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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.

Gee!!!! It is too bad they didn't get Mr Tilton, there is one CEO that made out of Bankruptcy like a bandit and needs some time in the "gulag" for such grandstanding!



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.

Zero


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.

Nice try, but actually his position was eliminated as a result of UA merging FF and CG operations. He declined to take another position at UA, so he is out the door.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 3):
Zero

Give it a year or so and that could change. I'd look for UA to wet-lease some cargo lift in the interim.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 4):
Give it a year or so and that could change. I'd look for UA to wet-lease some cargo lift in the interim.

I don't think they can, I believe it's prohibited by the remaining scope language in the pilot's CBA.


User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days?

No cargo-only planes, but UA carries a huge amount of cargo on all the widebodies, especially in the Pacific.


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

When's Tague out the door? The sooner, the better for UA.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least

Is this the statement made by UA or is this your take on the situation? Does having an MBA automatically make a manager a bean counter? Just wondering.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8):
Is this the statement made by UA or is this your take on the situation? Does having an MBA automatically make a manager a bean counter?

Most MBA's are looked upon by workers as either bean counters or suits. The often have little regard for the businesses they are supposed to improve. As Dilbert would point out, those are the guys who launch companies into death spirals. They usually transform the company into a cult first.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1652 times:
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 9):
Most MBA's are looked upon by workers as either bean counters or suits. The often have little regard for the businesses they are supposed to improve. As Dilbert would point out, those are the guys who launch companies into death spirals. They usually transform the company into a cult first.

That is a ridiculous statement. It is ignorant, insulting, inappropriate, and wrong. In some industries, management is looked upon poorly, yes. But that does not mean they have little regard for the businesses they try to improve. The people who think that often have little, if any, knowledge of the levers that need to be pulled to grow a business and just can't stand that the interests of the business overall are not perfectly inline with theirs. Or, more than likely the interests of the businesses ARE inline with theirs, they are just too blind to see it, and so resist for the sake of resisting and short-term benefit.

Time and time again, it is THIS attitude that kills good companies.

(I'm not defending airline management and their golden parachutes, but this is a gross generalization and completely uncalled for)


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