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UA Vs. AA In Chicago  
User currently offlineUAL#1fan From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

We just had a super-long thread on Continental battling Delta in New York City advertising. Do United and American have an intense ad rivalry in Chicago? Both have large hubs at O'Hare, though I think United is the winner in the battle for traffic. Do any of you know if UA or AA carries more passengers in Chicago?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11973 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting UAL#1fan (Thread starter):
Do United and American have an intense ad rivalry in Chicago?

I don't know for sure, and Chicagoans would definitely know more than me, but I would guess that it probably used to be more bitter and more intense. Both companies now have bigger fish to fry, in the macro sense and in Chicago in particular with Southwest, etc., so I don't think they really have as much need for duking it out with each other quite so intensely anymore. That being said, both do still remain competitive in the market, and that includes advertising and local marketing.

Quoting UAL#1fan (Thread starter):
Both have large hubs at O'Hare, though I think United is the winner in the battle for traffic. Do any of you know if UA or AA carries more passengers in Chicago?

United definitely has a much larger operation at O'Hare with more flights, carrying more passengers. However, American is still a strong #2, with a strong presence and a very competitive market position. American has a very strong corporate and individual following in the Chicagoland area, albeit not as big as United.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

I sure wish I could help you on passenger numbers. I have no idea.

I can tell you from observation that UA's operations seem MUCH larger larger at ORD than is AA. Everytime I have arrived/departed or transferred at ORD on United, the place makes Grand Central Station seem like a ghost town. Even at 6 AM (I have arrived after a red-eye from SAN at 4:30 AM!!) when it's just coming to life, it gets busy very quickly.

AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

My two cents.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11973 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

It may also have something to do with the fact that AA's Terminal 3 is in the midst of a major, multi-year, multi-million-dollar renovation that is going to rework the ticketing lobby, curbside, security, etc.


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8237 times:

Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.

Well, United still kills AA in trans-pacific flights out of ORD...in terms of sheer frequency and destinations. AA does have plenty of frequency on most of their flights, mainly because they pretty much put MD-80's on every domestic route out of ORD...anywhere you wanna go from ORD, odds are you will get there on an MD-80:

SFO, SEA, LAX, DFW, LGA, DEN, DCA, etc...

whereas UA still flies a lot of larger aircraft on their routes (SFO, SEA, LAX, DEN, etc...).

They still have quite a bit of frequency on these, however.



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8096 times:
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United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American. A bonus to American that United doesnt have is that American Eagle arrives and departs out of Conourse G in Terminal 3 where AA is while United Express departs out of Terminal 2 concourse F.

However, I do notice a bigger presence of United than American.

Alliancewise, I see a bigger presence of Star Alliance in Chicago than Skyteam and OneWorld.

Leo



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8083 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
whereas UA still flies a lot of larger aircraft on their routes (SFO, SEA, LAX, DEN, etc...).

I used to notice the same thing about DL and their 76's and L10's out of DFW.

Interesting correlation...



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User currently offlineScrappy74 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 97 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American.

And there's nothing quite like the underground walkway connecting Charlie and Bravo terminals at ORD...I fit in with the little kids staring at the neon lights :-P

UA by far a larger op at ORD than AA; many times more gates, lots of big a/c's (was there today, even in my limited time in the terminals I saw four UA 744s and countless 772s take off).



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

I don't know the official numbers, but United is the larger airline. Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally. I can't substantiate these numbers, but I have been told that about 40% of AA's traffic is connecting traffic, while the number is much higher for United (but I can't be sure because all I remember is that one of my old coworker's brother is in charge of the ORD expansion project, so my information was quite shady and not reliable).

While living in the general vicinity of ORD (Rockford), I have noticed far more advertising by United. UA advertises that they are the home town airline and that they have more nonstop flights to more destinations. I think I have seen some AA billboards and newspaper ads, but United has way more advertising in the area. AA has particularly ugly billboards.

