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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Since channel 9 on UA seems to be so popular... why don't other airlines incorporate it into their audio services... It seems to me it wouldn't be that hard to add...

Slovacek747

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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

because people (and/or companies don't want people to know they made mistakes)

Thing is it happens all the time, and because i know the dept of it i'd love to know it on my flight..... not cause i care but more because i'm like a cat



John Hancock
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Thread starter):
Since channel 9 on UA seems to be so popular... why don't other airlines incorporate it into their audio services... It seems to me it wouldn't be that hard to add...

Amazingly, the only time I've heard something like Channel 9 was on an AS flight... None of my UA mainline flights (not that there have been a huge number - maybe a dozen or so) have had Channel 9 turned on.

Since AS doesn't advertise this...and it was on ONE flight, probably about 7-8 years ago...my assumption is that it was either an aircraft they had gotten from someone else or some enterprising captain had rigged something, but I could be wrong.

For the record, I'm pretty sure it wasn't channel 9; I think it was channel 12.



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User currently offlineDC10rules From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

I am guessing here but I would say I have flown UA mainline and Ted roughly 30 or so times over the last half decade and every time channel 9 has been on. Make sure to ask the capt (if he/she is accessible) or the FA if it will be available. I would be willing to bet the flights you had the captain just forgot to flip the switch rather than not granting the service.

Channel 9 is a major deciding factor for a lot of people (who are into aviation) to choose UA and they know this.

JUST ASK!!! (nicely of course lol)

Cheers!


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting DC10rules (Reply 3):
JUST ASK!!! (nicely of course lol)

On my most recent trip where UA was solely on the itenerary due to the aircraft choice (I like widebodies in general, and I was able to get my first 747 and 777 flights by doing LAX-ORD-DTW-PLN-DTW-ORD-LAX), I didn't ask on the first first leg, but on the last leg I asked a FA as she was walking down the asile...

"Excuse me, I was hoping you could tell me if the captain..."

She cut me off "No channel 9 on this flight; we've already asked."

Lincoln



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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Ah yes, the old "one person told me no, so everyone else will too".


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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 5):
Ah yes, the old "one person told me no, so everyone else will too".

Huh?  confused  That's not what he said at all - assuming you're referring to the previous post?


User currently offlineTbnist03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

It would be nice to have other airliners add an atc channel. I would definitely like to listen to that. It would have been interesting to listen to from MSP-HNL.


-Mike
User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3496 times:

I would say that about 75% of the 75 or so UA flights I am on a year carry Channel 9. On virtually every flight (I can remember one where the captain just forgot) that did not have it on, I asked the F/A to ask the captain, and either the captain had already told the F/As during pre-flight that he/she did not intend to use Channel 9, or the Captain said no in response to my question. Some pilots simply refuse to activate it. Insecurity, no doubt!

I doubt that channel 9 is a deciding factor for many people. I'm an airline nut, and I fly UA because of the legroom in Economy Plus, and the choice of flights from my hometown of Chicago. I certainly don't fly it for all of the fees I rack up in flight changes and other BS. I would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 561 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 8):
I doubt that channel 9 is a deciding factor for many people. I'm an airline nut, and I fly UA because of the legroom in Economy Plus, and the choice of flights from my hometown of Chicago. I certainly don't fly it for all of the fees I rack up in flight changes and other BS. I would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.

I choose to fly UA because it has economy plus, and it is Chicago based (my hometown as well... represent.) But also, I have always had good experiences flying UA. I really think that through everything, they have still mantained the same amount of personal service and customer satisfaction. I love hearing "rhapsody in blue" when I board the plane.

I recently flew HKG-ORD. As soon as I got on the plane, I immediately felt at home back in Chicago. That's the thing with UA, wherever you are, you still feel at home. Oh yeah, channel 9 is great too.


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3485 times:

Think about it...how entertaining would it be when listening on a trip such as JFK-LHR, when you wont hear much for a good seven hours!?

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



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User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 8):
would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.

