Highpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19837 times:
I've just noticed that Delta are changing to a 767-200 for their MAN-ATL flights for the summer (DL64/65) . Do they have many 767-200's left and are they used on other long haul routes?
Chris
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Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19830 times:
I thought all their 762s had now left the fleet?
Although Amadeus does show:
Delta Air Lines
DL 65
Manchester Int'l (MAN), Manchester, United Kingdom
Terminal 2 11:55
William B Hartsfield (ATL), Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Terminal S 16:05
Non-stop
762 9h10min Daily
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Highpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19812 times:
You're quick off the mark!
I was looking at www.delta.com at prices for July and saw this and thought it was a mistake, but checked the seats available and the seat map definately said 767-200 , and the layout is shorter than the 767-300 so I presume its right.
Chris
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RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19759 times:
There is an internal notation for DL's 767s
767 is the 763ER
763 is the domestic 763 not ER
762 are the ex-gulf air 763ERs
SR
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4658 posts, RR: 45 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19759 times:
Are the ex Gulf-Air 3P6s and the ex Continental(NTU) -324 configured the same?
Looking again at the seat plan this does seem the most likely explanation as there is an exit door shown at the back of the business class section. It is confusing though as the seats available map has a heading marked 767-200, although when you check against the seat plan section, it doesn't actually correspond with any of the diagrams shown there.
Chris
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A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19570 times:
Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 3): There is an internal notation for DL's 767s
767 is the 763ER
763 is the domestic 763 not ER
762 are the ex-gulf air 763ERs
OK, so what used to be the 767-200 ? And I asked about the 767-400ER because I, like Scott0305, couldn't believe that belive that DL calls its aircraft in such a confusing, maybe even stupid way.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19470 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 10): OK, so what used to be the 767-200 ?
767, simple as that.
Quoting A342 (Reply 10): And I asked about the 767-400ER because I, like Scott0305, couldn't believe that belive that DL calls its aircraft in such a confusing, maybe even stupid way.
You mean like CO calls their BizE-configured 757-200s 756s?
Might appear stupid, but it certainly makes it easier for a customer to tell what plane to expect. BizE yes or no, how many rows, that was often just a guess when 763 was the code for all of those flights. With 763, 762 and 767 it is clearer now.
Ok, so which is it to be? 767 = 763ER or 767-200? Of course, I'm aware the 767-200 is no more at DL. But whilst it was there, what was it's 'internal' designator?
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11): You mean like CO calls their BizE-configured 757-200s 756s?
Might appear stupid, but it certainly makes it easier for a customer to tell what plane to expect. BizE yes or no, how many rows, that was often just a guess when 763 was the code for all of those flights. With 763, 762 and 767 it is clearer now.
Maybe for a frequent traveller with the particular airline, but for everyone else it's confusing.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19399 times:
Let's make it veeeery easy to understand:
The 767-200 is gone from DL's fleet, so the 3-letter codes "762" and "767" are officially free.
Now, DL had the problem that travellers were often unsure as to what kind of "763" they were on. Would the get a domestic 767-300? Would they get one of DL's own 767-300ERs? Or perhaps one of the differently configured 767-300ERs formerly operated by Gulf Air?
Realising this, DL came to the conclusion that the best way to assure pax of what plane they would be on was to have different 3-letter codes for the different models. So the new lettering was introduced:
The 767-300 got to stay as the "763", as it is the baseline model of the family.
The ex-GF 767-300ERs got the code "762", and DL's own 767-300ERs have been assigned the code "767".
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20 Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19372 times:
Couple things,
Our internal designations are not very confusing, here are relevant 757 codes:
757: Domestic 757-200 configuration (24/159, on the way out)
75B: BusinessFirst 757-200 (16/156, no winglets)
75L: 757-300
75E: BusinessFirst 757-200 (16/156, soon to be 16/159, winglets)
There is no '756', correct me if I'm wrong, but that may be a Northwest designation.
BusinessElite is a Delta product, BusinessFirst is the correct Continental terminology, but nobody else really gives a shit, so neither do I.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5770 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19352 times:
I wonder, will Delta come up with a new code for the five 767-400ERs that will be configured with BusinessElite?
