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Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11376 times:

Airbus has transferred one of its A380 promotional test aircraft to its Hamburg facility ahead of the Berlin ILA air show later this month.

The aircraft (manufacturer’s serial number 003) was transferred to the Airbus Deutschland Finkenwerder facility this week, where it will be painted for the show, which takes place in Berlin from 16 May.

Airbus is expected to present MSN003 in the livery of German national carrier Lufthansa when it performs demonstration flights at the show, similar to other airline colours presented at recent air shows.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...nsa+livery+for+ILA+Berlin+air.html

IIRC, MSN003 is not part of the flight-test program, and is scheduled to be the first aircraft delivered to SQ. Why would they paint this aircraft with LH livery, particularly when the SQ tail is already on there, when MSN004 is available in generic white livery, and was used for this purpose at Dubai and Singapore?

BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

[Edited 2006-05-04 14:06:03]

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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11298 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Why would they paint this aircraft with LH livery, particularly when the SQ tail is already on there

Can they use LH-decals on MSN0003 also ?
-HT



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

STAR ALLIANCE member's sharing metal  Wink

EK413



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10998 times:

MSN003......Umm it states the aircraft is being transffered to have interior fitted & then return to Toulouse for customer flight testing....

EK413



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 3):
MSN003......Umm it states the aircraft is being transffered to have interior fitted & then return to Toulouse for customer flight testing....

EK413

Gonna be a SIA plane, or at least get dressed like one.
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+to+Hamburg+for+interiors+and.html


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

Interesting, FI completely changed the content of the article since I started the thread as the following originally led the article and is now gone:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Airbus has transferred one of its A380 promotional test aircraft to its Hamburg facility ahead of the Berlin ILA air show later this month.

The aircraft (manufacturer’s serial number 003) was transferred to the Airbus Deutschland Finkenwerder facility this week, where it will be painted for the show, which takes place in Berlin from 16 May.

Airbus is expected to present MSN003 in the livery of German national carrier Lufthansa when it performs demonstration flights at the show, similar to other airline colours presented at recent air shows.

Perhaps the e-mail I sent did the trick. BTW, there wasn't any mention of MSN002 & 007 or cabin customization in the original version of the article.

[Edited 2006-05-04 17:32:44]

User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Interesting to see if the tail will be repainted like the one sported on 004.

User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10480 times:

I doubt that we see the A-380 in LH livery at the ILA until I see it myself. EK is the biggest 380 customer and SQ the launching customer...LH is just a small light as the ILA is under the major air shows.

Georg


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
LH is just a small light as the ILA is under the major air shows.

But the small light annouced the need for more large planes.

pelican


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
But the small light annouced the need for more large planes.

Yes, but do you think that they haven't already decided or will change decision when seeing the A-380 in own colors. We only can wait and see what happens. I would be more happy to have the A-380 in Airbus than in LH colors as the last one will be a common sight in a few years.

Georg


User currently offlineACJAZZAME From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 47 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
LH is just a small light

I would hardly say that they are a small light when they are the A380s second biggest customer.

ACJAZZAME


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380!  Wink

EK413



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Interesting, FI completely changed the content of the article since I started the thread as the following originally led the article and is now gone:

That's what you get for getting up so earily in the morning to scoop the rest of us about the FI articles of the day  Big grin

I had my coffee first and found the second article. I won, for once!  rotfl 
(Although it may be the only time.)


User currently offlineFinkenwerder From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
when MSN004 is available in generic white livery,


Careful on the speculation there......

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

No

[Edited 2006-05-05 09:04:05]

User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

It certainly would not be surprising to see the A380 in Lufthansa's colours at ILA Berlin . . . after all, this is one blue-chip airline that will be flying the A380.

Even Malaysia Airlines got its stickers on the A380 (F-WWOW) during the Asia Pacific Tour in November 2005!

KC Sim


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7271 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)

I think that the Spanish will be annoyed with you.  Yeah sure  box 


User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting Finkenwerder (Reply 13):
Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

No

yes both are still there and no, didn't fly since their arrival.

MSN 002 is painted in Airbus hous colours and is parked outside the hangar on the apron...

Cheers
Tobi



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6610 times:

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 17):
yes both are still there and no, didn't fly since their arrival.

MSN 002 is painted in Airbus hous colours and is parked outside the hangar on the apron...

WOW, IIRC, MSN002 first arrived at XFW in early November. Completing and ground testing the first cabin fit-out has taken more than six months?


User currently offlineFbk From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6528 times:

who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but i have a feeling it is Singapore Airlines.

User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Odd that the first article said that it was already transferred to XFW already, when it hasn't actually happened! Looks like they noticed their blooper and changed the article. And they changed the tone that MSN 3 was going to be painted in LH colours!

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 18):
WOW, IIRC, MSN002 first arrived at XFW in early November. Completing and ground testing the first cabin fit-out has taken more than six months?

Well as you said, it is the first cabin fit etc and that is there to find and solve all problems. And it's not like it's only got 120-odd seats like an A319!


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 20):
Well as you said, it is the first cabin fit etc and that is there to find and solve all problems. And it's not like it's only got 120-odd seats like an A319!

There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 21):
There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.

Who ever said 6 months was a delay?


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 22):
Quoting Glideslope (Reply 21):
There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.

Who ever said 6 months was a delay?

