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Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

The Asian expansion at Los Angeles continues, Thai increases LAX from 4 to 6. ALso LHR, FRA, and CDG to see expansion from Thai.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-04-28-thai-growth_x.htm

(sorry if this has been posted before, did a search did not find anything)

60 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

Thanks Juventus  Smile

Good news for TG, intresting that the article said TG are to buy new planes to increase JFK services again! Hopefuly more 345's  Smile

I wonder what they will do to increase FRA, CDG and LHR services, hopefuly add another daily/3x weekly flight into LHR and FRA  Smile

Does anyone know if TG are intrested in the 747-8 to replace the 744's?

When will they receive their first 777-200ER!

TG are also intrested in starting services to OSL, Berlin (probaly TXL) and MAN  Smile

Hopefuly they can make MAN work, especialy now after MH is leaving  Smile

Any news of fleet developments of Nok Air, I've heard recently that TG are looking at adding 737NG's or A32S's to the LCC?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

I highly doubt they will buy 747-8s , having already ordered A380s.
TG is one of a few Asian airlines not to have made their selection between the 787 and A350 , and probably will buy one of these types in a short future.
Why ordering another type (747-8) in a fleet which is quite already overcrowded (744 , 777 , 330 , 345 , 346 , ATR , 737 with Nokair , A380 to come and potentially 787 or 350) , for only a few examples?
This will be a non sense , even if it's the TG philosophy to buy nearly all plane types.


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

How about AMS?
Wasn't there talk that TG would start a AMS service this summer?


User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Thai has announced their start up at Oslo (OSL) some years ago, but stopped the process just before launching the service.
I'm pretty sure that such a service would be a success. So far the numbers of flights from Stockholm and Copenhagen have increased by Thai.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
Why ordering another type (747-8) in a fleet which is quite already overcrowded (744 , 777 , 330 , 345 , 346 , ATR , 737 with Nokair , A380 to come and potentially 787 or 350) , for only a few examples?
This will be a non sense , even if it's the TG philosophy to buy nearly all plane types.

You forgot about the MD-11. And Thai airways them selves do operate quite a few 737s.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7251 times:

I wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7231 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
You forgot about the MD-11. And Thai airways them selves do operate quite a few 737s.

As of today (01 May) all MD-11's have been removed from service by Thai.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7212 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 3):
How about AMS?

I know, what happened to AMS?

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

I think its SQ with flights:

LAX-SIN
LAX-TPE
LAX-NRT

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7173 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

I think its SQ with flights:

LAX-SIN
LAX-TPE
LAX-NRT

Well, actually SQ's flights are with 747, 777, and A340-500.

The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7159 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
When will they receive their first 777-200ER!

I think delivery of the first aircraft is in August, as the B772ER is due to commence MEL ops on 1 September, replacing the A346 currently operating the sector.


User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7139 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if TG will put less seats into their 772ERs, and operate them non-stop BKK-LAX.
I remember for a while, SQ did that in their 772ERs, however a tech stop was neccessary in TPE for the LAX-SIN sector most of the time, but since BKK is closer to LAX than SIN, they should be able to make it non-stop both ways, in a perhaps 270 seats 3 class configuration. That would free up the A345s, to expand in EWR.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Any news on the proposed boost on the BKK-JFK route?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
I wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

Thai doesn't even come close. They now have 6 A345s per day, which is still less service than before when 744s came daily.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.

Actually, it is currently KE:

2x 744 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-NRT-SEL



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They now have 6 A345s per day

You mean 6 per week?


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.

Actually, it is currently KE:

2x 744 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-NRT-SEL

Oh right, forgot about them.

So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

^any errors?


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

What about Vietnam, are they still flying to LAX?


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
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I don't VN has served LAX yet. I thought VN's first US city was supposed to be SFO.

User currently offlineChulalongkorn From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6851 times:

Why doesn't TG have service out of SFO? And if they did, might they consider an SFO-BKK nonstop?

Thanks!



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
TG is one of a few Asian airlines not to have made their selection between the 787 and A350

Not really a few. There are still CX, PR, TG, MH, SQ, BI, BR*forgive me if they have already ordered 787's*.

