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Etihad To Place A Massive Plane Order  
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12525 times:

Etihad announced that it will be placing a big plane order this year and quite soon!!! With Operations to the US commencing in Summer and to Australia staring next Summer, I think Etihad are going full force to catch up with Emirates!!! This is going to be interesting to watch

Etihad also announced that they are opening a new terminal in Dubai for all passengers who wish to check in 24 hours before their flight. They will then be transported to Abu Dhabi Airport FREE OF CHARGE from Dubai! Good one!!!

So what do you think the order will consists of? A mixture of A & B??

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/05/06/10037970.html

I hope this link words. Other wise here it is:

Etihad may place big jet order soon
By Shakir Husain, Staff Reporter



Dubai: Etihad Airways, the UAE's national airline, could place a big aircraft order this year, chairman Dr Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saif Al Nahyan has hinted.

The Abu Dhabi-based airline currently has 29 planes on order.

Asked when the airline could sign another plane purchase order, Shaikh Ahmad said: "Soon ... probably this year."

He suggested the order could be significant because "Etihad started big and will continue big."

"We are still in the mode of receiving new aircraft. We will be receiving until 2008," the Etihad chairman told reporters in Dubai on Thursday.

The airline's order book includes four A380 superjumbos.

The 30-month-old airline aims to service 75 destinations in five years.

It plans to start flying to New York this summer and is currently discussing code-sharing agreements with some American carriers. Flights to Australia could begin next year.

About Etihad's talks to acquire a 33.7 per cent stake in Luxembourg cargo airline Cargolux, Shaikh Ahmad said the negotiations had not advanced.

The talks were "at the same level as before," he said.

Meanwhile, Etihad has opened a new check-in facility in Dubai.

Passengers can now organise their ticketing, security screening and baggage check-in on the ground floor of the Etihad office in Chelsea Towers on Shaikh Zayed Road.

After checking in, the passengers will be taken to Abu Dhabi International Airport by coach.

Etihad recently took delivery of 16 new top-of-the-range Mercedes-Benz coaches to offer connections for any Dubai or Al Ain-based passengers travelling to and from Abu Dhabi International Airport.

"Being able to check in up to 24 hours before flying is a bonus for travellers. It removes the stress of congested queues and lengthy terminal walks," Shaikh Ahmad said.

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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12502 times:

Do I smell an A380 order?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12448 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Do I smell an A380 order?

Yes (I assume) plus the 787/A50 contest that has already been mentioned elsewhere plus, I guess, more 777-300ERs or A346s.

772LRs? More A345s? Possibly.

More A330s? Somehow, I doubt it.

My guess? More A346s and A380s plus an order for 787s.  Smile


User currently offlineBA1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Etihad announced that it will be placing a big plane order this year and quite soon!!!



Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Dubai: Etihad Airways, the UAE's national airline, could place a big aircraft order this year, chairman Dr Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saif Al Nahyan has hinted.

We seem to have a bit of a play on words here! "Could" is a little different to "will"



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Do I smell an A380 order?

That maybe part of it as Airbus have stated they expect follow on orders but here's a clue as to what 20 of the frames will be for;

By Will McSheehy
May 2 (Bloomberg) -- Etihad Airways, a 2-year-old carrier owned by the government of Abu Dhabi, plans to choose between Airbus SAS's new A350 and Boeing Co.'s competing model, the 787 Dreamliner, in the second half of the year.

``We are waiting for answers from Airbus on the technology they will put into the A350 and the impact that will have on delivery dates,'' Etihad Chief Executive Officer Robert Strodel said in an interview in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, today. Etihad will ``make a decision in the second half.''


[END - Fair use excerpt http://www.bloomberg.com ]

Be interesting to see whether they retain an interest, expressed last year, in the 772F.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12403 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
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Quoting BA1978 (Reply 3):
We seem to have a bit of a play on words here! "Could" is a little different to "will"

Not to mention "soon" and "...probably this year".

While this will be interesting, I won't hold my breath.



