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AA Bails On MDW (again!); Who'll Move In?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Looks like MDW is the latest victim of AA's seat-reduction manuever. Anyone want to speculate as to who will take the two leased gates over? I'd be interested to see how this will play out? How have the Ted flights in/out of MDW fared to this point?


777fan


American to leave Midway
No layoffs expected as 5 daily flights to Texas end Sept. 1

By Mark Skertic
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 3, 2006


The world's largest commercial carrier will leave Midway International Airport this year.

American Airlines has notified city aviation officials it will cease flights from Midway on Sept. 1.

The airline has only five daily departures from Midway, all to its hub at Dallas-Ft. Worth International Airport. Although American's presence at the airport is small, accounting for less than 2 percent of passengers departing annually, its departure increases the dominance of discount airlines at Midway.

An American spokesman would confirm only that the airline is considering schedule changes in the fall that could affect Midway. However, the Chicago Department of Aviation said it has been notified that the carrier has decided to suspend service at the Southwest Side airport.

The decision does not affect O'Hare International Airport, where American and its regional carrier, American Eagle, combine for 520 daily departures.

Like American, United Airlines also has maintained a small presence at Midway. Elk Grove Township-based United serves only its Denver and Washington, D.C., hubs from the airport.

American has been in and out of Midway several times over the years, as it tried new service offerings. It has been at Midway this time around for about five years.

"They've been in and out of Midway like a yo-yo over the years," said airline analyst Michael Boyd. "This isn't a market that does a whole lot for them."

American's Midwest commitment is at O'Hare, not a smattering of flights from Midway, Boyd said.

Locally, the market has developed with mostly low-cost carriers at Midway and larger, international airlines at O'Hare. No discounter has a large presence at O'Hare, while the country's most successful low-fare carrier, Southwest Airlines, dominates the market at Midway.

The Midway decision is not expected to result in layoffs. The airline uses a Continental Airlines gate at Midway and contracts with Continental to provide ticketing and boarding services.

American has said it plans to reduce capacity, a move the airline hopes will reduce costs and result in some planes flying more full. Unlike most of its major rivals, American has not sought bankruptcy protection, but it has been under pressure to reduce costs and return to profitability. The carrier plans to cut 27 aircraft from its fleet by the summer

The carrier's decision to pull out of Midway will leave two airlines serving the Dallas market, ATA Airlines and AirTran Airways. Instead of 12 daily flights to Dallas from Midway, there will be seven.

Southwest Airlines does not fly to the Dallas-Ft. Worth airport. Southwest does fly to Dallas' Love Field, but federal law restricts which states can be served from Love.


Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune


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User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 437 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

I assume airtran might jump on this, but will ATA try to pick up a few more flights a day?

Flying_727



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User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

I say AirTran jumps on the open gates.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

ATA is most definitely not a factor considering WN took over all of their gates and began codesharing their routes ahead of BKK proceedings. Maybe CO will keep their gates. I wish they had a bigger share in the Chicago market. I've only flown them twice but was impressed.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6780 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting Jerion (Reply 2):
I say AirTran jumps on the open gates.

AA is using a Continental gate, so I doubt this will provide "open gates" for AirTran.

I'm shocked that AA doesn't feel they need to serve MDW in order to protect their customer base in Chicago


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

AA Rumors At MDW (by Mycrj17 May 1 2006 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 1):
I assume airtran might jump on this, but will ATA try to pick up a few more flights a day?

777Fan is right, ATA's scheduled domestic service is being scaled back, not growing.

Quoting Jerion (Reply 2):
I say AirTran jumps on the open gates.

FL would be a top contender IMO...

AA occupies Terminal C which is remote from FL's gates in Terminal B. Do you need to leave and re-enter security to move between Terminals?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
How have the Ted flights in/out of MDW fared to this point?

IAD was quickly pulled and DEN is pretty awful.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6377 times:
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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
AA occupies Terminal C which is remote from FL's gates in Terminal B. Do you need to leave and re-enter security to move between Terminals?

No, once through security, you have access to all gates.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Why no mention of the possibility of Southwest taking the gates to be given up by AA? Is there anything preventing Southwest from picking up more gates at MDW as they become available?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

Another idea: Since DL currently just leases a gate for their flights, might this not be a possibility for them to have their own gate instead of one they have to lease for all the different flights, particularly with the now increased flying to ATL?

