777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2442 posts, RR: 3 Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6165 times:
Looks like MDW is the latest victim of AA's seat-reduction manuever. Anyone want to speculate as to who will take the two leased gates over? I'd be interested to see how this will play out? How have the Ted flights in/out of MDW fared to this point?
American to leave Midway
No layoffs expected as 5 daily flights to Texas end Sept. 1
By Mark Skertic
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 3, 2006
The world's largest commercial carrier will leave Midway International Airport this year.
American Airlines has notified city aviation officials it will cease flights from Midway on Sept. 1.
The airline has only five daily departures from Midway, all to its hub at Dallas-Ft. Worth International Airport. Although American's presence at the airport is small, accounting for less than 2 percent of passengers departing annually, its departure increases the dominance of discount airlines at Midway.
An American spokesman would confirm only that the airline is considering schedule changes in the fall that could affect Midway. However, the Chicago Department of Aviation said it has been notified that the carrier has decided to suspend service at the Southwest Side airport.
The decision does not affect O'Hare International Airport, where American and its regional carrier, American Eagle, combine for 520 daily departures.
Like American, United Airlines also has maintained a small presence at Midway. Elk Grove Township-based United serves only its Denver and Washington, D.C., hubs from the airport.
American has been in and out of Midway several times over the years, as it tried new service offerings. It has been at Midway this time around for about five years.
"They've been in and out of Midway like a yo-yo over the years," said airline analyst Michael Boyd. "This isn't a market that does a whole lot for them."
American's Midwest commitment is at O'Hare, not a smattering of flights from Midway, Boyd said.
Locally, the market has developed with mostly low-cost carriers at Midway and larger, international airlines at O'Hare. No discounter has a large presence at O'Hare, while the country's most successful low-fare carrier, Southwest Airlines, dominates the market at Midway.
The Midway decision is not expected to result in layoffs. The airline uses a Continental Airlines gate at Midway and contracts with Continental to provide ticketing and boarding services.
American has said it plans to reduce capacity, a move the airline hopes will reduce costs and result in some planes flying more full. Unlike most of its major rivals, American has not sought bankruptcy protection, but it has been under pressure to reduce costs and return to profitability. The carrier plans to cut 27 aircraft from its fleet by the summer
The carrier's decision to pull out of Midway will leave two airlines serving the Dallas market, ATA Airlines and AirTran Airways. Instead of 12 daily flights to Dallas from Midway, there will be seven.
Southwest Airlines does not fly to the Dallas-Ft. Worth airport. Southwest does fly to Dallas' Love Field, but federal law restricts which states can be served from Love.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2442 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
ATA is most definitely not a factor considering WN took over all of their gates and began codesharing their routes ahead of BKK proceedings. Maybe CO will keep their gates. I wish they had a bigger share in the Chicago market. I've only flown them twice but was impressed.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 48 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
Another idea: Since DL currently just leases a gate for their flights, might this not be a possibility for them to have their own gate instead of one they have to lease for all the different flights, particularly with the now increased flying to ATL?
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2442 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5755 times:
Can anyone say JetBlue? I'm thinking CO would sublease the gates to them if the price was right. Assuming JetBlue stuck to routes (MDW-Long Beach? or MDW-FLL) that CO didn't serve, it'd be a win-win situation for both. No doubt AirTran wouldn't be happy competition on Florida routes and would most likely make a run on the gates as well. Should be interesting to watch this play out. I'm not sure WN would want the CO gates as much as the departure/arrival slots.
N471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1367 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5749 times:
American again insults their customers by parking planes (the 27 MD-80's) and ending service as they hope that people will follow them to ORD. And when there they can look forward to crowded planes....loyalty is good but ought not to trump common sense. It just seems that when AA stands up and says we are going to fight the LCC's (such as in Midway, Long Beach and now Love) they eventually cave in and pull out. We will all have a good laugh when they end their operation at Love Field and trust me they will. They just talk and have no idea how to beat SWA and they have had 35 years to figure it out---pitiful and pathetic that the pilots and great AA employees have to pay the price of the string of bad management---starting with Bob Crandall who bragged that SWA would not survive. Bob Crandall should be inducted into the Avaition Hall of Shame as he could have killed SWA in the cradle but knew not how to do it.....shhhhhh Bob the key was LOW FARES....
