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No 777 Orders In 2006?  
User currently offlineCuprita From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

¿Someone know if soon some airline will buy 777?....Because this year the Boeing site have 0 orders


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

It's obviously an out-dated program that needs closing down as it's hemmoraging cash (insert sarcasm emoticon here!)

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

So? did the A380 already received some orders this year? no.


Im sure that we will see an order in the upcomming days/weeks for the 777.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 2):
So? did the A380 already received some orders this year? no.

It was a joke, both the T7 and whalejet are great programs that have great backlogs


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
It was a joke, both the T7 and whalejet are great programs that have great backlogs

I love that Whalejet name  rotfl 



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User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

This must be the 5th topic in a month we had on this subject, getting a lil tirering. Hope this answers your question

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2713093

cheers, Konstantin G.

[Edited 2006-05-05 12:18:33]

User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
whalejet

Whalejet........ Where did you get this idea from? Scouseflyer

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
It's obviously an out-dated program that needs closing down as it's hemmoraging cas

The best years for 777 are gone. This technology is getting old (1995).
787 and A350 will slowly kill potentinal 777 orders.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6):
The best years for 777 are gone. This technology is getting old (1995).
787 and A350 will slowly kill potentinal 777 orders.

Possibly - if the 787 and A350 prove to be a step change in operating costs but untill larger versions of those 2 appear nothing will match the T7 in capacity (unless you start buying 748s or A380)


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6541 times:
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Quoting Intothinair (Reply 5):
This must be the 5th topic in a month we had on this subject, getting a lil tirering. Hope this answers your question

Lets create a duplicate topic just to spite you. Ha ha! Just kidding, of course.


User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

But last year, T7 has some great orders from several big airline operator. So is it out-dated? I dun think so.


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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

It's barely 5 months into the year... and folks here on A.NET are worried... geesh, get a life...

The larger the plane the more of a niche it gets... and less orders are expected. IOW, don't expect the A380 to sell as much as the 747...dont expect the 777 to sell as much as the 787... don't expect the 787 to see as much as the A320...



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6):
The best years for 777 are gone. This technology is getting old (1995).

emm. No, how about the 747 series is 36 years old and still sells, so what you talking about?? maybe russian jets are "old" but the 777 isnt for sure.

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6):
The best years for 777 are gone. This technology is getting old (1995).
787 and A350 will slowly kill potentinal 777 orders.

Just the 772 and 772ER are at SOME risk.

The 772LR and LRF and the 773ER will be hot sellers until Y3. I have no doubt.

Freighter versions will probably sell long after Y3 is flying just like the 747F is selling well long after the 773 took its sales.

Or were you just bashing Boeing with no regard to the facts?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6):
The best years for 777 are gone.

I'd rather doubt that. The first generation of 777 (-200, -300 and -200ER) is winding down but the 777-300ER is destined to be a huge seller (in my opinion) and the -200F will sell steadily for a long time to come.

Boeing has so far sold 827 777s of all variants. I don't think it's out of the question that they'll hit 1,500 before the line closes down. The 787 may replace the 777 at the lower end of the capacity range but the -300ER and the -200F won't have serious competitors for several years.


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
I'd rather doubt that. The first generation of 777 (-200, -300 and -200ER) is winding down but the 777-300ER is destined to be a huge seller (in my opinion) and the -200F will sell steadily for a long time to come.

I would add the 772LR to that list. There is nothing like it... even the proposed 787-10 will not be as capable.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 14):
I would add the 772LR to that list. There is nothing like it... even the proposed 787-10 will not be as capable.

True, but I left it out because I just can't see it being a huge seller. It's a niche aircraft and, no doubt, a valuable addition to the line but it'll be the -300ER that rakes in the $$$ for Boeing (and GE).


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
don't think it's out of the question that they'll hit 1,500 before the line closes down. The 787 may replace the 777 at the lower end of the capacity range but the -300ER and the -200F won't have serious competitors for several years.

More than eleven years of production and it didn't even hit a thousand orders number. Maybe if there wouldn't be A330 and A340 or even A350 (I think they will build a least 300 pax version in 3 class) and maybe enlarged 787.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 16):
More than eleven years of production and it didn't even hit a thousand orders number.

