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User currently offlineWnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Rumor...The talk around SNA is that UsAirways is looking at dropping 1 LAS r/t and 1 PHX r/t...and adding 1 SNA-HNL and 1 SNA-OGG Daily 757-200 to take on Alohaair.....wnsocal


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

When do they plan on adding a PHL-SNA flight or possibly a CLT-SNA flights?

Jeremy


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

The America West portion of US Airways always had a soft feeling for SNA so to speak. At one time it was the only city outside of Phoenix and Las Vegas to have a point to point (Sacramento). In addition the notion that SNA needs a additional airline to HNL is almost laughable, and the thought of a HNL and OGG nonstop is well dreamy..

Another interesting rumor that may very well happen is that SNA, SMF, and PDX will all recieve Saturday only United Airlines 757-200 service to Honolulu feeding off of United Airlines contract partner for Hawaiian vacations. At current SAN, and SEA are in the initial round of new United Airlines West Coast to Honolulu nonstops. At current United serves Honolulu daily from Denver, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Tokyo, and Osaka.


User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Hawaii? They are likely dropping a couple PHX/LAS flights to accomadate PHL/CLT service since SNA is slot restricted.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Hmmm this is interesting, these new US rumors get more and more interesting everytime  wink 


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
The America West portion of US Airways always had a soft feeling for SNA so to speak. At one time it was the only city outside of Phoenix and Las Vegas to have a point to point (Sacramento)

Also had point to point service to San Francisco, Seattle and Reno. Somehow I can't believe this rumor mainly because they don't have the planes and the lack of feed to Orange County.
The soft feeling for SNA could be the number of flight fund members in Orange County, 2nd only to Arizona.


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7733 times:

I would think that they would first surrender a LAS and/or PHX
slot for a flight to CLT and/or PHL first.

They could get more higher-paying passengers on those flights;
plus use one of their Airbus aircraft instead of a 757.

They can only use a 757 on the Hawaiian runs and I don't
think they could fill them up daily throughout the year, given the
fact that there would be minimal connection feed at SNA.

However, with the Airbus, they can shift back and forth among the
319, 320, and 321 throughout the year based upon high and low
travel demand.



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User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Maybe an HNL-OGG tagged flight.
SR



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Definitely a RUMOR! Hawaii will be served from the PHX and LAS hubs for now.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 7):
Maybe an HNL-OGG tagged flight.
SR

Connecting the hubs to the primary spokes in the west, namely, SMF, SJC, SNA, RNO, PDX, and maybe SLC are the primary focus right now--NOT adding additional flying to Hawaii. Please, it's just a RUMOR people! Let it go!



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
Another interesting rumor that may very well happen is that SNA, SMF, and PDX will all recieve Saturday only United Airlines 757-200 service to Honolulu feeding off of United Airlines contract partner for Hawaiian vacations. At current SAN, and SEA are in the initial round of new United Airlines West Coast to Honolulu nonstops. At current United serves Honolulu daily from Denver, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Tokyo, and Osaka.

I definitely could see that happening, Malpensa. In fact, I'm surprised UA hadn't started up PDX-HNL service more recently anyway, especially with the large presence they've had at PDX over the years, including a weekly flight to NRT back in the mid '80s.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

I honestly don't think PDX needs more capacity to HNL. We already have daily HA flights to HNL and OGG and a NW 753 to HNL. From what I've heard the loads are usually nowhere near full on the NW flight.

The UA feed into PDX isn't hub sized, for now it's nearly all O&D except for the people hopping onto the UAX props to smaller regional markets. Why would someone want to make an extra connection flying through PDX to HNL when they could go one-stop through a UA hub like LAX, SFO or ORD?


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 11):
The UA feed into PDX isn't hub sized, for now it's nearly all O&D except for the people hopping onto the UAX props to smaller regional markets. Why would someone want to make an extra connection flying through PDX to HNL when they could go one-stop through a UA hub like LAX, SFO or ORD?

Actually, I was saying that UA has been so big at PDX over the last 25 years, that I'm surprised the service wasn't started, that's all. The only reason UA would start such a service now is for a charter vacation package.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
However, with the Airbus, they can shift back and forth among the 319, 320, and 321 throughout the year based upon high and low travel demand.