[Edited 2006-05-02 07:22:32]

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 11):
wouldn't be surprised if TG will put less seats into their 772ERs

Config has already been announced.

30 J and 262 Y = 292 seats


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Thai increases LAX from 4 to 6.

Good to see their non-stops are doing well. It's a great flight on a very comfortable aircraft. I presume they have some more 345s or 772LRs up their sleeve to add additional non-stops to LAX? I hope they time their flights better to connect with services from India.



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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):

TG are also intrested in starting services to OSL, Berlin (probaly TXL) and MAN

Why not HEL? If HEL-BKK is so profitable route for AY - why not for TG then? HEL's gegraphical situation with the shortest distance from Europe to Asia is so often mentioned by AY - how come nobody else than AY have "noticed" this?

If, lets say TG or SQ would start using HEL, they could use other Star Alliance partners' (LH, KF, SK, OS) feeding the connecting passengers.

But nobody seems to be interested - and AY has the monopoly ...

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 14):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They now have 6 A345s per day

You mean 6 per week?

Yep, typo, thanks

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

Actually, BR is ahead of both SQ and JL at this point with their 2 744s and 1 74E. Remember, JL is dropping LAX-KIX and the second LAX-NRT which used to tag to LAS and will only have 1x LAX-NRT per day. CI has 2 744s per day, while MU's 1 A346 definately doesn't put them above Asiana's 10x per week or so to SEL. Also, PR alternates 2x A343s and 1x 744, so it has TG, MH and others up there beat.

Quoting Chulalongkorn (Reply 18):
Why doesn't TG have service out of SFO? And if they did, might they consider an SFO-BKK nonstop?

The Thai population in LAX is massive and TG caters a lot to VFR traffic

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 22):
Why not HEL? If HEL-BKK is so profitable route for AY - why not for TG then? HEL's gegraphical situation with the shortest distance from Europe to Asia is so often mentioned by AY - how come nobody else than AY have "noticed" this?

It is AY's hub. Why connect up to partners who may or may not (in the case of BD, Spanair and others) serve the airport. AY can market both to the local Finnish traffic as well as to Euro connectors, and it is a 1 airline ride.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
Config has already been announced.

30 J and 262 Y = 292 seats

I thought you had said earlier that they would seat 292 in 3 classes. Oh well 2 class makes alot more sense anyway with the A346's being 3 class!

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I think delivery of the first aircraft is in August, as the B772ER is due to commence MEL ops on 1 September, replacing the A346 currently operating the sector.

Thats not listed anymore, the only flight I can find is JNB with the 772ER. MEL looks to carry on with the A346 according to the current schedules.

Why would they drop First off that MEL flight anyway? I thought they would make that a daily A346 which gives the evening connections to Europe daily. Delink SYD and put a 772ER of a BKK-MEL-BKK evening service operating 3-4 days a week.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
I presume they have some more 345s or 772LRs up their sleeve to add additional non-stops to LAX?

They currently have 3 with 1 more A345 on order!

Interesting with CDG that TG were 10 weekly there and reduced back to 7. I guess that non stops to MAD will be 2 class 772ER's? And probably either more 744's or A346's to LHR, FRA and CDG?! What about making MUC daily with a smaller A346?