I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ. Also United has higher frequency on almost every route and bigger planes. If I am flying to LAX would I want to fly a UA 777 with the chance to upgrade to their international business class product or a lousy AA MD80? The choice is easy. AA removed pillows and has no IFE on the MD80s, yet UA has IFE including channel 9 on all mainline flights.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

I think AA has roughly 500 daily flights compared to United having about 650 daily (this includes any express/eagle flights)

User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

This is not meant to turn into a U v A, because I could care less about either one... or about ORD. But some things just don't make sense...

Quoting Scrappy74 (Reply 8):
many times more gates

More... or "many times more". Very different.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally.
.....
I have noticed far more advertising by United.

Then it doesn't seem like their local advertising is working if AA has more O&D.

Quote:

UA advertises that they are the home town airline and that they have more nonstop flights to more destinations.

More flights... but according to the previous statement about AA having more O&D, doesn't seem like it's "home town" as much as "pass through here".



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting Utapao (Reply 11):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally.
.....
I have noticed far more advertising by United.

Then it doesn't seem like their local advertising is working if AA has more O&D.

I believe that United actually has more O/D passengers than AA in addition to having more connecting passengers. It is just the percentage of passengers on each airline is biased for AA having more O/D. United has a banked structure at ORD where they connect many people. AA has DFW to connect people in addition to ORD.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
A bonus to American that United doesnt have is that American Eagle arrives and departs out of Conourse G in Terminal 3 where AA is while United Express departs out of Terminal 2 concourse F.

The advantage has nothing to do with terminal designation, really. F is a dump. G is one of the best regional facilities in the country. FWIW, once new face of O'Hare is done, I don't think one carrier will have a clear facility advantage. The AA ticketing lobby used to suck, but that is being rectified.

In my 20 years as a Chicagoan, I have seen plenty of advertising for UA and AA, but very little of it is directly competitive. Certainly nothing like what we have seen in NYC lately. My impression has always been that UA captures more of the local market, but in terms of who has more O&D as a percentage, I have no idea.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):

AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

it depends on when you go...AA's terminal can be a nightmare at times..such as early evening times...and early morning.....fortunately, as an AA-Platinum and Admiral's Club Member, I can usually avoid the turmoil... biggrin ...

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American

its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....but I agree, it is nice than AA's terminal 3

Quoting Scrappy74 (Reply 8):
UA by far a larger op at ORD than AA; many times more gates, lots of big a/c's (was there today, even in my limited time in the terminals I saw four UA 744s and countless 772s take off).

AA has a large 777 operation out of ORD also....LHR, DEL, NRT, DFW, and now PVG...AA also has 767 services to MAN, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, and BRU....

but I agree..its nothing like UA's massive 744, 777, and 767 to everywhere....

oddly enough, AA and BA dominate the ORD-LHR route, with UA only providing three daily 777's...where as AA has either 4 or 5 daily flights (seasonal) and BA has 3 daily 777's or 2 daily 777's and 1 747 .....

also, UA relies on BD for its ORD-MAN flight, where as AA has a dialy ORD-MAN 767 flight

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ.

besides the routes I mentioned above, AA has tons of 757 flights..including LAX, MIA, SNA, MCO...

AA use to have 738's out of ORD, but switched them to MIA, as it was more cost effective to have one kind of crew-base, as opposed to having two (one for the MD-80 and one for the 737-800)

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
I don't think one carrier will have a clear facility advantage. The AA ticketing lobby used to suck, but that is being rectified.

still nothing to be bragging about..but its good nonetheless

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):

In my 20 years as a Chicagoan, I have seen plenty of advertising for UA and AA, but very little of it is directly competitive.

In my 30 years of living in metropolitan chicago, UA knocked the socks off of AA in terms of advertising.........and I agree..none really directly competitive..

even though I don't live in Chi'town any longer, I still hope they serve ORD-HKG, as UA has that route completely gangstered to itself....alternating between one or two 744's daily!!