The A321 would never make it off the ground at SNA with a full pax load. Remember, it's a 5,700-foot runway. The A319 is more likely.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 13):
The A321 would never make it off the ground at SNA with a full pax load. Remember, it's a 5,700-foot runway. The A319 is more likely.

Does the A319/A320 have the range to make SNA/OGG? I know it has PHX/ANC range however I don't know how the two compare in mileage.

I hope they don't use the 757s, Lord knows we have a hard enough time keeping them in service on the PHX/LAS to Hawaii flights as is. Stupid things break down every third flight.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 14):
Does the A319/A320 have the range to make SNA/OGG?

The A319 probably has the range, but I don't know if it has the performance to make it off a 5700' runway with enough fuel to make it all the way to OGG. AQ manages SNA-HNL with the 73G, but the 73G is a bit lighter than the A319. HP's A319's aren't ETOPS-rated in any event, and adding yet another subfleet might mean more complexity than the incremental revenue would be worth.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 14):
I hope they don't use the 757s, Lord knows we have a hard enough time keeping them in service on the PHX/LAS to Hawaii flights as is. Stupid things break down every third flight.

Considering most of HP's 757's are over 20 years old, they're doing pretty darned well...


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 15):
HP's A319's aren't ETOPS-rated in any event, and adding yet another subfleet might mean more complexity than the incremental revenue would be worth.

Actually, some of them are. I don't know off the top of my head which ones are and which aren't, but I do know we had to get a number of them ETOPS rated in order to do ANC.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

HPLASOps, those birds would be EOW-rated - extended overwater. Life rafts, life vests, etc. They're needed for any flight which travels more than 25 nm offshore. You don't need ETOPS to go to Anchorage from Phoenix.

My suggestion re: A321/320/319 was with regards to potential transcon flying from SNA to CLT/PHL. I rather doubt they'll initiate any Hawaii service from there.

[Edited 2006-05-03 08:40:29]


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 14):
Does the A319/A320 have the range to make SNA/OGG? I know it has PHX/ANC range however I don't know how the two compare in mileage.

The A320 wouldn't be able to but the A319 should with limited issue.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 16):
Actually, some of them are. I don't know off the top of my head which ones are and which aren't, but I do know we had to get a number of them ETOPS rated in order to do ANC.

PHX/LAS-ANC doesn't require ETOPS anything, and I have never heard of America West doing ETOPS for anything other than the 757s to Hawai'i. Perhaps you mean overwater equipped?



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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 17):
HPLASOps, those birds would be EOW-rated - extended overwater. Life rafts, life vests, etc. They're needed for any flight which travels more than 25 nm offshore.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Perhaps you mean overwater equipped?

I guess I stand corrected......

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 17):
A321/320/319 was with regards to potential transcon flying from SNA to CLT/PHL.

The A321 is part of US East metal. I know we're starting to swap flights with each other (them getting the LAS - RDU/MIA redeyes while we are getting the SEA/PDX - PHL redeyes), but I don't see US using an A321 to do PHL-SNA just to feed a Hawaiian flight - I don't know if the demand exists yet for such a large aircraft east coast to SNA.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 17):
My suggestion re: A321/320/319 was with regards to potential transcon flying from SNA to CLT/PHL. I rather doubt they'll initiate any Hawaii service from there.

Neither the A321 nor the A320 can make it out of SNA on a transcon flight. The only aircraft in the HP/US fleet that can do it are the A319s and the 757s



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

I knew the A321 couldn't make it but didn't know the A320 would be too heavy. It would be a pretty thin route anyway so I think a 319 would be fine load-wise.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 21):
I knew the A321 couldn't make it but didn't know the A320 would be too heavy.

