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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Does Airtran have any DC-9's left in service??? If so how many, because I heard that they are bringing them back to MDW in the summer(rumor)


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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
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Airtran (ex Valujet) retired their DC9s long ago. They were the first airline to order the 717, and have completely replaced their DC9 fleet with them.

If you want to fly DC9s in the US, you're still in luck - Northwest flies oodles of them all over the place, with no apparently plans to phase them out any time soon.

- litz


User currently offlineRandyWaldron From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

AirTran has no DC9's currently in their fleet; the fleet is comprised of Boeing 717's (MD95) and Boeing 737-700's. So, you did indeed hear a rumor.

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
Does Airtran have any DC-9's left in service??? If so how many, because I heard that they are bringing them back to MDW in the summer(rumor)

Maybe their also going down to IND to face NW  wink , seriously who told you such a bogus rumor man?



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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

One of the MX guy's for our FBO at MDW told me, I guess that our MX is going to do all the MX on there aircraft in the summer....
And does Airtran still have there Airbus aircraft?



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 4):
And does Airtran still have there Airbus aircraft?

Nope. Those were actually wet-leased from Ryan International Airlines. It was a way for Airtran to test both the aircraft and the West Coast waters without having to stick too much more than a toe in. They liked what they found with the West Coast expansion, but ended up pretty quickly dealing for the 737. Once a certain number of those were on-property with trained crews, Ryan was let go.

Another factoid, for what it's worth, is that Airtran also wet-leased some 737-800s from Miami Air to do FLL turns during the busy season before enough 737-700s were on property. The very general scuttlebutt was that Ryan did an okay but not spectactular job, and that Miami Air did a very fine one. On any given day, of course, things could have been different, but that's the very general overview.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 1):
Northwest flies oodles of them all over the place, with no apparently plans to phase them out any time soon.

Fly MSP-PIT, NW uses DC9s on that route...



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
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Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 5):
The very general scuttlebutt was that Ryan did an okay but not spectactular job,

I flew ATL-LAS several times on these Ryan birds. Was not terribly impressed with their service; plane was cramped, and the pilot thought he was landing on the deck of the Kennedy.

Repeating the experience on Airtran native metal (a 3 day old 737, in fact) was a complete total 180 degree turnaround.

Only flights I've had better were in the front section of various DL birds on that route (it's hard for FL to compete against a F seat on a 767) ...  Smile

- litz


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 4):

Your MX boys don't have to worry. We will no longer be using contract Mx at MDW we have our own employees and if that runs short we have an overflow contract with ATA now.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 5):

I worked for RYan during that mess. Ryan is a great company and so is Miami Air the fact of teh matter is that the A-320 was the msot unreliable aircraft that AirTran has ever seen. This is why the 737 was chose.



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User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
Does Airtran have any DC-9's left in service??? If so how many, because I heard that they are bringing them back to MDW in the summer(rumor

My last Airtran DC-9 flight was 12/20/2000 ATL to DFW. I'm not sure how long they kept them after this. IIRC they seemed to depart the fleet fast. My first 717 was the summer of 2000 and it was just a matter of time before the DC-9 were gone. I miss those old planes. They are gone for good and never to return to Airtran.



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

I believe AirTran retired their DC9s in 1/2003 (or was it 12/2003) Either way, they've been gone for nearly 3 years. I miss those birds.. The only problem was Valujet didn't think that they were going to be a maintenance nightmare (You pull planes from the desert, give them a glance to make sure the wing isn't falling off, slap a coat of paint on there and put them into service, you WILL have problems). A Lesson well learned. Those DC9s never recovered.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 10):
I believe AirTran retired their DC9s in 1/2003 (or was it 12/2003)

I believe you mean 1/2004; which is correct.

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Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 10):
(You pull planes from the desert, give them a glance to make sure the wing isn't falling off, slap a coat of paint on there and put them into service, you WILL have problems)

Actually, J7's first 10 DC-9s were ex-DL planes. In an Airliners magazine article covering J7's/FL's history nearly 2 years ago; it was mentioned that the DL planes were their better crop of DC-9s. The one that crashed in the Everglades nearly 10 years ago (J7 592); I believe (I could be mistaken on this) was a former-SAS DC-9.

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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
we have an overflow contract with ATA now

That's good for ATA and good for you guys. Will TZ just be helping with the 737s, or are there plans for it to do overflow work on the 717s as well?

Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
I worked for RYan during that mess. Ryan is a great company and so is Miami Air the fact of teh matter is that the A-320 was the msot unreliable aircraft that AirTran has ever seen. This is why the 737 was chose.

Interesting. I wasn't sure whether the A320s performance on that route for Ryan had anything to do with the 737 purchase decision. I frankly thought that using an A320 (because Ryan could have flown either an A320 or a 737 as they had both in their fleet) was a smart ploy that would make it clear to Boeing that the 320 was under consideration and thus make them offer a very good deal on the 737.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
The one that crashed in the Everglades nearly 10 years ago (J7 592); I believe (I could be mistaken on this) was a former-SAS DC-9.