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 850 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5685 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 9): Why no mention of the possibility of Southwest taking the gates to be given up by AA?
Southwest certainly could take the gate, but remember that AA only has a single gate (C1) to offer. The gates WN currently holds are below their full utilization and it will be some time before WN is maxing them out. With the growth WN has planned in other markets, I doubt WN's first priority is gate-snatching at MDW.
If it goes vacant, they might take the one Terminal C gate, but this isn't at all like the ATA deal where major gates were on the table.
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
Quoting Dbba (Reply 13): pitiful and pathetic that the pilots and great AA employees have to pay the price of the string of bad management---starting with Bob Crandall who bragged that SWA would not survive. Bob Crandall should be inducted into the Avaition Hall of Shame as he could have killed SWA in the cradle but knew not how to do it.....shhhhhh Bob the key was LOW FARES....
Bob Crandall may be a lot of things, but I don't know how well the label of "bad management" applies to him.
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With all due respect, I doubt if CO or any other airline would sub lease gates to B6. You can't put in a contract that the flight is only valid if you don't compete in a specific markets so CO would open the possibility of B6 starting EWR/JFK/LGA to MDW service, any of which would impact CO.
Why not?! I suppose ultimately the decision would be up to the Chicago Aviation Authority. I'm not sure that MDW-JFK/EWR/LGA routes would be very profitable from MDW seeing as how those routes are served big time by UA, AA, and CO out of ORD.
The one thing MDW does not get enough of are longer-range routes with WN being the only provider (MDW to LAS, LAX, etc.). JetBlue might be wise to provide nonstop, "high end" service flights to "warm weather" destinations out west (Long Beach) and anywhere in Florida.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3955 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
Talk about a group of hypocrites. I remember Arpey being before a congressional committee saying that American serves MDW, when being grilled about why they are so interesting in Love, but not Midway. Now what has happened they have pulled out of Midway, which shows they can't compete at Midway, so as to keep their ORD hub intact, yet DAL has the exact same situation, and they feel they have to be competitive. This really dillutes their argument big time.
Quoting 777fan (Reply 12): I'm not sure WN would want the CO gates as much as the departure/arrival slots.
No slots at MDW.
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15): Southwest certainly could take the gate, but remember that AA only has a single gate (C1) to offer.
The gate belongs to CO, not AA
Quoting 777fan (Reply 17): My mistake - I was under the impression that the ORD slots also applied to MDW by proxy. Given the runway arrangement, length, etc. at MDW, it's hard to see how there aren't slots there to begin with.
Only has 930 ops per day on 5 runways, 2 of which are easily used for commercial takeoffs and another which can be used for commercial landings
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777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2442 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5532 times:
I guess I never really understood why AA would want to fly to its mainline hubs (DFW) when it already has a dumpster load of flights to there from ORD. UA's Ted "strategy" made a bit of sense by at least feigning the attempt to provide "low cost" options to its mainline hubs out of MDW. On a related note, it's about time AA started phasing out some of its MadDogs - those things are beginning to show their age and have no place (IMO) serving transcon routes!
Honestly, I can't see that happening. They want ORD, not MDW.
Quoting 777fan (Reply 12): Assuming JetBlue stuck to routes (MDW-Long Beach? or MDW-FLL)
Well, MDW-LGB and MDW-FLL routes are quite unlikely really. Neeleman, himself, has said that he wants to focus on short-medium haul routes that are operated that are by the legacy carriers that have high fares. His goal is to lower these fares, while remaining successful at the announced city. B6 wants to cut down on transcons to save fuel, and cut down on costs. If they were to start MDW, hypothetically speaking, they would most likely start out with MDW-JFK, MDW-BOS, and maybe even MDW-IAD flights.
[Edited 2006-05-04 02:30:43]
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