ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5621 times:
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1): Perhaps MEL can support 60 J class on the A346 better than a JNB service
I'd say so!!
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1): I have no idea how they could possibly do the same on a daily AKL service..
Loads to AKL vary, they aren't to bad overall most of the time, no idea what the loads are in each class though.
Quoting The777Man (Thread starter): I guess TG will increase the route to daily when they get more 777-200/ERs and probably launch more long haul routes with them.
Hmm, didn't SAA do JNB-BKK 3x weekly for years before they dropped it? Flights were on 747SP's at the end.
There is a rumour on another forum that TG will increase BNE to daily later this year. This is TG though, anything is possible.
CHC was rumoured at one stage, but they struggle a little with AKL at times so until they fix that CHC has no chance. I'd say they might use these 772ER's on the rumoured non stop's to MAD rather than via FCO.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4538 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5530 times:
As always with TG, they don't know what they want. When they wanted to start JNB 2 years ago, it would be with B744s. Since then, the JNB-plan has been on and off with frequencies ranging between thrice weekly and daily and with virtually all available equipment, including 744, MD11, A346 and now B772, actually loaded in the reservation systems. I'll believe it when I actually see a picture of a TG plane at JNB.
In related company news, the new TG President has got it in his head that in his possible short-lived stint at the helm of the company, he should leave some marks for the ancestry. As such, this former pilot has, in all his wisdom, come up with the ludicrous idea of further segmenting the Thai brand by launching yet another airline within the airline. The new creature will go through life by the name of Royal Silk, but then spelled and pronounced in Thai (forgive me, there's no way I could ever remember that), and aims to capture the mid-market passenger segment, above that of NOK Air but below the main TG brand, on flights within the region, including to Laos, Myanmar and Vietnam. I wonder if it ever happens, and if so, how long it will last.
Christao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 954 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5450 times:
From the 3rd May Bangkok Post business section, an article about Thai's new airline within an airline, Euarng Luang. (catchy name, isn't it?)
Mr Apinan [President of THAI] yesterday indicated an intention to create the new airline, to operate on domestic routes and flights to neighbouring countries with a two- to three-hour range, in two months.
He said Euarng Luang would be positioned to serve the markets between premium and low-cost, and may start flying later this year within Thailand and to Laos, Cambodia and Burma.
Euarng Luang would be THAI's second sister airline, after the budget airline Nok Air established in 2004.
The proposed airline would allow 46- year-old THAI to concentrate on international and long-haul operations as well as streamlining operations.
It looks like Orient Thai is doing something similar. In the Bangkok Post business section on 4th May:
Orient Thai Airlines has spun off its budget carrier One-Two-Go to create an entity of its own right in a revamp said to be offering growth opportunities and a joint-venture possibility. Orient Thai is in the process of securing a separate flying licence for One-Two-Go which has been flying under its parent carrier's permit since its inception in December 2003.
''We want to establish a clear division between Orient Thai and One-Two-Go to facilitate One-Two-Go's growth plan and paving the way for joint-venture partners,'' said Udom Tantiprasongchai, the founder and chairman of the privately-owned airlines.
One-Two-Go, the first budget carrier launched in Thailand, intends to initially start offering one flight a day from Bangkok to Phitsanulok, Krabi, and Nakhon Si Thammarat, and from Hat Yai to Phuket.
Living here in Bangkok, it doesn't seem to me like there's much of a need for further market segmentation. So we'll wind up with a high-cost/high service option with TG, a low-cost/high service option with Euarng Luang, and a low-cost/low service option with Nok. This will only work if TG gets out of the game on these markets altogether and gives their traffic over to Euarng Luang. But I'm skeptical that on these markets there really is much demang for high-service as most of these flights are 30-90 minutes. There isn't that much service to begin with!
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4538 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5401 times:
The Euarng Luang (Royal Silk) idea is just plain crazy. There is absolutely no need for further market segmentation and there is nothing this new entity could do that either Thai or Nok Air could not already do.
Don't forget that Nok Air is operating a Business Class section within its fleet of B734s. Passengers in this section are offered a drink and a newspaper. So there you have your low cost/middle market service. Thai could easily expand the Nok service to include international flights to regional destinations.
The entire concept of this new entity within Thai is just a silly idea of an incoming president who is looking for a way to establish himself and his time in office. There are, however, plenty of other, and more sensible ways of doing so within TG.
Perhaps. SQ operate SIN-JNB daily with a B777-200ER.
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3): As always with TG, they don't know what they want. When they wanted to start JNB 2 years ago, it would be with B744s. Since then, the JNB-plan has been on and off with frequencies ranging between thrice weekly and daily and with virtually all available equipment, including 744, MD11, A346 and now B772, actually loaded in the reservation systems. I'll believe it when I actually see a picture of a TG plane at JNB.
Daily frequencies provide for higher yields than 3x weekly because business passengers shy away from less than daily service.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6): I think that now the market dynamics is different especially because SA is now a full member of Star and TG could count on SA feeding in JNB.
The question is will SA challenge TG on the route? It seems more likely that SA would put their code on the TG metal in order to raise the frequency to daily. Does the Thai-SA bilateral permit codesharing?
Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5088 times:
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2): CHC was rumoured at one stage, but they struggle a little with AKL at times so until they fix that CHC has no chance. I'd say they might use these 772ER's on the rumoured non stop's to MAD rather than via FCO.
That would have been great. They used to do a DC10/MD11 BKK-CHC-AKL-BKK once a week - may have also stopped in Australia.