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

United has more departures and probably carrier more passengers. United also enjoys an advantage as Chicago's "hometown" airline.

But AA gives them hell....



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
but I would guess that it probably used to be more bitter and more intense.

Oh yes, there used to be quite a rivalry between the two at ORD for years, particularly from about 1984/85 to 1991/92, when RC, DL, WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW, and NW starting pulling down their large ORD ops. First the two squabbled over regional carriers, then over the ORD-NRT route. Bob Crandall was so incensed over losing that route case, he personally fired the lobbyist/executive in charge of getting the authority secured for AA. Remember, Stephen Wolf used to work for AA back in the late '60s-very early '80s. He was one of a bright corps of execs who later ran about half the industry. People like Tom Plaskett (CO/PA), Donald Lloyd-Jones (WA/QH), and Don Carty all worked for AA as mid-level execs all trying to gain C.R. Smith/Al Casey's support/attention to run AA. Crandall beat out all of them, including Wolf, who left AA in 1981 to work for PA as a VP. Don't forget, during Wolf's tenure at AA, he met another potential rising star in his future wife, Delores. She became the highest-ranking female in the business at the time, running AA's inflight division, but had to quit AA once Wolf took over UA in 1987.

When Wolf came to UA in 1987, he took some of Crandall's best people with him, John Pope, AA's CFO, came to UA in the biggest coup of all. The best way to learn about this rivalry is to read Hard Landing by Thomas Petzinger. A really great read. I've read through it more times than I can count. It really gives a good rundown on what really happened in the business from 1978-1995. Just about every airline is mentioned/involved in some way.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.

Not a chance. United is significantly larger. You must have been looking at flights to DFW or MIA :-P

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....

Given the number of flights, no it isn't. You must not have ever been to Denver.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

You must not have ever been to Denver.

no..I haven't..not yet...but UA's ORD terminal is too big for me at least....



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Denver is monstrous.

It is seemingly neverending, you just keep walking...



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 19):
Denver is monstrous.

It is seemingly neverending, you just keep walking...

Denver is big, but as far as connections (to non Ted flights), Chicago is worse. It is a very long walk from say B22 to C3 that takes a good 15 minutes. It takes less time to walk the length of the B gates in DEN or C/D gates in IAD.

However one day when I had a 4 hour connection I decided to walk the length of ORD from the C gates in terminal 1 to the L gates in terminal 3 and it took about an hour each way. It is quite a walk. ORD's domestic terminals really are massive.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

I'm surprised no one has bothered to search this topic to find a long discussion take place about this same exact subject a few months ago.

For a very detailed analysis of the American and United hubs at Chicago check out the following document.
http://www.unisys.com/eprise/main/ad.../doc/Scorecard_Nov_Vol3_Issue2.pdf



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home.

That's crazy talk!

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ.

Yes, and yes! I loathe the transcon MD-80s! I'm surprised AA hasn't tried to ETOPS them out to Hawaii! (that's a joke, people)

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....but I agree, it is nice than AA's terminal 3

Ditto the comment on DEN. I'd rather have a tunnel-separated concourse like DEN, ORD, even LAS than deal with AA's monsterous horseshoe at DFW. That thing never ends.


On a related note, for as cool as UA's Terminal 1 appears, I've noticed that it's in need of some tweaking. The concourses are a bit narrow considering they have so many concession carts strewn around. Most of the gate lobbies are also undersized; you can bank on at least 30-40 ppl standing due to a lack of seats, and, probably worst, is the size of the bathrooms. Half of them are really small (3-4 stalls/urinals), which results in lines for both men and women.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
Denver is big, but as far as connections (to non Ted flights), Chicago is worse. It is a very long walk from say B22 to C3 that takes a good 15 minutes. It takes less time to walk the length of the B gates in DEN or C/D gates in IAD.

