SNbirdy From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 39130 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5): what aircraft are under that mess?
Well what I've read on the website off a belgian newspaper (Het Laatste Nieuws) is that at least one Armavia A320 and one belgian military C-130 have been destroyed.
A Jetairfly Boeing was parked in the other hanger (seen in picture 2) but was not damaged and has now been parked elsewhere. It should normally have performed a flight to Alicante this morning (06:00 local), but they leased a Boeing 757 instead to do the job (departed 12:00 local).
Desh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 218 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 37011 times:
Holly Cow ! That must have been quite a blaze .... not sure if Armavia is going to be all that worse off - insurrance will cover it. Just hope everyone got out OK ......
"History is merely a list of surprises. It can only prepare us to be surprised yet again." - Kurt Vonnegut
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 34812 times:
Wow ... the heat in there must have been tremendous. A very good example of how high heat fatally weakens a steel-truss structure. Airplanes are replaceable, people are not; in a fire like that, goal #1 has to be GET OUTSIDE. You never know when (and that's when, not if) that roof is going to come down.
Looks like it pulled the front wall down with it, too. I well imagine, any aircraft in there not damaged by fire/heat likely was by falling debris. And falling steel trusses are pretty heavy. Not a good day ...
Hangar fires always amaze me. Here you have this giant open space, and usually it's a basic steel building, and yet it gets that involved fire-wise. Just wow.
A330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 34725 times:
Have a look here and scroll down to see more pictures. Go further down and see pictures of the building still burning. Click on the pictures themselves to enlarge:
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34532 times:
Quoting Litz (Reply 22): Wow ... the heat in there must have been tremendous. A very good example of how high heat fatally weakens a steel-truss structure. Airplanes are replaceable, people are not; in a fire like that, goal #1 has to be GET OUTSIDE. You never know when (and that's when, not if) that roof is going to come down.
Looks like it pulled the front wall down with it, too. I well imagine, any aircraft in there not damaged by fire/heat likely was by falling debris. And falling steel trusses are pretty heavy. Not a good day ...
Hangar fires always amaze me. Here you have this giant open space, and usually it's a basic steel building, and yet it gets that involved fire-wise. Just wow.
Alas we all know now how hot burning jet-A is, and what temperature steel structural supports melt at.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
25 Nijltje: First rumor: Engineers where cleaning the planes inside with White spirit. So fire started insede a plane
26 Timboflier215: Whoah! you can see in the first few pics of the hanger burning that it was concentrated on the right-hand side. The fire service were in attendance,
27 RobK: Three Armenian planes destroyed in three days . EK-32001 & EK-32010 in the hangar and EK-32009 in the Black Sea. Is somebody trying to tell them somet
28 Viper911: 2 X Armavia ? what a bad new for the company 1 lost in the crash 2 days ago now another 3? man that's sad
29 A330DAT: Well, it would seem to be the four aircraft I have shown above, namely: -C-130 Hercules of the Belgian Air Force CH-02 -Airbus A320 of Armavia EK-3201
30 Scouseflyer: I'd say that badly damaged is an underestimation, that plane's going nowhere!
31 OlegShv: This is very depressing news for Armavia considering their other A320 crashed a couple days ago. Let's hope they will be able to recover from those lo
32 Leelaw: Congratulations on having your photo published in the latest FI story: Pictures: Probe begins into Sabena Technics hangar fire http://www.flightgloba
33 474218: Does Flight International really think tempaturers of 100C (212F) would cause steel beams to buckle?
34 Apuneger: It was stated on the local Belgian TV that the steel would start bending at 500°C. Anyway, quite a bad day for BRU and Sabena Technics. When I went
35 Aeroflot777: A very unlucky week for Armavia and the country of Armenia in general. I hope everything works out as soon as possible. Reading the news, Armenian and
37 474218: That would make more sense. Maybe Flight International needs a new proof reader?
38 OD720: This is really terrible! Is the EK-32001 confirmed as the aircraft affected by the fire. I think Armavia were considering using that A320 until they f
39 Stretch: WOW! Amazing photos. Glad there were no injuries that we've heard of. I am simply amazed by the damage. Anyone know how long this fire took from start
40 SNbirdy: Thank you, but I always hoped it would have been under better circumstances.
41 TrnsWrld: I sat for a couple minutes and looked at the pics. I have no idea where you happen to see the rear section of an aircraft anywhere in those pics. Car
43 Starlionblue: I'm curious about insurance. I understand it will be paid out and stuff, but how soon can the operator get a new aircraft? All the A320 production slo
44 Scorpio: There were. 6 people were injured, including two Sabena Technics employees and 4 firefighters. All but one (one of the SN Technics people) were minor
45 Drinkstrolley: They're having a bloody good week...........
46 Electech6299: According to A330DAT, it's the first pic in this thread. You have to click the link enlarge it to see it. (I saved it and opened it in a photo viewer
47 Petertenthije: That little smur in indeed the Armavia plane. All you can see is the APU exhaust and a tiny bit of rear fuselage. The rest is covered with hangar. A
48 11Bravo: " target=_blank>http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_m...shtml Thanks for the link. Now I see it.