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User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

Quoting BA1978 (Reply 3):
We seem to have a bit of a play on words here! "Could" is a little different to "will"



Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Asked when the airline could sign another plane purchase order, Shaikh Ahmad said: "Soon ... probably this year."

If they put it in Gulf News then Expect it to happen!!! Expecially that they have quoted Sheikh Ahmad which means the order is going through.

I think since they are in need for planes ASAP they will go for more of the 777-300ER's and maybe some A 330's


User currently offlineRainmaker From Brazil, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

On a side note, can Abu Dhabi's Airport handle all that massive increase in volume due in the folllowing years?

Besides, I find it to be a bit awkward for a business passenger to take a bus from one airport to another. Can't they get a light railway in place?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):

That maybe part of it as Airbus have stated they expect follow on orders but here's a clue as to what 20 of the frames will be for;

Very interesting info PanAm_DC10. It seems that some airlines are eager to see what Airbus will do with the A350 and whether it will offset the latter delivery date.

In case the go for the A350 I'm sure that further A330 will be acquired as stop gap measure.

What power plant have Ethiad chosen for their A330? Is it Rolls Royce? If so they will operate the Trent 500, 700, 900 and possibly the 1700 if they were to opt for the A350.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12172 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
What power plant have Ethiad chosen for their A330? Is it Rolls Royce?

Indeed: 14 new-build A330s with RR to replace (augment?) the mixed fleet of GE and PW A330s they initially leased.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Indeed: 14 new-build A330s with RR to replace (augment?) the mixed fleet of GE and PW A330s they initially leased

Thanks PM, We can always count on you to keep us up to date in regards to RR.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12119 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Thanks PM, We can always count on you to keep us up to date in regards to RR.

Is it that obvious?!  blush 

Anyway, yes, RR should get something out of another EY order.  Smile


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12119 times:

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 7):
Can't they get a light railway in place?

Light rail is the least cost-effective of all fashionable methods of transportation. Limo service would be much, much less expensive than light rail.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):

Light rail is the least cost-effective of all fashionable methods of transportation. Limo service would be much, much less expensive than light rail.

Well this interesting Zvezda. I would have thought rail to be a more cost effective measure to transport large amount of passengers with out great congestion.

We also should note that rail is also more environmentally friendly.  Wink

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
Is it that obvious?! blush

 Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 7):
On a side note, can Abu Dhabi's Airport handle all that massive increase in volume due in the folllowing years?

Besides, I find it to be a bit awkward for a business passenger to take a bus from one airport to another. Can't they get a light railway in place?

Abu Dhabi started a massive expansion plan for the Airport that will be ready by 2008. As for the Light Railway, the new terminal in Dubai is not at Dubai Airport, it's in the City of Dubai and it has ready Buses to take passengers to and from the Airport. Transportation time is around 45 minutes to 1 hour


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12006 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
I would have thought rail to be a more cost effective measure to transport large amount of passengers with out great congestion.

That would require great numbers of passengers, which never materialize. Compared on the basis of $/pax kilometer, light rail is the most expensive transportation method in wide use. It is far worse than airplanes, taxis, private cars, coaches, or cruise lines.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
We also should note that rail is also more environmentally friendly.

Also a myth.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

As already mentionned above , Etihad want planes quickly , meaning , an order will be a mixture of some of the types or a selection of only one plane type out of 777-300ERs , A330s , A380s , A345s , A346s , and even 777-200LRs.
But i also expect an order to be delivered later , meaning either the 787 or the A350.

So i see 2 kinds of orders , placing in one order.

1 Quick delivery order
2 In the future delivery order.

Can't be a good opportunity for Airbus to place the A340-600s ordered by Emirates , but the later do not want them in the actual version ?
At Airbus to propose a very sweet deal.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 16):
Can't be a good opportunity for Airbus to place the A340-600s ordered by Emirates , but the later do not want them in the actual version ?