You do still have the Ted issue at DEN, which is slower because you have to wait for the train. Also, the fact that you can make the longest connections at ORD in 15 minutes is pretty impressive given the size of the operation.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 22):
I loathe the transcon MD-80s!

MD80s don't fly transcon



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

Laxintl:

Great document. Thanks for sharing! I had heard of this report and spent a good deal of time searching for it, but could not find it.

It's always great when people provide actual data, information, proof, etc., instead of just chest-thumping or spewing misinformation!

Thanks again!



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25 777fan : Allow me to elaborate: I consider ORD-LAX/SJC transcon; it's just a tad under 2,000 miles or about 4 hours flying time.
26 Post contains images N1120A : Thing is, it isn't Transcontinental. For that you would have to transit from one end of the continent to the other and Lake Michigan is not the Atlan
27 Cubsrule : It isn't??
28 Post contains images N1120A : No. Did I deflate something?
29 777fan : Split hairs if you wish, but the definition of "transcon" doesn't necessarily mean you have to fly from one coast to the other - you need only fly ac
30 Cubsrule : Maybe...
31 Laxintl : Instead of Transcon, the proper descriptor of such routes is "Midcon"
32 ChiGB1973 : My flights on UA have always been much more comfortable than AA. I think both have been around in Chicago long enough for the majority of the regular
33 Onetogo : Was just about to say that about AA at ORD. In terms of AA only, it is MD80 city. I spent a weekend there and did quite a bit of spotting (lovely air
34 RoseFlyer : If you want to get to the express gates at ORD, then you have to wait for the bus at gate C9 or take the long walk and it is a heck of a walk to the
35 Onetogo : Anyone know about UA vs AA at LAX?
36 RoseFlyer : It is similar to ORD. United is bigger, but not by that much. UA and AA are the two biggest of the legacy carriers, although Southwest is very high i
37 Cubsrule : It should probably be noted that UA's operations at LAX is much more connection-oriented. Apart from the MQ Saab flying (which provides connections f
38 Commavia : Mainline-only, AA and UA are virtually tied for #1. UA mainline has an LAX marketshare of 16.20%, while AA's mainline share is 15.03% -- a margin of
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : if you read my post above (#14) you would have learnt a thing or two.. I'll repeat myself...
40 Uafan17 : Back To The Windy City, the new United Ad Campaign is much bigger and I must say better, as their It's Time to Fly and its artsy metaphorical ads are
41 MSYtristar : MD-80's surely are a hell of a lot better than RJ's on a 2 or 3 hour flight. It is still a mainline aircraft. I flew on two AA M80's a couple of weeks
42 CHI787ORD : I have never felt that UA has played this though. In Atlanta, everyone knows DL is Atlanta's "hometown" airline. Not too sure if most Chicagoans know
43 Post contains images 777fan : I'm with you on this one - UA's 73Xs need to go! I've had the misfortune of flying a 735 (AUS-ORD) and 733 (BWI-ORD) over the last year; never again!
44 UAFAN17 : UA CO merger? as great as that is it'll never happen, CO is Boeing Exclusive and UA is mixed, but hypothetically would they take on UA's name? I mean
45 Post contains links 777fan : I would think UA is recognized worldwide...come see for yourself: UA - CO..Merger Rumours.....Again! (by UAL777UK May 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)
46 Tsaord : Wow there are still rumors of a UA/CO merger??? I think working mostly with AA in T5 and now in T3 has sort of made me partial to them. Those silver b
47 777fan : I'd venture to guess most Chicagoans do know this if for no other reason that UA has been in the news leading up to, during and since exiting BKK. Op
48 UAFAN17 : Haha, Thats creative, but its clear that United is the Hometown airline, the reason for it is, well first of all United has the terminal with that awe
49 CHI787ORD : Wow.... that is pretty good. I'm putting you on my RU list just for that. haha!! I agree 100%. Honestly, AA needs to retire that $hit.
