressed with Harmony until now!
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 972 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting Markabcan (Reply 23): That's not going to get them very far compared to the competition. They should just cancel the service altogether instead of doing it this way. I have been very impressed with Harmony until now!
So just because they decided to use CRJs on this route you've lost your good impression of them? What is your reasoning for it? I think its a good start to feed connections to Asia. I mean sure beats using their 75s when they can be using them somewhere else.
25 DFORCE1: I don't really understand why they're launching the YVR-YYC service? Is it to feed flights to Asia? They don't even have them started yet. I think the
26 DFORCE1: I don't see any CRJ's listed on the fleet page of Voyageur Airways http://www.voyageurairways.com/aircharterpage.htm
27 Humberside: The idea is to feed Asian flights of other carriers they codeshare with.
28 Fly2YYZ: Like they do with their YYZ-YVR flights, they are feeding their Asian flights. JFK/LAX could do the same. And that is the same idea with YYC. When I
29 DFORCE1: But what Asian flights?! They haven't even announced any code share partnerships much less any Asian flights of their own. If anything, this YYC-YVR
30 Stirling: Aggregate numbers I believe there is...the numbers are dispersed amongst a few carriers. Now if these guys at Harmony thought outside the box....they
31 SkydrolBoy: Hope this answers your question Harmony Airways introduces Calgary - Asia Pacific link Vancouver, BC, February 8, 2006: Vancouver-based Harmony Airwa
32 C3000flyboy: Answers Re: Harmony / Voyageur YYC Service There were recent HQ f/a interviews and during the process candidates were asked if they would be intereste
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