Nwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3075 times:
Years ago, I used to enjoy Mesaba and their SAABS -- now, it's constant delays, issues, at DTW, the gate attendant can't even manage the jet bridge in less than 20 minutes. There are multiple issues here -- obviously, employee morale is one, but employee training, corporate management, have their share of the blame too. I feel for some of the old time employees, and wish them well, but I see no reason for Mesaba to continue until and unless it re-thinks it's ways
Xjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2436 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 1): Years ago, I used to enjoy Mesaba and their SAABS -- now, it's constant delays, issues, at DTW, the gate attendant can't even manage the jet bridge in less than 20 minutes.
I haven't had any problems with any agents in DTW. ANd the only delays that I have experienced with XJ were wx delays, and Mesaba doesn't have control of the weather. Keep in mind I am aware of the mx issues that occur, but that will happen with an increasing fleet age.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3629 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
Morale may be at an all time low, but as employees we are doing the best we can with the tools we've been given. I think it is a testament to the dedicated and hard working employees that we've taken the high road in this issue. Something we can't say for mgmt.
The picture will be clearer shortly for Mesaba... especially since the NWA pilots just ratified their concessionary agreement.
Ca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 943 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
Quoting Nwab787techops (Reply 2): We have seen this with other airlines feed airlines like CO(Express Jet) and DL (Comair).I would like to see NWA put other feed airlines like Chautauqua. DL and CO are and are going to use them.
That will happen once NWA gets Chautauqua under their complete control. NWA only wants regionals that they have total control over, that's why you'll never see Mesa operate for NW. Steenland hates JO.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3629 posts, RR: 29 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2774 times:
Not to mention the fact NWA owns LARGE stakes in both their Airlink companies. It's all a shell game that screams EASTERN and LORENZO. Mesaba and Pinnacle might as well be wholly owned... NWA treats them that way.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3947 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6): That will happen once NWA gets Chautauqua under their complete control. NWA only wants regionals that they have total control over, that's why you'll never see Mesa operate for NW. Steenland hates JO.
If thats the case, then why did NW start using Business Express years ago as a feeder partner? I know that airline went under, but still.
And I don't know if they can maintain total control over Pinnacle or Mesaba. Comair has major issues right now, and Pinnacle could end up with some of that flying if this continues. NW also still has an RFP out, and several airlines, including Air Wisconsin, have bid on the flying, and remember that Air Wisconsin has ties to NW, since Geoff Crowley, was the one who got the NW and KL agreement in place. And that has worked wonders for both carriers.
Funny how Steenland hates JO. The two run their respective carriers using very similar styles. But if thats true, then ZW might have a chance at getting some flying, especially since their Appleton HQ is perfectly located for the network that NW would fly, and ZW hasn't given up the hangar yet because they want to see if we get any of this flying. I am not sure a lot of the ZW employees would be happy with NW flying, but it could happen.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3629 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
Business Express was only a code share partner, much like Eagle in LAX or AS in SEA or HA in HNL. They're not airlink partners, as Mesaba and Pinnacle are. NWA owns a large chunk of MAIR Holdings, the parent company of Mesaba Aviation. NWA also owns a portion on PNCL Holdings, the parent company of Pinnacle Airlines. Our success is NWAs success. Much of the RPF hoohaa can be attributed to something called WHIPSAW.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
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Quoting Highguy76 (Reply 13): This has got to be making all of those "If you don't like what's happening in the airline industry, just quit your job" free market fanatics beam with joy.
Your requests are being granted en masse.
Yes, exactly. So what? This is an industry that is not making any money. There ARE other industries that ARE making money. Just because YOU want to do something doesn't mean that there is any money in that field. It's called life. I would like to be a professional breakdancer, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to make any money or find a suitable job. And, no, this isn't the first industry that has lost jobs due to some kind of underlying economic problem, or in our case, oversupply of product (which leads to bringing in an oversupply of workers to provide said product).
Quoting Highguy76 (Reply 13): The world (and the US in particular) is a much more dismal place. Perhaps better off for a few, economicaly, but more dismal for most of us, nonetheless.
You can either act like the world is ending and cry about it or you can find a more fruitful job in an industry that makes money. Your choice. I assume that since you have access to a computer that you probably don't live in the street, begging for food or live in some war-torn place. That is dismal. Having to find a different job is difficult or unpleasant, not dismal.
I personally am glad to see an exodus of my former brethren at XJ, and in the airline industry in general. There is neither room for many people or management who really care about the people they are losing. When even the management, the captains of the ship, decide to jump ship like a bunch of gutless cowards, it's time for the workers to find a lifeboat too. A lot of people I worked with there were work-a-holics who really should have done something less stressful and more productive (read: pays better and more opportunities). The airlines didn't deserve to have people who kept taking a beating for their problems. What are non-rev benefits really worth when you don't have the money or time to travel? What is even more of an insult is to see what it actually costs to travel to some destinations, with a POSITIVE SPACE SEAT!
The airline business is in rough shape now. So I think I am soon going to pursue employment in more profitable sectors. Then when things are hot again (they will be, they have been many times in the past), I'll be back.
This used to be really fun. I used to be excited to go to work, deal with airplanes, plan trips, be around other airplane enthusiasts. I used to be excited to share my experiences on here. It's just not here anymore.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
Quoting Nwab787techops (Reply 2): We have seen this with other airlines feed airlines like CO(Express Jet)
What are you talking about? Expressjet has a consistent 99.9% controllable completion factor for Continental. Their on time performance is often better than mainline CAL (and yes, they have ACARS so no cheating). Explain to me how you expect better service from chautauqua?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7179 posts, RR: 29 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Quoting Nwab787techops (Reply 16): CO needed to look and hire another airline to do Express Jet's job. That explains it self.
Its all about costs. Its not service level or completion fact. Let's face it, for the most part there is very little differentiation between most of the regionals in this area, at least from most passenger's perspectives. Most of the operational issues are a direct result of the mainline carriers operations or substandard airport facilities. Regionals have always played second fiddle to mainline in terms of operational priority. Most passengers are not going to notice the difference between a 99.9% and 98.8% completion factor.
I really feel bad for the lifers at Mesaba. Granted the DTW ground staff must have about a 200% annual turnover, many of the people at the XJ outstations had been there since the 80's and early 90's. These people loved there jobs, and in many of these smaller communities it was a great opportunity with good benefits. Time will tell what XJ and 9E will look like in the future. My bet is that they will still be around in one shape or form.