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LX A300: Any Photos Yet?  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6958 posts, RR: 63
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

The controversial lease of a Hapag-Lloyd A300-600 by Swiss should have started this week. Any photos of it yet?

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User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

In this thread in a Swiss aviation forum are some pictures of D-AIAX in ZRH among other pictures.
But the pics are not from me.
Felix


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Will she be getting full SWISS livery?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c


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User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 271 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
Will she be getting full SWISS livery?

negative, it will be in the same livery as today  Sad

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

haha me neither! i don't know if anybody is happy with this solution! Even the employees of LX hate or don't like it  Smile - plus the pilot can't fly their popular rotation to NBO and DAR  Wink but that's not important from the financial view



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Thery could have leased a 767-200 (although we know Swiss has never been keen on boeing nor has Swissair) or more simply, another A330.....


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

You people are living in your own little dreamworld.

The A300 is the ideal plane for the routes Swiss want it for, and there are no more A330s around that are available on suitable terms. The A300-600R is not an old plane really, and will be in good condition before they use it on Swiss routes.

For someone to say that they are so old and obsolete and that they wouldnt fly on one because of this, is madness. They are extremely safe, comfortable, reasonably modern, and very reliable. They offer excellent cargo and pax capacity uplift over routes that dont require the range of the A330/40. It makes excellent sense - but if you dont want to fly them because they are not super modern like the 777 or a340, then thats up to you, but having flown A300s many, many times - i can tell you they are very nice planes to fly on.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
or more simply, another A330.....

There is no A330 (esp. A332 for LX) on the leasing market.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
although we know Swiss has never been keen on Boeing nor has Swissair

Why that? SR was launch customer of the B743.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6958 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 7):
Why that? SR was launch customer of the B743.

I don't think SR were anti-Boeing as much as they were pro-McD. Their short-haul fleet was DC-9s and then MD-80s; their long-haul fleet DC-8s, DC-10s, MD-11s and the seven (over the years) 747s they bought. The A310s they had were designed largely to their specification and there wasn't a really comparable Boeing plane available. Then the MD-80s were replaced by A320s (not 737s) and SR slipped firmly into the Airbus camp with orders of A330s and A340s following. They were happy enough to get 757s and 767s for their Balair subsidiary.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4513 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
Thery could have leased a 767-200 (although we know Swiss has never been keen on boeing nor has Swissair)

After the crash of SR111 (MD11 - HB-IGF), Swissair leased a B763 to overcome the temporary capacity shortage. The aircraft was deployed on the ZRH-BOS route.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

I noticed on the press release that the plane will have a business class. My question is if Swiss will use the existing seats on the plane or install their own seats?

HanginOut

[Edited 2006-05-03 18:39:20]


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User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

as for as i know the don't sell all Y seats availible, so they can take some extra cargoload. also the LX292/293 to NBO and DAR is not bookable for staff during summer season...

chris



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

Why obsolete aircraft, it is not much older than most 757s and 767s flying around. Do not mix up the A300B2 and the older B4s versions with the -600.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6154 times:

I'm simply astounded at the repeated insistance of some people on these forums that any aircraft that is not practically fresh off the line is obsolete. The A300 is a fine aircraft with excellent cargo capacity, and moreover a prime choice for LX to suit these particular routes. So the aircraft may not be a spring chicken any longer, but as long as it has been properly maintained it is a safe, reliable, and modern way of getting from point A to point B. I have flown with LX on their A332's before across the pond, and both trips were a pleasurable experience. I am sure that they will seek to outfit this A300 to be commensurate with the rest of their medium/long haul aircraft.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 1):
In this thread in a Swiss aviation forum are some pictures of D-AIAX in ZRH among other pictures.

The link is broken.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
SR111 (MD11 - HB-IGF)

Make that HB-IWF. HB-IGF was this bird:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Javier Rodriguez - Iberian Spotters



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
Swissair leased a B763 to overcome the temporary capacity shortage.

I presume that 763 came from Balair, right?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26704 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
The A310s they had were designed largely to their specification and there wasn't a really comparable Boeing plane available.

The 767-200 was rather comparable, while the 757 had superior economics with less cargo capacity.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4513 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
I presume that 763 came from Balair, right?

As far as I remember, it came from somewhere in Italy. Balair was still operating its A310s back in 1998 when SR111 went down.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

I can't find the pictures...

User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
The link is broken.

Here is another thread with a picture inside.
But there is not much to see especially since the D-AIAX is still in the normal Hapag-Lloyd c/s.

Greets
Felix


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8165 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

Oh man. The A300-600R is still in production. I don't know the age of the Hapag Lloyd machine, but the A300-600R is not an obselete aircraft. I bet none of them have been scrapped yet (whereas 767s are starting to get turned into Coke cans...not that the 767, especially the 763, is obselete either).



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

It's not so much that the aircraft is obsolete but that seating is tighter, it has payload restrictions and no inflight entertainment in both classes. In C-Class pasengers are handed a portable DVD player. In eco it's simply tough luck!

User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

D-AIAX is actually a Lufthansa aircraft and has still LH seats... It is leased out to Hapag Lloys who now wetleased it to Swiss.

Plane was built in 1996 (cn 773), has its first flight on 13th November 1996, delivered to LH on 30th December 1996.... Well, yeah very old plane  Wink So some people even have to avoid to fly on many A320's and avery singele 737 OG...

LH's A300 are in excellent condition, and I love it everytime to fly on them on the HAM-FRA route... Big grin

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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 21):
LH's A300 are in excellent condition, and I love it everytime to fly on them on the HAM-FRA route...

Well yeah, but HAM-FRA is just a bit shorter than ZRH-NBO or ZRH-SSG. But only just  Wink

I'm sure the plane really is in mint condition. I just don't think its suitable for the routes LX is operating it on from the perspective of passenger comfort, especially seeing as the LX C-Class product on the flights to SSG is competing with the AF Dedicate service.


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
no inflight entertainment in both classes

That must be airline specific then because when I flew with Monarch in 1993 we had IFE then.

I must admit though they do cram seats in but I think its a nice aircraft and would love to fly on one again sometime.

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 4):
Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

haha me neither! i don't know if anybody is happy with this solution! Even the employees of LX hate or don't like it - plus the pilot can't fly their popular rotation to NBO and DAR but that's not important from the financial view

OMG.. what kind of bubble do you live in?  Wow! You'd think they had leased a clapped out IL86 or B707 by what you say. In the real world, passengers and employees of airlines dont obsess over whether its an A306 or an A332. They just dont. And the A306 isnt particularly old and certainly isnt obsolete.


25 Tom_EDDF : I flew Lufthansa's A300-600s multiple times last year and they are very decent aircraft and visually in great shape, inside and out. The interior does
26 Knightsofmalta : I don't want to spoil your fun but I flew on the QR A. 300 from ZRH to DOH last September. Don't get me wrong, I like the A. 300 and QR are actually
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