49 Electech6299: Yup, thanks for the link. The fourth picture has a pretty good view too, it's a bit easier to make out.
50 Padster: just wondering if this was the same hanger in which the crashed Armavia plane was serviced not too long ago , and if so was the service records were h
51 Electech6299: In the states at least, service records are held in duplicate off-site. While all the facts are not yet known, I wouldn't think Sabena would have any
52 Naritaflyer: And your point is? I thought the workers would be asked to stay inside while the aircraft are rescued.... Sheesh...
54 Padster: well if not the service records , maybe somthing else related ... well we will wait see what any investigation finds ...
55 Scorpio: It's already been confirmed by an SN technics spokesperson that all records are indeed held in duplicate, so none of them have been lost.
56 Galapagapop: Sad indeed. My question does that hangar have that chemical foam that is let out upon a sensor picking up a spark or flame, where the doors to the che
57 Atmx2000: Of course there is the possibility someone is targetting the airline, and Sabena is just an unlucky bystander. Insurance fraud?
58 DAYflyer: Ouch! That will put a big dent in the insurance companies coffers.. Depending on the age and aircraft options it is liekly between 200-250 Million $
59 Scorpio: The planes Gkirk reports in the reply you quoted are not the correct one. Affected planes are 1 Armavia A320, 1 Armenian Airlines A320, a Hellas Jet
60 Bh4007: It wouldnt suprise me if this week takes Armavia down with it. They must owe so much money? (I'm sure that's the lease of some people's worries) Not a
61 BA: This is a very unfortunate incident, but I am glad there were no deaths. I especially feel bad for Armavia... There is something called insurance...
62 Bh4007: Is it similar to most other "policies" in that the more claims you make the higher your "premium"? (not sure on the aviation terms for insurance!)
63 F9Animal: Edited due to brain being frozen solid. Wow, that is too bad for Armavia. It is suspicious though. How many planes does Armavia have?[Edited 2006-05-0
64 Jetset7E7: Now they have: 1 A319: EK-32011 1 A320: EK-32008 Mark
65 LVZXV: I think they have an Il-86 too, the Tu-134 I know they got rid of. Anyone would have thought that Armavia had burned-down an orphanage for that much
66 BA: I honestly am no expert on aviation insurance, but I am sure the premiums would go up. And 2 Yakovlev Yak-42s and 1 Ilyushin Il-86. View Large View M
67 NA: Aviation-safety.net, the most comprehensive website on airliner accidents, lists all 4 aircraft as "presumably damaged beyond repair". While looking a
68 Hawker: Quoting Litz "Hangar fires always amaze me. Here you have this giant open space, and usually it's a basic steel building, and yet it gets that involve
69 Katekebo: I'm somewhat surprized that the fire was not controlled faster and the whole hangar burned out. The airport should have pretty impressive firefighting
70 747ENG: There is another co-incidence. I think in 1997 there was a large fire in the Boeing Store buildings, part of the Sabena complex at the time, nobody in
71 OD720: I think Armavia will get bankrupt sometime this year. Such loses, even though covered by insurance, are too much for a small airline which was trying
72 StarGoldLHR: I'm a bit suspicious. Remember that Sibir / DHL mid-air crash. As soon as it was known it Was the swiss ATC's fault... he was assasinated by Russians
73 Scorpio: How refreshing to see the conspiracy theorists have already reared their ugly heads in this case again...
74 OD720: I've never heard that word before either! Probably they will destroy the other 2 Airbuses as well to hide all evidence.
75 StarGoldLHR: Whatever. Your venturing into the ridiculous now. Here's another quote from a solicitor friend of mine.. It's hard to believe someone is telling the
76 OD720: You're pushing me to the limit to be sarcastic. The A320 crash is most likely due to human error since the pilot doesn't report any technical problem
77 Scorpio: You're. And tell me, who's 'venturing into the ridiculous' most: the one making a sarcastic comment, or the one who, without the tiniest little bit o
78 StealthZ: That is a stretch, almost 2 years after the crash between planes of DHL and BASHKIRIAN Airlines the husband/father of 3 Russian victims stabbed to de
79 LTBEWR: Considering the number of aircraft involved, the total loss of the building, lost parts, tools, equipment, interior furnishings, loss of use of the bu
80 Nijltje: The Belgium Ministery of Defense will provide an hangar to Sabena Technics to continue the maintenance.
81 BDKLEZ: You really do have to feel sorry for Armavia. As if things weren't bad enough in the last week!
82 BA: Please don't be ridiculous and stop with these conspiracy theories. Let's wait and see what the investigation concludes.
83 Starlionblue: Insurance companies reinsure with other insurance companies, so their liability isn't excessive. Carrying this much risk is a very bad idea. Reinsura
84 Alitalia744: the ghost of swissair past trying to ruin what little is left of sabena? at least everyone's ok. and no great harm done, just a few less airbusses in
85 TheSonntag: If we are cynical we couls say that there are only winners after this fire: Lawyers will have their jobs secured for quite some time, Airbus can build
86 Electech6299: So tell me, how do you tell when they really ARE telling the truth? As I mentioned before, Sabena is not likely to be involved if there is foul play
87 777ER: When will we know if all the aircraft are a W/O and which can be fixed, or does the airlines already know? Any one able to get any pics of the aircraf
88 L-188: Sort of sadly reminds me of the shots of the RV hanger fire back in the 1970's when the FAA destroyed the hanger, one of their flight-check DC-3's a R
89 Petertenthije: Fortunately none of them will loose their jobs. The Belgian ministry of defence has decided to hire the lot of them. They will work on modernising th
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