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USAirways Stock Up To $48.10  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Back when the stock was first issued, i bought only 10 shares for the hell of it mainly for the reason because i wanted to "own" part of an airline. I had thought the stock would go up a little but come back down to below the initial price of $20.00...now it is up to over $48! How much higher does anyone think that it will go before it comes back down?? I should have bought a few more shares early on  Smile


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User currently offlineBishopOfPHL From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

A JP Morgan analyst gave it a target of $100/sh yesterday, wow. They must be in bed with someone from LCC, cause I'm not seeing it, but who knows with such a wacky industry.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/Quot...5-23_N02284308&symbol=LCC.N&rpc=44


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

That is wacky indeed...Has any airline ever had a per share value of $100? I wonder why it is doing so well??


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

US is one of the few airlines expected to post a profit for 2006. That $100 mark was for quite a ways in the future, sometime in 2007 if I'm remembering correctly.
US Airways also has one of the highest RASMs in the domestic industry.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 2):
I wonder why it is doing so well??

Ummm... Restructuring? Management that is at least worthy of being in charge of an airline??? Some improvements are being made to get people to buy US tickets and boost customer satisfaction. However, customer complaints were among the highest for any airline last year. I suggest they conduct a survey of different pax and find out what the complaints are. Maybe when they consider that, and if/when customer satifaction is at its zenith (complaints are at their lowest) I would almost guarantee a stock value of $100 per share, but that's just me... Does US conduct such surveys?



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

SELL IT..... QUICK.... just kidding.... good to see an airline stock going up!!!

I remember when it was de-listed off NASDAQ



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 2):
Has any airline ever had a per share value of $100?

UAL was over $100 a share around the time of the ESOP back in the late 80's.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
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WTF? This airline is still loosing money but the stock is valued at over 3x that of WN? Talk about overvalued.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
I suggest they conduct a survey of different pax and find out what the complaints are.

Uhhh *cough*lostbaggage*cough*

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
WTF? This airline is still loosing money but the stock is valued at over 3x that of WN? Talk about overvalued.

Think of the situations of the different airlines. US Airways has nowhere to go but up, no? And it has been that way since the merger.
Where does Southwest have to go? And it's not up, since they are already at the top, are they not? That's why they are not losing stock value, but it has leveled off greatly.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
This airline is still loosing money but the stock is valued at over 3x that of WN? Talk about overvalued.

No.. what is the ratio of shares outstanding for US -v- WN...??? If WN has 4x as many shares outstanding, that still makes it more valuable.

If US has 2 million shares at $50.....
and WN has 6 million shares at $30....WN is worth more with a compaired value of $90. Southwest price is also stuck in the mud. It rarely moves more the +/- $2 around $30 mark.

[Edited 2006-05-04 01:24:07]


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
Uhhh *cough*lostbaggage*cough*

Oh yeah, how could I have forgotten about that.  silly 
Besides other agencies taking over the baggage system, like at PIT, what could be done to rectify this, fire bad ramp agents and replace them? Just trying to find ways of making US into a better customer's airline...



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User currently offlineMidway7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

USAirways is a powerful brand on the east coast. At one point in the past, I believe they were the largest airlines east of the Mississippi. Unfortunately, it was grossly mismanaged.

Take the powerful brand and combine it with another powerful brand on the other coast (HP) add in good management and you have quite a company.

I don't think we will see $ 100 a share until at least fuel prices stabilize for a period of time. I also see some potential labor issues down the road.

Midway7


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
Besides other agencies taking over the baggage system, like at PIT, what could be done to rectify this, fire bad ramp agents and replace them?

I'd bet those tenured rampers at PHL are getting some hard looks. They can't just be fired, but they sure won't be getting away with anything.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting Midway7 (Reply 11):
USAirways is a powerful brand on the east coast. At one point in the past, I believe they were the largest airlines east of the Mississippi. Unfortunately, it was grossly mismanaged.

Yeah, they had the boneheaded bunglers of Lakefield and Siegel in the Pilot's seat at the time I believe.

Quoting Midway7 (Reply 11):
Take the powerful brand and combine it with another powerful brand on the other coast (HP) add in good management and you have quite a company.

Not only were both brands powerful in there relative areas, but one was already a LCC. What if US would have merged with UA in 2000. US would likely have been a legacy carrier still, but they're taking on more of a structure as HP, the LCC, through the merger. Plus, they have mostly competent, decent, HP management rather than US management...