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6287 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):

IAD was quickly pulled and DEN is pretty awful.

IAD was switched to United Express, but I believe the service still exists.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Can anyone say JetBlue? I'm thinking CO would sublease the gates to them if the price was right. Assuming JetBlue stuck to routes (MDW-Long Beach? or MDW-FLL) that CO didn't serve, it'd be a win-win situation for both. No doubt AirTran wouldn't be happy competition on Florida routes and would most likely make a run on the gates as well. Should be interesting to watch this play out. I'm not sure WN would want the CO gates as much as the departure/arrival slots.

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User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6248 times:
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American again insults their customers by parking planes (the 27 MD-80's) and ending service as they hope that people will follow them to ORD. And when there they can look forward to crowded planes....loyalty is good but ought not to trump common sense. It just seems that when AA stands up and says we are going to fight the LCC's (such as in Midway, Long Beach and now Love) they eventually cave in and pull out. We will all have a good laugh when they end their operation at Love Field and trust me they will. They just talk and have no idea how to beat SWA and they have had 35 years to figure it out---pitiful and pathetic that the pilots and great AA employees have to pay the price of the string of bad management---starting with Bob Crandall who bragged that SWA would not survive. Bob Crandall should be inducted into the Avaition Hall of Shame as he could have killed SWA in the cradle but knew not how to do it.....shhhhhh Bob the key was LOW FARES....

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23074 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
I'm not sure WN would want the CO gates as much as the departure/arrival slots.

When did slot control at MDW start?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 9):
Why no mention of the possibility of Southwest taking the gates to be given up by AA?

Southwest certainly could take the gate, but remember that AA only has a single gate (C1) to offer. The gates WN currently holds are below their full utilization and it will be some time before WN is maxing them out. With the growth WN has planned in other markets, I doubt WN's first priority is gate-snatching at MDW.

If it goes vacant, they might take the one Terminal C gate, but this isn't at all like the ATA deal where major gates were on the table.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
Can anyone say JetBlue?

jetBlue has expressed disinterest at MDW, they have indicated that they want to hold off for ORD availability.


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Quoting Dbba (Reply 13):
pitiful and pathetic that the pilots and great AA employees have to pay the price of the string of bad management---starting with Bob Crandall who bragged that SWA would not survive. Bob Crandall should be inducted into the Avaition Hall of Shame as he could have killed SWA in the cradle but knew not how to do it.....shhhhhh Bob the key was LOW FARES....

Bob Crandall may be a lot of things, but I don't know how well the label of "bad management" applies to him.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
When did slot control at MDW start?

My mistake - I was under the impression that the ORD slots also applied to MDW by proxy. Given the runway arrangement, length, etc. at MDW, it's hard to see how there aren't slots there to begin with.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
Can anyone say JetBlue?

With all due respect, I doubt if CO or any other airline would sub lease gates to B6. You can't put in a contract that the flight is only valid if you don't compete in a specific markets so CO would open the possibility of B6 starting EWR/JFK/LGA to MDW service, any of which would impact CO.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
B6 starting EWR/JFK/LGA to MDW service, any of which would impact CO.

Why not?! I suppose ultimately the decision would be up to the Chicago Aviation Authority. I'm not sure that MDW-JFK/EWR/LGA routes would be very profitable from MDW seeing as how those routes are served big time by UA, AA, and CO out of ORD.

The one thing MDW does not get enough of are longer-range routes with WN being the only provider (MDW to LAS, LAX, etc.). JetBlue might be wise to provide nonstop, "high end" service flights to "warm weather" destinations out west (Long Beach) and anywhere in Florida.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Talk about a group of hypocrites. I remember Arpey being before a congressional committee saying that American serves MDW, when being grilled about why they are so interesting in Love, but not Midway. Now what has happened they have pulled out of Midway, which shows they can't compete at Midway, so as to keep their ORD hub intact, yet DAL has the exact same situation, and they feel they have to be competitive. This really dillutes their argument big time.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
IAD was quickly pulled

IAD wasn't pulled, it is now on UAX.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
I'm not sure WN would want the CO gates as much as the departure/arrival slots.