Of course, it doesn't really matter where that plane came from or what condition it was in, as the crash had absolutely nothing to do with the condition of the plane and everything to do with the fact that the maintenance contractor essentially put a firebomb on board to ship back to Atlanta.

As to the idiotic "slap a coat of paint on" comments, the fact is that ValuJet and Northwest were bidding for EXACTLY the same DC9s from EXACTLY the same places at EXACTLY the same time and Valujet was getting some and NW the others. Yet ValuJet was savaged in the media for having "old" planes, and NW and AC, seeing a chance to crap on a competitor, refused to have anything to do with mantaining those aircraft under contract (as opposed to non-airline maintenance sources). FL would be justified in laughing its ass off all the way to the bank, what with NW's maintenance now the target of comedians and NW's fleet that many years older and that much less fuel-efficient. I wonder how eager NW would be today to have a contract to maintain FL's entire fleet -- oh, but wait, I wonder whether the media would consider that to be "safe". How things do change!


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
The one that crashed in the Everglades nearly 10 years ago (J7 592); I believe (I could be mistaken on this) was a former-SAS DC-9.

The DC-9 in question (N904VJ) was an ex-DL DC-9 (N1281L):

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Quoting Litz (Reply 7):
I flew ATL-LAS several times on these Ryan birds. Was not terribly impressed with their service; plane was cramped, and the pilot thought he was landing on the deck of the Kennedy.

Repeating the experience on Airtran native metal (a 3 day old 737, in fact) was a complete total 180 degree turnaround.

Flew ATL-LAS on one of the Ryan A-320s in April of 2004, and that was by far the worst flight I have ever been own. Seat pitch was worse than FL's, and the F/As were personality plus. I mean I've seen Waffle House waitresses with better personalities. I must have had the same pilot Litz did. I was glad FL flew LAS-DFW-ATL as a same plane flight using their own metal, as I got on as a standby for it and sitting the last row on a 717 beat Ryan hands down.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 5):
Another factoid, for what it's worth, is that Airtran also wet-leased some 737-800s from Miami Air to do FLL turns during the busy season before enough 737-700s were on property. The very general scuttlebutt was that Ryan did an okay but not spectactular job, and that Miami Air did a very fine one. On any given day, of course, things could have been different, but that's the very general overview.

Miami Air has been the go-to airline for additional seasonal lift for FL. They also used TMA once as well, using 727-200s. Miami Air did bid on the West Coast flying that went to Ryan, I also heard that Pace even bid on it as well.


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):

That is a very good question. I guess i just assumed that ATA would do both. Maybe our guys will do the 17's and ATA the 37's? I will have to find out.



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
the fact of teh matter is that the A-320 was the msot unreliable aircraft that AirTran has ever seen.

Then why does it sell like hot-cakes?!?!?!?!?


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Northwest still flys DC-9's from DTW-FNT/FNT-DTW. I am flying one next month  Smile I cant wait. Its my first DC-9 flight. NW also brings a couple a week at MCO.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
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I've flown NW DC9s quite a few times (unless you're on a longhaul flight, if you change planes in DTW or MSP, it's darned near impossible to avoid the things) and their upkeep is impeccable.

What's not very well known is that in the late 90s, NW pulled the interiors and replaced them with a 717-like interior. The insides of these 35 year old planes, folks, look quite new. Newer, in fact, that quite a few competitor's MD80s that are 20 years younger.

If it wasn't for the 70s-style overhead PSU's, and the noise level in the rear, you'd never know you were on a plane that started flying during the Nixon and Carter presidencies.

- litz


User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1447 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 16):
Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
the fact of teh matter is that the A-320 was the msot unreliable aircraft that AirTran has ever seen.

Then why does it sell like hot-cakes?!?!?!?!?

I believe he was saying that Airtran found it to be unreliable or not a fit to their needs and was not talking about how they are selling in general.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

How old is Northwest's oldes DC-9 that is still in service??


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
If it wasn't for the 70s-style overhead PSU's, and the noise level in the rear, you'd never know you were on a plane that started flying during the Nixon and Carter presidencies.

Some of NW's DC-9-30s may date back to even the Johnson administration.

Quoting Litz (Reply 18):
What's not very well known is that in the late 90s, NW pulled the interiors and replaced them with a 717-like interior. The insides of these 35 year old planes, folks, look quite new.

My only beef w/NW's DC-9 interiors are the seats (Coach); very little padding especially in the head area, not too comfortable for medium-haul/barely tolerable for short-haul. NW's A319/A320s also sport similar seats. Until recently, NW's DC-9 safety cards use to have vintage photographs showing the exterior (in '70s NW Orient livery) and the older padded seats (similar in style to FL's DC-9 seats); which probably were more comfortable than the current seats.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):

Thanks for the correction/clarification.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 16):
Quoting B757capt (Reply 8):
the fact of teh matter is that the A-320 was the msot unreliable aircraft that AirTran has ever seen.

