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EK's Lowest Yielding Routes  
User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

I have always wondered that since EK has configured most of thier airplanes to hold a lot of passengers, which routes that EK operates is the LOWEST yieldingor lowest loads...i know that they probably wouldn't enter a market expecting a very low yeild...

[Edited 2006-05-01 00:30:51]

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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Ex-CMB is traditionally low-yielding.


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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

From what I've read here, any of the trans-Tasman (ie Australia to New Zealand) sectors are pretty empty well, at least in the pax cabin.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 1):
Ex-CMB is traditionally low-yielding.

I thought that was generally only to destinations east of CMB (particularly the U.S. west coast), not westbound, where EK would be flying.



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 2):
any of the trans-Tasman (ie Australia to New Zealand) sectors are pretty empty well, at least in the pax cabin

Apparently they have been averaging 57% Australia-AKL, 48% AKL-Australia
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ry/0,20867,18818050-23349,00.html.
My last 4 EK Tasman trips have been 95% full. My last NZ flight had more spare seats than EK. NZ and QF also have a big problem filling seats. Though they blame EK, it is actually because they don't want to give up frequency to their only major rival (QF/NZ). NZ and QF have applied recently to code-share the Tasman, which will reduce the number of seats on the route without their primary opposition gaining market share. Fewer seats available will of course improve loadings on EK as well as QF and NZ.
The Tasman is a very tough route for any new airline, given the entrenched status of QF and NZ that between them have had the piece of water almost to themselves for 50 years. Many try it for a while and leave. EK has a long-term vision and is strong enough to do what new companies in an established market need to do: gradually build up their name, good-will and brand-loyalty. The local duopoly (QF/JQ and NZ still have 80+% of all Tasman traffic, a situation not likely to change much for the foreseeable future), but EK are establishing themselves, and offering a more than able alternative to the traditional local airlines. Their passenger loadings are only going to get better.Those loadings are on top of a very succesful freight business.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

KHI though profitable is low yielding as one can make out with the very cheap fares they have on that route. In peak season loads are in the 75% range on average and in the off season 40-60% max due to them flying 4 daily A 332s/B 773s/B 772s combinations.

I would put MCT, DOH, BAH, KWI, CMB & AMM too as part of that list due to the excessive number of seats offered per week to these cities from DXB nonstop!


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
AMM

AMM is served only 10x weekly on A330-200s. It's not that much.

Also, it is served by 3-class A330-200s and not the 2-class A330-200s, so I imagine yields are pretty good.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
KHI though profitable is low yielding as one can make out with the very cheap fares they have on that route. In peak season loads are in the 75% range on average and in the off season 40-60% max due to them flying 4 daily A 332s/B 773s/B 772s combinations.

having flown DXB-KHI-DXB over a dozen times on EK (both economy and business class), I feel I can give some insights on that route...

...on average your numbers might be correct.....however, it varies quite a bit on both off and on season...

last fall....I flew DXB-KHI and the flight was basically completely empty (they did delay the flight however to add cargo)...



however, on my return DXB-KHI flight about 10 days later, there was only one seat empty.........

I've seen this happen during both peak and non-peak season.....

also, given many are migrant Pakistani workers going to and back from Karachi to DXB..I expect those yields to not be to high either..not to mention the competition from ED (AirBlue) and PK...

on a side note, I once flew from AMS-KHI on KL with about the same amount of pax on a 747-200...talk about having the plane to oneself... spin 



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 936 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

EK's average network passenger loading for the past year is just about identical to QF and NZ (just under 76%), spread over a much wider and more ambitious network. EK's break-even loading is under 61%. The things that matter are in a bigger picture than specific individual days and individual routes: it is the health of the network as a whole, over time. Some routes are only marginal in relation to themselves, but have a different significance in relation to the whole - they are tributaries to the wider river - all together they provide a very good flow. Tributaries can also themselves become rivers, given sufficient time to grow.

[Edited 2006-05-01 03:31:18]

[Edited 2006-05-01 03:32:21]

User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Dubai-Sana'a... the route has never been profitable and is flown for political purposes.

User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
I would put MCT, DOH, BAH, KWI, CMB & AMM too as part of that list due to the excessive number of seats offered per week to these cities from DXB nonstop!

The morning flight DXB-BAH, and the evening flight BAH-DXB are always full from my experiences with them.


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 10):
The morning flight DXB-BAH, and the evening flight BAH-DXB are always full from my experiences with them.

And the cargo holds are full too



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting Eta unknown (Reply 9):
Dubai-Sana'a... the route has never been profitable and is flown for political purposes.

Why is this?


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

I would have thought the DXB-LCA-MLA-DXB flights would be a sure candidate.

User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

What about SYD-CHC-SYD must be up there


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
I would put MCT, DOH, BAH, KWI, CMB & AMM too as part of that list due to the excessive number of seats offered per week to these cities from DXB nonstop!

DOH? Would disagree on that one, a friend was stuck there because EK flights were full?



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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 13):
I would have thought the DXB-LCA-MLA-DXB flights would be a sure candidate.

I've recently flown the route: DXB-LCA had just one seat empty in either J or F (can't remember now) and it was 100% full on the way back, LCA-DXB. This happens quite often.

To the best of my knowledge, LCA-MLA-LCA has never been full, but this route started just last October. On top of that, MLA is a very seasonal destination. Having said that, laods between LCA and MLA for summer are looking very very good already.


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