It would be remarkable if any widebody reached 1,000 sales in a decade. That would mean an average of 100 sales a year - that's quite something. No widebody has ever maintained that kind of sales rate. Take the 767. Being smaller than the 777, you might expect it to have sold more. In fact, it has been on sale for almost 28 years (the first sale was in July 1978) and it has so far amassed "just" 969 - that's an average of 35 a year. The 747 has been on sale for just over 40 years (  wideeyed  ) and has sold 1,430. That's 36 a year.

The first 777 sale was in October 1990. By the end of 2005 (i.e after 15 years) 827 had been sold: an average of 55 a year. By any measure, the 777 is selling far faster than any previous Boeing widebody.


User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 16):
More than eleven years of production and it didn't even hit a thousand orders number. Maybe if there wouldn't be A330 and A340 or even A350 (I think they will build a least 300 pax version in 3 class) and maybe enlarged 787.

Wow, in that case the A330 must be a real failure. Afterall, it only got 517 orders in it's first 12 years. What's that? you want to count the a340 too? Well at the end of 2004 (the A330 had been on the market for 12 years, and the A340 almost 14) both the A330 and A340 combined for 891 orders, not much more than the 777 by itself. Get your facts stragiht before you start jumping to conclusions. They're already making a 300 pax version in 3 class for the A350. . .it's called the A350-900.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 16):
More than eleven years of production and it didn't even hit a thousand orders number.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you seriously need to take some time and learn about commercial aviation, both today and in the past, before making posts like this. It clearly shows an ignorance to what this board is about.

Just to add to PM's excellent post: until the advent of the 787, the 777 has been the best-selling widebody jetliner in history.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

It's amazing how often a thread can degenerate on here - my post was in jest (It's obviously an out-dated program that needs closing down as it's hemmoraging cash (insert sarcasm emoticon here!) ) as the T7 is a fantastic plane and is unique in being such a large twin.

It is in no way finished.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6):
The best years for 777 are gone. This technology is getting old (1995).
787 and A350 will slowly kill potentinal 777 orders.

Just about every A350 and B787 ordered so far could potentially have been a B777 order.

Quoting W3ndytj4n (Reply 9):
But last year, T7 has some great orders from several big airline operator. So is it out-dated? I dun think so.

I think 2005 was the last year in which the B777 will garner 100 orders. Now is twilight.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 11):
No, how about the 747 series is 36 years old and still sells, so what you talking about??

Until the B787-10 becomes available, nothing beats the B747-8 SuperJumbo in CASM. The B777 can't make a boast like that.

Quoting PM (Reply 13):

Boeing has so far sold 827 777s of all variants. I don't think it's out of the question that they'll hit 1,500 before the line closes down.

I think 1500 is out of the question. I think 1200 is optimistic. 1000 is likely, but not in the bag yet.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 14):
I would add the 772LR to that list. There is nothing like it... even the proposed 787-10 will not be as capable.

The initial B787-10 will not be able to perform all B777-200LR missions, but Boeing are looking at adding a center 2-wheel bogey and increasing the MTOW. I hestitate to predict when a B787-10ER might EIS (2015 or so perhaps?), but when it does, it will outperform the B777-200LR in payload, range, cabin floor area, LD3 capacity, and CASM. I expect most, if not all, B777-200LRs will be converted to freighters by 2020.


User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6003 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
It's amazing how often a thread can degenerate on here - my post was in jest (It's obviously an out-dated program that needs closing down as it's hemmoraging cash (insert sarcasm emoticon here!) ) as the T7 is a fantastic plane and is unique in being such a large twin.

It is in no way finished.

I thought it was pretty obvious you were just joking afterall you even put (Insert sarcasm emoticon. . )". I just took exception to Pavlin's ignorance of comparing 777's great sales to other widebodies some great, and some not so great. The A330 is a great airplane along with the A320, 737, 777. The A340, 767, 757, are good, but I wouldn't consider them great.


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
Quoting PM (Reply 13):

Boeing has so far sold 827 777s of all variants. I don't think it's out of the question that they'll hit 1,500 before the line closes down.