50 UAFAN17 : Yeah, I have calaustrophobia and flying in an MD80 makes me nervous The aisles are so small and I feel like the overhead bin is gonna fall on me. I am
51 Commavia : Actually, LGA is about the only major market from O'Hare (excluding AA hubs) where AA actually has a strong market advantage. AA has more flights and
52 UAFAN17 : Oh interesting, I thought it was the other way around, but the seats could be due to the fact that United uses a mix of 73X's, A32x's and a rare 757.
53 Jacobin777 : incorrect...AA has many more flights to LGA than UA does.... everyone from Chicago knows UA is the hometown carrier...especially with "The House That
54 777fan : No doubt. I love that place but think that people don't really know it any more than the two American Airlines Arenas (Miami and Dallas), Continental
55 Jetdeltamsy : Oh yea, the public certainly does identify UA as the hometown airline here. UA pushes it to the max. AA is seen as the Texas competitor to the homegr
56 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I was fortunate in that my dad's patients used to give him courtside Bulls tickets..especially for playoff games... I was at courtside when the Bulls
57 GoAllegheny : So, today I flew from LGA to ORD, originally on the 1 pm UA flight, which UA cancelled due to crew. Unfortunately, UA ALSO cancelled the 11:00 am due
58 Commavia : While I personally don't mind AA's T3 concourses, it does generally not look as clean, sleek or modern as UA's T1. As AA begins redoing the gate area
59 UAL777UK : Agreed, Theres no question in my mind that most if not pratically all people living in Chicago identify UA as being the "Hometown Airline", espeicial
60 Tommy767 : I flew AA to Chicago in Feb. from LAX. I made SURE that both ways I was on a 763....NO QUESTION! Personally I think it is ridiculous that AA runs so m
61 GoAllegheny : Yes, AA has had the billboard above the escalator for years. It also has used the billboard above the doors to the trains from time to time. Of cours
62 CWAFlyer : When my father in law flew the -800, he was based out of SFO. He flew in and out of ORD a lot though. Do you remember when United used to be a sponso
63 PanAm747 : In terms of advertising, isn't "The United Center" big advertising? It's been called that since back in the Michael Jordan days, yes?
64 Kkfla737 : At one point in the late 1970s, I'm pretty sure TWA was the ORD's second largest tenant, with AA third. Besides TWA had London and Paris routes from
65 Post contains images Jacobin777 : IIRC...if he flew SFO-ORD, I might have been on one of his planes...as I used to fly SFO-ORD-SFO quite a bit on the 738's...then for a few weeks, the
66 ChiGB1973 : Meanwhile, a similar thing was happening to an AA, CO, DL, NW or any of the foreign carriers this large. Granted, inconvenient, but no need to be pis
67 USPIT10L : I've often wanted to get some TWA schedules from the mid-70s through the early '80s just to see what their very point-to-point route system looked li
68 CWAFlyer : Possibly. He was based in SFO which meant he flew out of SFO, SJC and OAK. Mostly though it was SFO and SJC. He was on the -800 from the time AA got
69 Kkfla737 : I have a bunch. Republic was very strong at O'Hare also as you mentioned, although Chicago and Milwaukee were eventually sacrificed as mini-hub type
70 Jacobin777 : that's for the input.. there is no longer an SJC-ORD redeye anymore...they have only 3 daily flights with the last one being AA-1820 departing at 12:
71 Post contains images N1120A : Since it opened (which was in the Jordan Era) So fly United, 4 flights a day including one that leaves after 1 PM
72 USPIT10L : I certainly know of EA's presence in ORD, I have a schedule from 1982 and 1984. Also, I know USAir and Piedmont each had about 20 flights a day each
73 Post contains images Jacobin777 : lol...UA 488 leaves only on hour after the AA flight... UA lost my business when they stated I didn't have a UA FF account with them (even though I w
74 Kkfla737 : Yup I forgot to mention Piedmont, who like Eastern had several point to point flights to the SE. EA actually had a larger operation at St Louis for m
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