No slots at MDW.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
Southwest certainly could take the gate, but remember that AA only has a single gate (C1) to offer.

The gate belongs to CO, not AA

Quoting 777fan (Reply 17):
My mistake - I was under the impression that the ORD slots also applied to MDW by proxy. Given the runway arrangement, length, etc. at MDW, it's hard to see how there aren't slots there to begin with.

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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

I guess I never really understood why AA would want to fly to its mainline hubs (DFW) when it already has a dumpster load of flights to there from ORD. UA's Ted "strategy" made a bit of sense by at least feigning the attempt to provide "low cost" options to its mainline hubs out of MDW. On a related note, it's about time AA started phasing out some of its MadDogs - those things are beginning to show their age and have no place (IMO) serving transcon routes!


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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
Can anyone say JetBlue?

Honestly, I can't see that happening. They want ORD, not MDW.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
Assuming JetBlue stuck to routes (MDW-Long Beach? or MDW-FLL)

Well, MDW-LGB and MDW-FLL routes are quite unlikely really. Neeleman, himself, has said that he wants to focus on short-medium haul routes that are operated that are by the legacy carriers that have high fares. His goal is to lower these fares, while remaining successful at the announced city. B6 wants to cut down on transcons to save fuel, and cut down on costs. If they were to start MDW, hypothetically speaking, they would most likely start out with MDW-JFK, MDW-BOS, and maybe even MDW-IAD flights.

[Edited 2006-05-04 02:30:43]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
The gate belongs to CO, not AA

Regardless of "owernership," (the gate really belongs to the City of Chicago) there is only a single gate opening up for anyone... which doesn't change what I was trying to say..


25 Steeler83 : I was about to ask why not MDW-LGB or LAX or DEN, or anyplace out west, but the LCCs at MDW pretty much have all the big markets out west pretty well
26 Mexicana757 : I'm sure CO will offer the gates to Skyteam partner DL. DL will probably be moved back to concourse C from A and whatever is opened up, the city of Ch
27 N1120A : Yes, Chicago owns the gate but has assigned its rights to CO who in turn subleased it to American. Now, CO can use it themselves or sublease to someo
28 B757capt : Everyone seems to be punching it around so I will just come out and say it. American does NOT own any gates at MDW. CO does all of there handling insi
29 Quickmover : How did CO ever come to own 3 gates at MDW? Were they old Eastern gates? I can't ever remember CO having a substantial presence at MDW. I would think
30 Airportplan : This is most likely what will happen.
31 Cubsrule : All gate leases were renegotiated as part of the renovation. To my knowledge, every carrier got the gates it was looking for, but that may not be cor
32 Quickmover : FL starting MDW-EWR service will probably dampen any ideas of CO subleasing MDW gates to FL. IMO.
33 MaverickM11 : It does...I meant UA pulled it and replaced it with Mesa, and it looks like it's still awful, if not worse than when UA metal was flying it.
34 Quickmover : Were those A gates refurbished along with the rest of MDW or is that part of the old facility? Haven't been to MDW in several years.
35 Post contains links Leelaw : All new terminal and concourses, nothing is left of the old facility. http://www.flychicago.com/midway/terminals/maps_facilities.shtm[Edited 2006-05-
36 Tango-Bravo : The label could not be more applicable to Bob Crandall... How about his immediate backpeddling on value pricing and going to the other extreme that d
37 B757capt : From what Erin O'donell says (thats the MDW airport mgr) she says that SWA,CO,NW are grandfathed into the MDW gates. If one wants to sell their lease
38 Wjcandee : Because it was trying to kill TZ. And to segment the market, preserving pricing power at ORD while competing on price at MDW. (And remember "price" m
39 B757capt : Well don't forget that we start 4x daily on Tuesday, FL that is. MDW-DFW.
40 Wjcandee : Doh! Then it looks like the two discount carriers together have driven the beast out. Fabulous.
41 Leelaw : Don't think that's accurate, the City of Chicago must approve any assingment or sublease; this was certainly the case for both rounds of TZ's transfe
42 ATA767 : ATA just added a 4th flight ahead of this announcement just like that added HOU-LGA a bit ahead of that pull out. ATA will grow but very slowly like
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