Anticipated test schedules and tasking has changed significantly since the last comprehensive article on the subject last December:

Completion of the first of two test A380s with fully furnished cabins is underway at Hamburg and the aircraft (MSN002) is due to return to flight testing in April ahead of operating a series of “early long flights” in May from Toulouse with Airbus personnel on board. “We will make a virtual first flight of the cabin of MSN002 in March on the ground with full passenger complement and ground infrastructure,” says Champion. Prior to this, a similar exercise will be undertaken using the “Cabin Zero” test rig in Hamburg with a limited number of passengers.

MSN002, which is tasked with 500h of flight testing, is being equipped with a 474-seat, three-class cabin. However, before being completed the cabin will be modified into a high-density 853-seat arrangement for the evacuation trial in around March, says head of A380 industrial design Michael Lau. “This will be achieved by removing bulkheads and galleys to incorporate the extra seats,” he says.

The fourth test A380, MSN007, is due to be ferried to Hamburg for its cabin installation in February, and is set to undertake the route-proving programme in around August. It will later be re-engined to conduct route proving of the Engine Alliance GP7200-powered version.


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...powers+on+through+flight-test.html

MSN007 ended up being used for the evacuation testing, not sure there was ever a news story explaining the reason for the change between 002 and 007.

Nevertheless, Tim Clark seems nervous about the current situation:

Clark also says Airbus faces “huge hurdles” to meet its April 2007 target to deliver the first Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380, of which Emirates is launch operator. “I don’t believe for a moment it won’t be tough,” he says. “So far, it’s so good, but cabin integration is an enormous challenge. If it is looking to go beyond that time we have asked them to be as candid as possible with us. But nothing would surprise us.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+integrate+A350+technology+on.html


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 14):
Even Malaysia Airlines got its stickers on the A380 (

"Even"???

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)

PAD, EK 413 wrote that Germany is also a home ... it's great to see that the "French plan" to call it a french baby didn't work  Smile

Quoting Fbk (Reply 19):
who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but i have a feeling it is Singapore Airlines

It would be new to me, that QF would get the 1st 380. For me it always was SQ.



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25 A319XFW : Yes - note he's more worried about the cabin than wake separation or wing load limit test...
26 EK413 : Fbk Reply 19, posted Fri May 5 2006 12:05:18 UTC+2 and read 1203 times: who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but
27 Barbarian : to clarify, MSN 003 is still in Toulouse, and is expected in Hamburg next week to begin cabin furnishing, before becoming the first aircraft to be han
28 Jorge1812 : So no repainting in LH colors? All the other planes have been painted at TLS, why should they paint the LH one in XFW? I thought delivery was postpon
29 Aviasian : Yes . . . "Even" . . . An earlier reply mentioned that it is doubtful Lufthansa will get her colours on the A380 during ILA Berlin. Since Malaysia Ai
30 Barbarian : Nope, current plan is still the end of 2006 for the first two Singapore aircraft. Although bare in mind that the flight test programme is still ongoi
31 Post contains links and images Boeing777/747 : I saw two livery make over studies at Lila Design's (non-official):
32 Leelaw : Has the "virtual first flight" test taken place, I haven't seen any recent media reports about this?
33 Post contains links and images Jorge1812 : Maybe the one at XFW will be this one Will A380 Be In Virgin Colours On Heathrow Visit (by HARLEYF150 Apr 29 2006 in Civil Aviation) I think in less t
34 Barbarian : No, not yet. Also, don't be suprised if there are fly-by's of the AUK Filton and Broughton sites on the 18th.
35 PADSpot : Oh S*** .. I forgot .... then let's make it French-German-British-Spanish undertaking. Mea Culpa! Well, they do the final assembly, but "we" and the
36 Post contains images A319XFW : MSN 003 arrived in XFW yesterday (Sunday) at 15:01 local time. All a bit of a surprise it came on a Sunday and no one really knew about it (well outsi
37 Post contains images EK413 : Hmmm, okay here goes..... A380 manufactered in France,Germany,UK,Spain,China,Australia....... What other countries can we add to the list EK413
38 RichardPrice : The US, as American firms can make up a significant (in some cases as high as 50%) portion of the A380s parts.
39 Leelaw : Flight International (05/09/06) is reporting that Airbus expects to undertake a 5hr "virtual first flight" in Hamburg this week using the 474 seat ca
40 Post contains links Leelaw : Cabin-equipped A380 lined up for ‘virtual flight’ http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...%80%98virtual+flight%e2%80%99.html
41 Blrsea : " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles....html The article says that this A380 is equipped for 474 seats. Is this equipped as per custom
42 Post contains images Barbarian : Sounds like they may be doing the virtual first flight this week. Not sure who they will use for this, I guess it will be volanteers as per the evac
43 Leelaw : After taking a good look at the diagram of the cabin layout, even at 474 seats, the cabin still seems "cattle carish" to my taste.
44 Post contains links Aviator27 : The 474 seat count is pretty close to what Singapore Airlines is going to configure their A380's with. www.a380.singaporeair.com
45 Blrsea : In that diagram, the front economy seats appear to be 2-4-2 and the rear economy seats are 3-4-3. Is the 2-4-2 something like a premium economy?
46 Jorge1812 : Maybe due to the width of the forward fuselage? Georg
47 Blrsea : From the diagram, it doesn't appear to taper at that cross section. And the economy is well behind the business class seats, so cabin width doesn't a
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