I think you're exactly right, except in times of turbulence or irregular operations. Then I often see many business travelers tune into Ch. 9 to get an update and find out what is going on. Many people, other than just us dorks, rely on Channel 9 in lieu of frequent updates from the cabin as to what is going on. It is particular useful in figuring out when ETD is due to a ORD gate-hold program, e.g...not that that ever happens  Wink



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User currently offlineBestpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Channel 9 is useful for IFR students to listen to the communications between ATC and the professional pilots up front. Useful especially during approach.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9810 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 8):
I doubt that channel 9 is a deciding factor for many people. I'm an airline nut, and I fly UA because of the legroom in Economy Plus, and the choice of flights from my hometown of Chicago. I certainly don't fly it for all of the fees I rack up in flight changes and other BS. I would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.

It is not necessarily a deciding factor, but many small things can add up to a good experience. Like Gordon Bethune said in his book "From Worst to First" you can make a pizza so cheap that no one will want to eat it. United compared to the other of the legacy airlines in the United States offers little perks. There is still fully free IFE on all mainline flights. The 737s have just audio (which is no provided by XM Satellite Radio and quite high quality) and the rest of the fleet also has video. Additionally United still has pillows and blankets. United actually does make its product better than some of its competitors (but it falls short of Continental in that only CO still has free food). So while it is not a make or break decision, channel 9 is a nice feature.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
Amazingly, the only time I've heard something like Channel 9 was on an AS flight... None of my UA mainline flights (not that there have been a huge number - maybe a dozen or so) have had Channel 9 turned on.

Since AS doesn't advertise this...and it was on ONE flight, probably about 7-8 years ago...my assumption is that it was either an aircraft they had gotten from someone else or some enterprising captain had rigged something, but I could be wrong.

For the record, I'm pretty sure it wasn't channel 9; I think it was channel 12.

I really struggle to believe that. Alaska does not have audio entertainment on its planes. It offers portable video players on select flights, but it didn't have anything 7-8 years ago. This must have been a fluke. Could you have actually been on a different airline or have been on a different plane? I don't think it is possible, but weirder things have happened.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
This must have been a fluke. Could you have actually been on a different airline or have been on a different plane?

I'm >90% sure it was AS...Like I said, since it was one aircraft, one flight, and no announcement or anything was made (about any audio IFE, let alone ATC-- actually, thinking about it, I don't remember any programming on other channels), I have to assume that it was a fluke. The flight would have been either PDX-ONT or PDX-LAX, most likely the former, operated by AS as part of a an ONT-PDX-MFR-PDX-ONT itinerary.

Unfourtinately, it was before I really go into avaition, so I don't have any concrete details. Is it possible that AS acquired/leased an aircraft from someone else and didn't disable it? I don't know.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

What I know about UA 9:

1. I love it...what a great twist on taking a flight. I love the fact that I get to hear all those aviation folks making jokes, requests, sarcastic remarks, and plain 'ole chatter.

2. Because it is at the UA pilots' discretion whether to use it or not, I've been on several UA flights that have not had it on, even after I asked the FA to ask the cockpit whether it will be on or not.

3. I don't understand why, but I've now been on 3 UA 763s that the pilot said it would be on, and it remained off the entire flight...what's the deal?! Bad seat? I thought so, but after three flights?!?!?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9810 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
Unfourtinately, it was before I really go into avaition, so I don't have any concrete details. Is it possible that AS acquired/leased an aircraft from someone else and didn't disable it? I don't know.

I guess something is possible, but United is the only airline that offers from the flight deck tower communications. I don't think it could have been that AS got a second hand airplane since United and Alaska don't operate any of the same planes, but 7-8 years ago AS might have still had a few 727s flying around.

Is there a chance that it was a United plane operating the flight? It could have been some strange event, but I'm doubtful it would be an Alaska operated plane.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

To be honest I have never really listened to it, more of a need/want to see it, then want to hear it type of person.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 7):
It would be nice to have other airliners add an atc channel. I would definitely like to listen to that. It would have been interesting to listen to from MSP-HNL.

Don't know if those old DC-10s could handle it! LMAO! I can just see someone changing to CH9 only to have the landing gear deploy at FL33K! LMAO!

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 9):
I recently flew HKG-ORD. As soon as I got on the plane, I immediately felt at home back in Chicago. That's the thing with UA, wherever you are, you still feel at home. Oh yeah, channel 9 is great too.

I feel the same way. As a native of Chicago, I always felt that moment I stepped onto a UA plane, I was already home. It also helps that practically every UA flight seems to go through ORD at some point...