Quoting Midway7 (Reply 11):
I don't think we will see $ 100 a share until at least fuel prices stabilize for a period of time. I also see some potential labor issues down the road.

Perhaps, but with their being good management, especially with that of Doug Parker, I think those could be overcome without a hitch. Not to say that this will be a cakewalk if/when such issues arise, but I don't think that the airline will spend months and years negotiating labor issues... 1-3 months tops IMHO...



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
UAL was over $100 a share around the time of the ESOP back in the late 80's

Actually the shares were around that price in the mid 1990's.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
WTF? This airline is still loosing money but the stock is valued at over 3x that of WN? Talk about overvalued.

At least US is turning around, with some of the best brains in the business holding down the fort on Rio Salado Pkwy in Tempe. WN can go either way on its operations, but I think its price has pretty much stagnated. *waiting for the flaming*. I sold all of my F9 and WN shares (6,550 shares and 250 shares, respectively) and dumped the proceeds into US and CO. These are the two I think will do better.

As for US, I am impressed with how the merger is turning out. Doug Parker has an incredible sense on what is right for his company. As far as labor problems, as of December 31, *I'm going off of the Annual Report I just recieved* US has 36,600 active full time equivalent employees. The report says the only issues so far is the integration of both airlines unions, but ALPA did sign a Transition Agreement with the company covering most of the merger-related issues. The CWA/IBT groups, and the AFA also signed agreements of understanding during the transition period.

The report also says HP is a participant of the CRAF (Civil Reserve Air Fleet), although it doesnt list which aircraft types are assigned to this task, although they are required to provide up to 8 aircraft under the current arrangement, with up to 19 aircraft to be available in times of need, to support military missions. Anyone know if it's the 757's or even the Airbus that are asigned to this? As far as the US side of this is concerned, they are required to provide all of their 767-200ER aircraft and up to 9 A330-300 aircraft. It also states the 767's are to be used strictly for the AeroMed division of the CRAF, where the planes are converted to flying hospitals. US is the third member of this group, along with Delta and United.

Can anyone else add to this?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
Yeah, they had the boneheaded bunglers of Lakefield and Siegel in the Pilot's seat at the time I believe.



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
Not only were both brands powerful in there relative areas, but one was already a LCC. What if US would have merged with UA in 2000. US would likely have been a legacy carrier still, but they're taking on more of a structure as HP, the LCC, through the merger. Plus, they have mostly competent, decent, HP management rather than US management

Siegel was gone by the time of the baggage nightmare in PHL during Christmas 2004. US' problems began long before Siegel was even running CO Express. Having eight focus cities with 750 miles of each other killed the "best brand" east of the Mississippi. To be honest, I always felt DL had better service than USAir for most of their tenure. It's just DL had fewer big markets than USAir in the East.

Good point on the last line there. Parker and company really know how to do it right, unlike Schofield and company in the early '90s and Siegel, Bronner and Lakefield more recently.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
Siegel was gone by the time of the baggage nightmare in PHL during Christmas 2004.

Didn't a bunch of employees call in sick that time which caused that nightmare IIRC?



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Yeah, it was a big sick-out, unfortunately those employees did not take the high road and just made themselves look bad.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

What was the issue for the sickout?


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Southwest price is also stuck in the mud. It rarely moves more the +/- $2 around $30 mark.

I assume you meant around the $17 mark, not the $30 mark... It's 52 week high is only a bit over $18, so $30 is quite optimistic  Wink


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
Didn't a bunch of employees call in sick that time which caused that nightmare IIRC?



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Yeah, it was a big sick-out, unfortunately those employees did not take the high road and just made themselves look bad.

Sorry to disappoint and ruin your lovely opinion of the US rampers, but management just blamed the employees for a sickout. In fact, the DOT conducted an investigation which concluded that there was no sickout, and that management was responsible for not staffing correctly. Of course, management then "forgot" to apologize to the employees.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot3805.htm



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Oh man, thats just not right. No wonder the US people hated the old regime.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 21):
Sorry to disappoint and ruin your lovely opinion of the US rampers, but management just blamed the employees for a sickout. In fact, the DOT conducted an investigation which concluded that there was no sickout, and that management was responsible for not staffing correctly. Of course, management then "forgot" to apologize to the employees.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot3805.htm

Good job old US management  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5053 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Woooo hoooooo! Should we put US on the "Titanic" watch list? Perhaps they will go into bk soon.


Hey now!! For those non believers........ They turned your heads!!!

And for those that still don't believe it.. I bet my airline stock is worth more than yours!


ROFL!



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