Jgiardin From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 45 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
Is AA's aircraft livery white or silver? I mean, I know that currently the majority are silver, but the new 777 is white, and I have seen some other white AA planes (not including American Eagle).
Is it that they are chaning them from silver to white, and are still in the process? Personally, I like silver better. I think that silver aircraft have that retro "DC3" look to them.
767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
To my knowledge i didnt know that AA's777's were white. But i do know that when AA took over Reno Air they just put the Red, White and Blue stripes over the white fueselage. I dont think that they are changing to White from silver but i could be wrong.
Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1428 times:
AA's 777s are definitely NOT white. To paint the pride of AA's fleet would be the ultimate insult to AA folks.
Bare metal is a tradition at AA dating back to the Ford Tri-Motor. The eagle logo goes back to the very beginning. When the current scheme came out in late 1968, the original version omitted the eagle between the As on the tail. AA employees were outraged and the eagle was added. They would really be ticked off if AA decided to paint the fleet white.
The Reno birds will gradually be stripped and polished as they go in for heavy maintenance.
NebFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
I love the shiny, bare-metal look of American planes...sort of the "retro" look that someone mentioned. However, what kind of coating do they use on American planes to keep it shiny and "looking new"? I would think the bare aluminum would corrode and look ugly very quickly if it didn't have a coating. I would assume the coating is similar to clearcoat on a car, but I don't know. Any answers out there?
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1361 times:
I dont know much about American, but I do know this. American will NOT strip the 80's acquired from Reno Air. They are retiring this fleet in favor of the 738. Even if they were to keep them for a while, they wouldnt strip them. This being the same reason Delta currently has three paint schemes, why paint a plane when you plan on retiring it shortly?
Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
In a recent press release AA states that the Reno Air MD-90 & 80's are being traded in on the 20 B-757's ordered in June or July. They will soon be sripped allright, and for sale to someone else.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 3762 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1334 times:
All ex-Reno aircraft will be gone from the fleet soon. The MD87 and MD90 do not fit into American's fleet.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3342 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
All mainline AA aircraft are bare metal with decals. Grey paint (AA calls it Boeing Grey) is used where the skin panels are not metal or not matched and polished aluminum (A300's). The bare metal is not treated or coated... it is polished.
All ex-Reno aircraft are white due to their being annodized by Reno as required by their owners. They can not be stripped, but would require replacement of the skin panels. AA will not do this as the cost is too great and AA will retire the aircraft from its fleet as the lease payments are 2-3 times (and more) higher than what AA normally pays for MD80 leases.
MD90s will be first to go. Boeing is advertising R01 and R02 as being available for lease 2Q next year, R03-R05 available 3Q next year. MD87s will follow shortly thereafter. Have not seen any schedule for remainder of ex-Reno aircraft to date.
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RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7560 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
I believe that American Airlines worked with Alcoa to develop that "shiny metal" skin using a low-corrosion aluminum alloy. The first major application of that was the 707 "Astrojets" that were delivered in 1959.
It is truly a unique livery (especially since Eastern Airlines went out of business), and AA will keep it for the foreseeable future.
Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
Thanks to all for clarifying the status of the Reno fleet. I knew the -87s and -90s weren't going to be around long, but I'd heard that the rest of the Reno MD-80s were going to be with AA for a few more years.
Interesting about the anodized skin. I assumed that the Reno a/c could be done in bare metal like the ex-BN 727s were.
Bobo2196 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
AA is retiring ALL of their MD-80 fleet, or just the aircraft absorbed from Reno Air?? If they are retiring all those super 80's, man, theyve got a long way to go, and will have alot of 738s when theyre done!
Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
TO BOBO2196..No, just the aircraft from Reno air. The 259 AA spec'd a/c will be in the fleet for some time to come. All the 727-223's will be replaced by 738's first. I believe there are about 75 or so of the 727's left in the schedule. By the time those are gone the first MD-80's from the early 1980's will be ready for retirement after probably close to a solid 25 or so years of service. Looks like a long program of Boeings arriving at AA for a while to me!
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36432 posts, RR: 86 Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
American Airlines exposed metal is in my opinion, the most beautiful aircraft in the sky. I've seen one of those white MD-80s at John Wayne earlier this year. It was very ugly! It seems like a lot of Airline companies are hopping on the all white fusalage band-wagon. It just looks so boring and its harder to distinguish between the different carriers unless you're right in front of it.
American Airlines on the other hand stands out in a good way.
My favorite American Airline jets still in service is there DC-10, MD-11, and Boeing 727.
I think it was crime when American Airlines dumped there 747!
There 707s were beautiful too!
Blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5359 posts, RR: 22 Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1253 times:
I think AA should redo the cheatlines and maybe the tail but the aluminum is one of what i think is the best livery around. Plus it is a "legacy" for AA,they have had the aluminum since the tri-motors and with all the white paint these days,AAer's are easy to spot!
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AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3342 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
>...I'd heard that the rest of the Reno MD-80s were going to be
>with AA for a few more years.
Exact timing is still not been determined, but they will be retired from AA's fleet sooner rather than later. There are some severe financial penalties for early lease termination (standard for small, upstart airline leases).
>AA is retiring ALL of their MD-80 fleet, or just the aircraft
>absorbed from Reno Air??
Eventually all MD80s will go, but that's way, way, way out in the future.
>I do know that it is very difficult to get the polished silver
>effect on composite components - that is why you see some
>parts showing grey instead.
It is impossible to polish a composite structure. You can paint the surface and polish the paint, but you can not polish the composite structure itself. AA has repeatedly tested different silver paints, but to date nothing has met AA's standards (whatever they are).
>Most of AAS A300s have this grey look...
The week after AA announced the DC10s would be retired AA issued a (mostly unnoticed) press release stating its A300s would be changing to polished aluminum skin panels to match the rest of its fleet and that Airbus was paying the parts and labor costs to reskin the A300s. Totally unrelated to DC10 retirement decision of course.... yeah, sure.
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DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1591 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Hey AAR.... Is the stripe now a decal? I remember when DL overhauled six AA 727's a few years back, we painted the stripe and put the "American" decal on the fuselage and the "AA" decal on the tail.
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