Then why does it sell like hot-cakes?!?!?!?!?

The ones that Ryan International had came from ILFC. Two of them (N951LF and N941LF) served with TACA and LACSA, the other two served with MEA (N381LF and N391LF) prior to being returned to ILFC and later leased to Ryan International. Perhaps these airlines didn't take as good of care of them as they should have. The major reliability issues were early on, when there was a total of three of the four a/c. There were several times when two of the three would go tech, and FL would have to put their own metal on the route, with the 717 having to go to LAX or LAS with a fuel stop @ DFW. On at least one occassion, an A320 flight diverted to DFW with a tech issue and FL have to ferry a 717 to complete the flight. Then there's the infamous engine cowling incident as well towards the end of the contract. IIRC, the SFO flight start date was delayed because of the reliability issues with the A320s. Eventually, the number tech issues went down, and the "spare: A320 did ATL-MCO-ATL flights all day.


User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 17):
Northwest still flys DC-9's from DTW-FNT/FNT-DTW. I am flying one next month I cant wait. Its my first DC-9 flight. NW also brings a couple a week at MCO

Hey Delta767300ER,

I've done this flight several times. I just moved from the DTW area and will miss this opportunity. It's a fast 54 mile flight and seems like we cruise at 4000-5000ft. My last DC-9-10 flight was a DTW to FNT. Enjoy your first DC-9

Steve



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

AFAIK, NW does not have ANY DC9s formerly owned by Delta.. I know they have a few from other airlines...

It seems like Valujet had more maintenance breakdowns in a day than TWA Connies had in a week. THAT should have gotten the FAA's attention.


25 Wjcandee : Except, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the aircraft didn't fail in the most notable ValuJet accident -- a fire broke out on board due
26 AirTran737 : If you want to go that route then I'd better call the F.A.A. on YX because their piece of shit MD-80's are always taking mechanical delays.
27 Clipper002 : Please explain exactly where you got your stats from to make such an absurd statement. Rgds, Ed
28 Post contains images Nitrohelper : IIRC all of NWA DC-9s are from other airlines. Republic [RIP Herman] started the collection ! What other airlines have sent their DC-9s to Northwurst
29 Lincoln : Amen. I still consider the DC-9s that I flew ORD-DTW-ORD three years ago to a have among the better interiors of any aircraft I've been on to date. I
30 September11 : NW acquired some of their DC-9-51s and DC-9-31s from Eastern. Currently, some of NW DC9 aircraft registrations are Eastern's.
31 Post contains links MGA : You do know that TACA (Lacsa owner) owns the only certified Airbus repair and check center iin Latin America right? AEROMAN http://www.aeroman.taca.c
32 AirTran737 : Those things were hunks of shit. When Ryan went to do the proving runs out if ICT the FAA almost grounded them because when they opened up the cowl t
33 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Actually, one NW DC-9-31 (N944Z) originally was a Northeast Yellowbird (N979NE) which did fly for DL following the '72 merger. It later went to Ozark
34 Post contains images AirTran737 :
35 Steeler83 : When did production of the DC9 cease, in favor of the MD80? Was that back in the 70s or early 80s? I believe there were only several hundred of those
36 Scintx : I think there is a pic on A.Net of my last NW DC-9-31 flight (04/07/06). It's Reg is N1308T and it began with Texas International. I flew after an 8
37 Wjcandee : Aeroman does have a great reputation, and TACA does have a fine rep as well for how it maintains its aircraft. That said, however, the photo immediate
38 Wjcandee : Aeroman does have a great reputation, and TACA does have a fine rep as well for how it maintains its aircraft. That said, however, the photo immediate
39 F9Animal : Interesting history on that particular aircraft actually. The plane also flew for Grand Airways out of LAS. The captain of 592 worked for Grand, and
40 Access-Air : Yes....they did havea mess of ex-Delta DC9-14s.....I flew on one...N3312L from DTW-MDW.....And they also have soem 30s that flew for Delta too and in
41 PHLBOS : From an old Airliners magazine article I read, US was still receiving new DC-9s in 1981. My guess is there was a short period of a few years that the
42 D950 : The reason FL ended up with the 737NG, was, Boeing telling Joe Leonard they would not build a 717-300 with the range they wanted, even though they cou
43 Acidradio : This begs the question - will NW buy some old ValuJet DC9's? Sorry...
44 Cubsrule : I think N89S and N941N, both of which were manufactured in 1969, are both still in service.
45 Aa757first : This is fairly concerning. Why would AirTran lease out "hunks of shit" to fly their passengers? AAndrew
46 NWADC9 : The DC-9's operated under Republic, Hughes AirWest, Southern, Bonanza, SAS, Delta, Northeast, Eastern, and I'm sure there's others...
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