Weight isn't the issue, it is performance. The 752 is heavier than either of those planes and we know it can make it.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

HP has tried a number of things from SNA, all of which, sadly to say, have failed. Let's start way way back when, HP actually flew B757 nonstop to JFK, first once daily, then twice daily, then the route was cut all together. On and off, a number of other routes and cities have hit the SNA map for HP- SEA, SMF, SFO, RNO. I actually wish they would try the Reno service again, because their only attempt went up against AA just after the Reno Air takeover, and at that time, AA would do anything to fight off any competitor, sadly enough, on the SNA market it was HP. I do think though now this route could work, maybe at least a midday daily since the Aloha flight times really aren't tourist friendly. As mentioned above, SNA per capita, actually has a the greatest HP f.f member ratio per area per capita considering population, even greater than the PHX area simply because how larger the PHX area is now. ( I think AA has the same claim to fame with SNA vs. other areas)

Maybe it's time to pull the Express RJ flights from SNA and try to fill voids left from days past and fill the needs of their SNA clientel and f.f base


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 23):
On and off, a number of other routes and cities have hit the SNA map for HP- SEA, SMF, SFO, RNO.

The SMF-SNA route was the longest from 1991 to 2001


25 Flyboyaz : We have some very good route planners and they usually make good decisions on where to fly. Of course the fuel prices put a damper on the coast to coa
26 Ca2ohHP : You won't see SNA-Hawaii service on HP/US. The planners are busy with other things.
27 USPIT10L : AA has a large FF base in SNA because that was AirCal's headquarters. Those travelers that took OC in California in the '80s stayed with AA and still
28 Stirling : That service has declined sadly over the years. At one time, UA had about 50 daily departures from PDX....for awhile, even more than SEA, and was at
29 DTWAGENT : Speaking of the B757-200's. Does anyone from USAirways know when they are planning to put first/envoy class on the ATA planes that where purchased. I
30 WN57787 : From To Distance SNA (33°40'32"N 117°52'06"W) HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) 2584 mi SNA (33°40'32"N 117°52'06"W) OGG (20°53'55"N 156°25'50"W)
31 N1120A : To whom? People in Orange County? LAX is much more central to the region as a whole Distance has nothing to do with this. SNA has a 5701' runway
32 Post contains images FCYTravis : Yes, I should have been more specific... too heavy for its available thrust
33 HPRamper : Supposedly after summer, but before the winter holidays.
34 Molykote : I don't know anything about this proposed service but I want to address something that comes up from time to time. The A319 and A321 have more range
35 PSA727 : Someone help me figure this one out... I've used SNA many times and am familiar with its short runway, and more importantly, its noise abatement rules
36 N1120A : All -700 It is a power to weight ratio and wing issue. It doesn't matter, because you still wouldn't make it. The longest A320 flight out of SNA is U
37 FCYTravis : Correct, but the issue is that the A321 is an underpowered flying pig. If one tried to take off fully-loaded for a transcon flight from SNA, it would
38 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : And that is an understatement. -SOAC
39 Flyboyaz : Yep exactly...LAX sucks though, it's a pain to use. I always fly into SNA when I go to LA....it's a lot better.
40 USPIT10L : Hate to start critcizing US Airways again, but they shouldn't have bought the aircraft knowing it was so underpowered. But then again, when these ord
41 PSA727 : It is also convenient for those of us that have to travel to North San Diego County. It can be a nightmare getting to SAN in the morning, plus that s
42 DTWAGENT : Thank you HPramper for the information....
43 A330323X : I don't see US operating PHL-SNA service again in the near future. It did operate it briefly using an A319 from 8 June 2003, when it switched from 2x
44 USPIT10L : Thanks. US' two bankruptcies have made it very difficult for me to keep up on fleet updates/order deferments, etc. I appreciate the update. Due to th
45 A330323X : US will continue to use them primarily for transcon markets, just as they are used now, along with select other markets that need a large F cabin. Th
46 Post contains images CentPIT : I agree! Well, right now in PIT (as of May 11, 2006) the A321 is used in these markets: PIT-CLT--1 daily A321 PIT-MCO--1 daily A321 Sad huh?
47 N1120A : Yeah, seeing the El Toro Y with no traffic would be a hell of a site It isn't underpowered, it just isn't as powerful as the 757. It is made to do a
48 John : There's also quite a bit of hub to Florida flying utilizing the A321s.
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