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User currently offlineDC10rules From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 18):
feel the same way. As a native of Chicago, I always felt that moment I stepped onto a UA plane, I was already home. It also helps that practically every UA flight seems to go through ORD at some point...

Ditto

Cheers!


User currently offlineMCIFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 8):
I would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.

I guess what we really need are Arbitron numbers for IFE on UA!

(unfortunately, because so many of the people who listen to Channel 9 - like us A-nutters) are involved in the aviation industry, they'd all be disqualified from keeping Arbitron diaries!

I always enjoy listening to Channel 9 - especially ground, departure, and approach. (It's also interesting to listen when passing near the Grand Canyon - flight crew asking for the sightseeing diversion.) I'm headed to SGN in a few weeks and am looking forward to 15+ hrs of Channel 9 in C on the ORD-HKG leg!


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Just got back from LAS,and both ways out of IAD the capt announced that ch9 was available , and what our c/s was going to be.
I also won the contest they had on the plane. You had to guess 'Ted's' weight when 'he' took off from IAD. I came the closest @ 158,000 lb. Captain told me that he never saw anyone get that close (1,700lb). I won 2 tickets to Blue Man Group.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting MCIFlyer (Reply 20):
I'm headed to SGN in a few weeks and am looking forward to 15+ hrs of Channel 9 in C on the ORD-HKG leg

Don't want to burst your bubble but most pilots switch channel 9 off once they move to HF over the open water. I've heard it on a couple of occasions and even then it's hard to make out as some of the other traffic on the net was really far away. Consider packing an iPod! Happy travels...


777fan



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User currently offlineMcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

My experiance has been that channel 9 is turned off over water, then turned back on as land approaches. It's always fun to hear the Irish controllers on the way to LHR.

The most interesting channel nine expeience was on a flight IAH - DEN. Once cruise altitude was reached the first officer turned off the atc and provided a disscussion on channel 9 about flying. He really wanted to emphasize how incredeably safe air travel is. What I recall most was the experience of the two piliots. He (the first officer) described his background as "ex-Air Force, flew F-117 and F-15 aircraft, left Air Force as F-15 squadron commander, 12,000 hours total time"; he described the captain's experience as "Vietnam era F-4 pilot, 100 missions over North Vietnam, 'hundreds' of carrier landings, stopped counting hours after reaching 30,000 hours total time".

I was really struck by the level of experience of these two pilots, I felt like I was in good hands!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
Since AS doesn't advertise this...and it was on ONE flight, probably about 7-8 years ago...my assumption is that it was either an aircraft they had gotten from someone else or some enterprising captain had rigged something, but I could be wrong.

All modern commercial aircraft can patch the ATC feed into an audio channel if the pilots want to. Remember the recent thing where the ATC guy asked his girlfriend to marry him and the Air Canada pilot patched him through on the PA? Same thing. The cockpit has final control over the system and can do some interesting things with it based on the wireing

Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 8):
I would be surprised if more than 10 people listen to Channel 9 on a typical 320 or 737 load. I would love to be proven wrong on this.

Probably a bit more that than

Quoting Mcg (Reply 23):
My experiance has been that channel 9 is turned off over water, then turned back on as land approaches. It's always fun to hear the Irish controllers on the way to LHR.

It isn't that it is turned off over water, it is that they don't really talk to anyone unless talking to another airplane on VHF



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25 777fan : Correct - HF is the rule over water. VHF is occasionally used between a/c in proximity to one another. I've seen this to be the case on a few recent
26 LorM : Yes it can and is turned off. On UA's 757,767 and 737s there is an observer audio switch in the cockpit that allows these 3 aircraft to have the chan
27 N1120A : I didn't say that it can't be turned off. I am well aware that Channel 9 can be turned off on any of United's aircraft.
28 Darrenthe747 : my recent flight on UAL 901 (EDDF-KSFO) we had channel 9 for most of the 12 hour flight. It was very interesting to hear a speedbird (BA) 747 also enr
29 Electech6299 : I dunno, this strikes me of two very possible scenarios, related to the post below: 1) Some pilots speech could raise enough eyebrows that their mana
30 CX777Fan : United inflight service is wonderful isn't it. I had a similar experience when I tried to ask a FA to ask if ch 9 could be switched on on a flight fr
31 Christao17 : I had a similar experience where instead of interrupting the flight with announcements about landmarks we were flying over, the captain let us know b
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