25 Kaitak744 : I see, thanks for the corrections. By the way, Asiana sends 747-400Ms to LAX. So, China Eastern does beat them with their full pax A340-600. Correcte
26 6thfreedom : nope, it's 2 class as far as i know. given that it's flat bed business, i think it makes good sense. You know what TG is like. look out for the sept
27 6thfreedom : Adding to the above..... If I were TG, I would increase services to MEL and SYD to triple daily. Would operate B772ER on all services to reduce crewin
28 Post contains images N1120A : On the days OZ goes 2x per day, they send a 772ER and a 744 non-combi or a 74M depending. They still beat MU's 1x A346. Further, NH sends a mix of 74
29 Post contains links and images Kaitak744 : got it right here. ANA, until October at least, has the 1x daily 777-300ER as usual. And, I figure A346 and 77W about the same capacity, but one can
30 ZK-NBT : Good to hear for MEL, hopefully its true. As for SYD yes 4am into BKK is not ideal. What about if they go for a morning flight ex SYD aswell as the a
31 6thfreedom : Not ideal, as connections are limited. A 6-7am arrival in BKK is perfect for onward connections to SE Asia as well as NE asian ports. It also provide
32 Post contains images RedChili : Why not? Thai has operated almost every widebody made by a western airframe manufacturer: DC10, MD11, B747, B777, A300, A310, A330, A340. The only ty
33 ZK-NBT : Well ok but would you rather have a 4am arrival or lets make it 4pm rather than 1430. It seems that it is one or the other.
34 Laxintl : This is how the Far-East carriers stacked up in 2005, according to passengers carrried; Korean - 723,061 Japan - 541,900 Cathay - 511,675 China - 474
35 Himmat01 : What about AI?
36 Laxintl : Air India is not from the Far-East and such not listed. However its 2005, LAX passenger volume was 142,451.
37 Nimish : Slightly off-topic - but is this mainly O&D traffic (Business or VFR), or is it a lot of connecting traffic. If connecting - where to from SEL?
38 Laxintl : I would say a significant portion is VFR as Los Angeles host the largest Korean-American community in the US. But indeed there is decent business dem
39 Fuffla : The only problem i see with this is the lack of First Class. Even if it were for one flight a day, there is a first class demand in Sydney and Melbou
40 Jfr : You are absolutely correct, FCKC, TG is in the habit of buying everything, and will continue to do so as long as they are government controlled. They
41 Post contains images CityAirline : When Philippine gets more aircraft, watch out!!, since those 318 185 will be up in at least 500 000. Filipinos are the most common asians in LA (700
42 ZK-NBT : Really. As for your numbers, you even wrote that PR have 9 weekly flights and CX have 21 so how do you come to the conclusion that PR or CX fly half
43 CHRISBA777ER : Any chance of us getting the TG A346 at LHR anytime soon?
44 ZK-NBT : I was wondering what aircraft will operate these extra services? I think the A346's are fairly busy with AKL, MEL and ZRH mainly. I'd guess these ext
45 6thfreedom : As I have mentioned in other posts, I would expect TG to bring the B772ER onto MEL?. How big is the LHR-BKK corporate market? can it sustain 60 J and
46 Post contains images CityAirline : Well, PR offers 3500 seats every week each way to MNL (7x430=3010 + 2x260=520, thats about 3500), and in one year they had 300 000 here. CX offers 80
47 ZK-NBT : I don't get it. 3500 seats a week equals 182000 seats a year each way. 8000 seats a weeks equals 416000 seats a year each way. I think those numbers
48 Trex8 : if they haven't already started. CI are going to 16 744 flights a week to LAX for the summer schedule
49 CityAirline : No, I just mean, compare the number of seats offered with the numbers of pax carried. PR has must have much higher loads than CX on this route. But i
50 RedChili : This means that PR has 182,000 x 2 = 364,000 seats in total, and since they have 318,185 passengers, it means that they have a load factor of 87.4 pe
51 Post contains images CityAirline : exactly
52 ZK-NBT : Ah ic makes a bit more sense now. Thats a rather low load factor for CX, but I am guessing that at 15.5 hours on the return LAX-HKG leg that their 74
53 Juventus : Good point.....
54 N1120A : LAX-HKG is well within the unrestricted range of the 744. Also, your numbers are off. Yearly passenger seats offered is 376740 in each direction at 3
55 ZK-NBT : Really? This route is 15+ hours and you say unrestricted on a 744. LAX-MEL is a little longer than LAX-HKG and sometimes QF are a little weight restr
56 N1120A : LAX-HKG is 198nm shorter than LAX-SYD, which is only part of the time restricted with the 744A (much like the 744ER is on LAX-MEL) Yes it does.
57 ZK-NBT : Ah ok thanks for clearing that up!
58 Planemanofnz : LA, EK, TG, SQ, KE and TN operate F class out of AKL year-round with MH operating it seasonally so I think this market is pretty much covered, especi
59 ZK-NBT : KE don't offer F ex AKL. SQ do really well up front! Not sure on the others but yes they do offer F. I agree but TG should be looking to attract more
60 Post contains images CityAirline : Ok, so they were 2xdaily until august last year. Good to know. Glad we solved this one out. I read about PR planing on buying more 340's, and most pe
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