The Pink Delta 767-400ER - The most beautiful aircraft in the sky
RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 19188 times:
Most people don't look in the schedules. DL.com posts the flights as 767-300 anyway. A lot of people don't know an A330 from a 767 so it's no big deal. For the people who do notice, they should know the difference. Not confusing at all.
SR
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19107 times:
Ok, even better, go look up the flight status for DL 65 on delta.com ...
Quote: Flight Status
Flight 65
Departing City (Airport) Manchester (Manchester)
Departure Gate G1 (MAN)
Carrier Delta
Equipment Type Boeing 767-200
Arriving City (Airport) Atlanta (Hartsfield Atlanta Intl)
Arriving Gate E31 (ATL)
Flight Distance (miles) 4086
If that doesn't start confusing people, I don't know what else could do better ...
(Maybe one of you DL folks can let the website folks know about this?)
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19076 times:
Flight DL65 operating from MAN to ATL is a Boeing 767-300ER...it is not the usual one....it seats 30/170 instead of 36/163. Thats why it says 762, because it is a 767-300ER configured differently!
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19058 times:
Sure it's a 767-300 ... and if you look at the seating chart, it's a 767-300.
However, the confusion is, as I pasted above, dl.com is listing the airplane type specifically as a "767-200".
They just need to update the website html for the equipment type to reflect the change from a 767-200 to 767-300 for the "762" and "767" equipment codes.
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19032 times:
While not related to this specific instance, when DL operated 762's out of the FRA hub in the mid 90's, did they operate scheduled service across the Atlantic with them? Or were they purely intra-Europe?
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18974 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 18): Why are they doing this? Why can't they just say, 763ER (ex-Gulf Air) or 763ER or 763 domestic. This is crazy......
Because flight schedules require 3-letter codes, nothing more, nothing less.
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 23): While not related to this specific instance, when DL operated 762's out of the FRA hub in the mid 90's, did they operate scheduled service across the Atlantic with them? Or were they purely intra-Europe?
Just intra-Europe, considering the non-ER 767-200 doesn't have transatlantic range, particularly not from FRA.
25 DeltaGator: No, most people don't know what they are flying on. Only geeks like us and frequent travellers would see a difference. All the 764s in the fleet are
26 Scott0305: All I'm saying is why can't they use a different 3 letter code and not one that is an industry standard for a different aircraft? I agree that most p
27 DeltaGator: That's the airlines for you I suppose. I would hazard a guess that there is only a field for 3 numbers in the reservation system for plane code. I hav
28 Milesrich: Delta's 767-232's were never ETOPS qualified, and were operated in Domestic Service only, never trans Atlantic.
29 DeltaMIA: They were operated intra-Europe in the early-mid 1990's. DL needed additional capacity out of the FRA hub and sent a few over.
30 Teixeim: SO, what's the difference with the 767-300ERs DL acquired from Gulf Air?
31 FlyDeltaJets: The Gulf Air 767's have three full sized exit doors, and they have 1600 series ship numbers and they have a little less seats.
32 NorthstarBoy: they also carry 1500 ship numbers, my one 767-3P6 was ship 1506 as for the confusion issue, the system is to blame. the system is programmed to under
33 DL1011: "The Gulf Air 767's have three full sized exit doors, and they have 1600 series ship numbers and they have a little less seats." The Gulf Air 767's ar
35 RobertS975: For whatever reason, I do not believe that the ex-Gulf Air 767s have overhead air vents... you don't miss them till you don't have them!
36 Litz: The ex-ATA (I think) 757s are like that ... I don't do well on airplanes without that air blowing on me; it wasn't all that fun for a PHX-ATL run w/ou
37 Bond007: That's the point exactly Call it 75A, 75X whatever. Jimbo
38 DeltaGuy: And no air conditioning vents overhead. Very much hated by us hot-natured folks. Well, since everyone is confused as to aircraft codes, why don't we
39 Litz: And, of course, 73G to most of the rest of the world is a 737-700 ... (this stuff is like trying to interpret Greek spoken with a southeast US accent
40 DeltaGuy: LOL Won't argue with you there. And to think, this all started with someone asking if DL still flew 762's across the Pond. LOL
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