I think 1500 is out of the question. I think 1200 is optimistic. 1000 is likely, but not in the bag yet.

I would say the 1000 mark is very possible if you look at the backlog.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 23):

I would say the 1000 mark is very possible if you look at the backlog.

I agree that 1000 is very possible, but 827 includes the backlog.


25 A319XFW : Ah right, didn't realise that - I couldn't find the status anywhere. Another 30-40 a year over the next 5 or so years should get the 1000 full then.
26 Zvezda : That sounds about right. Perhaps more than that this year and fewer in 2010.
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...the -200LR/-200F/-300ER will still sell in good numbers.... a 787 version might eventually oudo the 777-200LR..but even if so, that's a almost a d
28 DeltaDC9 : No Boeing jet has ever had a run less than 1000 IIRC. MD products dont count.... No reason for such a unique plane with no real direct competitor to b
29 Zvezda : 1000 is an excellent run for any widebody. There is no question that the B777 has been a great success for Boeing. That's possible, but how much low-
30 787engineer : AFAIK, the 767 hasn't reached 1,000 yet, it's close but not quite there.
31 Jacobin777 : i completely agree....it will be interesting to see........I think Boeing will probably weigh out some "cost versus improvement" numbers and discuss
32 DeltaDC9 : True, but the line is still running, and I am optimistic that it will continue to sell at a low rate for a while, long eough to exceed 1000.
33 Post contains images Texfly101 : Yes, what with the GE90 capabilities and the 200F, this will continue for quite a while. Even if the A350 takes out the bottom end 200, there is stil
34 Post contains images PM : My guess is that the last 777 off the line (whenever that happens) will be a freighter. In other words, what happened to the A300 & DC-10/MD-11 lines
35 Zvezda : How far is your horizon? My guess is that a 75 meter B787-11X will replace the B777-300ER. I think two years from now this will be as clear as the B7
36 PM : They need to sell another 31. They've sold 4 so far this year and 19 last year, 9 in 2004 and 11 in 2003. I'd say 1,000 will be touch and go (not cou
37 DeltaDC9 : IIRC there are other military applications also that may generate orders.
38 PM : Yeah, maybe. But there has to be a limit beyond which the 787 cannot be stretched and when would such a version be available? Airlines would face the
39 A342 : The 772A has already been killed by the A333. The 772A has at max. 10 outstanding orders, while the A333 has some 60 and it's still selling.
40 PM : According to the Boeing website, five - four for ANA and one for JAL (all with PW). The last order for the -200 was in December 2001 (for 3 from ANA)
41 A342 : Definitely.
42 Zvezda : Ultimately, there is the 80x80 box that Airbus, Boeing, and most of the world's large airports all agreed to. A B787-12X would be 81 meters long -- I
43 PM : If that's the question then it must be related to the cost of developing a 787-11. The 777-300ER development is paid for. What would it cost to devel
44 Post contains images Keesje : So the A340 outsold the B777 this year?
45 PM : Yep. So far, so good, Keesje. (Though I suspect you have no sense of history!)
46 Post contains images Zvezda : Production costs of a B787 are much, much lower than production costs of a B777. Also, a B787-11X would offer B777-300ER performance but with at leas
47 Jacobin777 : I think the onus will lie on whether or not the engine manufacturers will be able to develop an engine with enough thrust and efficiency within the n
48 Zvezda : Right. The B787-10 will not be able to perform all B777-200LR missions, but those it can perform will be at about 30% less fuel consumption. It's not
49 CWFan : This is a fascinating discussion. (And a very civil one, too!) It seems that the 787 family is a real gold mine for Boeing, regardless of the 350 upgr
50 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I agree..most will be more than delighted with the 787-10...it will basically perform what it needs to for the majority of the carriers.... unless fo
51 Zvezda : A B787-9ER, a B787-10ER, and a B787-11X all depend on the availability of engines with well above 80K lbs thrust. A B787-10ER with the payload/range
52 KevinBG : Yeah, the plane's technology is 11 years old. The 747, the 737? They're new, right? Heck, the 330/340 are just an A300 without a yolk. Oh, and new di
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