These A346s are probably the only planes they could get fast. A330s and 773ERs both have a lot of backlog, should not have too many slots left.

If they order anything from Airbus, I guess we will hear about it at one of the coming airshows.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11586 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):

That would require great numbers of passengers, which never materialize. Compared on the basis of $/pax kilometer, light rail is the most expensive transportation method in wide use. It is far worse than airplanes, taxis, private cars, coaches, or cruise lines.

Well this depends, as you correctly note, on the number of passengers and also who the cost is incurred to.

For example, in Helsinki (where I live) there are plans to extend the metro to the airport. Then the cost per trip to the passenger could be in fact much lower than taking a bus or taxi, and there's an easy option open for the city to subsidize the trips in order to possibly attract more traffic.

Another important viewpoint is pollution. A rail option (at least here) would run to a large extent on nuclear and hydro power whereas taxis release pollutants directly to the centre of the city, not to mention cause noise, increase traffic levels and are less safe.

I'm not 100% sure if light rail in this contect means a metro, a tram or express trams... however in the Helsinki case a metro is in question.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11535 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
Light rail is the least cost-effective of all fashionable methods of transportation. Limo service would be much, much less expensive than light rail.

Wrong. When you actually factor in all costs, road transport is more expensive. Most people seem to ignore that they travel free on government funded roads

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
Anyway, yes, RR should get something out of another EY order.

Trent 1000 perhaps????

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
We also should note that rail is also more environmentally friendly.

Also a myth.

Again, not a myth. In Germany for example, rail causes 10% of the pollution of air transport, yet carries significantly more people. Further, the French "Grand Strategy" of implementing large scale expansion of light and heavy rail commuter lines dropped their carbon emmissions over 34% from 1973 to 2000 while the US, despite gains in emmissions control technology saw a net gain of 2.5% in the same period.

Quoting Joni (Reply 18):
I'm not 100% sure if light rail in this contect means a metro, a tram or express trams... however in the Helsinki case a metro is in question.

A metro is generally heavy rail. Light rail is trams.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Trent 1000 perhaps????

Well, they may as well complete the set.  Wink


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 18):
Well this depends, as you correctly note, on the number of passengers and also who the cost is incurred to.

For example, in Helsinki (where I live) there are plans to extend the metro to the airport. Then the cost per trip to the passenger could be in fact much lower than taking a bus or taxi, and there's an easy option open for the city to subsidize the trips in order to possibly attract more traffic.

In San Francisco, BART was extended to SFO recently. Ridership has been less than half of what was projected. Half is much better than the usual result.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
When you actually factor in all costs, road transport is more expensive. Most people seem to ignore that they travel free on government funded roads

Wrong. Including the cost of construction (for both roads and rail), light rail is the most expensive option by far. Coaches/busses are always cheaper and use far, far less energy and therefore polute less.


User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

Buying airplanes is the easy part. Finding qualified pilots and engineers to man those airplanes is going to prove quite difficult as other "Gulf Carriers" have recently found. Even worse, they are expecting to find fully qualified and type-rated Captains just dying for the chance to live in Abu Dhabi. There are plenty of pilots in the world, there just aren't plenty of good qualified ones. Good luck to them is all I can say.

User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):

Wrong. Including the cost of construction (for both roads and rail), light rail is the most expensive option by far. Coaches/busses are always cheaper and use far, far less energy and therefore polute less.

I'd be interested in seeing some figures on that, since it seems to go against what most people think.

I saw some figures, again on Helsinki, and trams fares very well there, the cost of transporting one passenger was significantly less than for buses, not to mention private cars. The metro, however, was still significantly more economical.

A tram can be used for 40 years, whereas cars are often used for only 10 years, or even less.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11332 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
Coaches/busses are always cheaper and use far, far less energy and therefore polute less.

To see this in action, look at a completely profit driven system. The only one I know of is Walt DisneyWorld in Orlando Florida. They build their own roads, rail lines, waterways, etc. And because they provide all transportation "for free" they can't use uneven fares or subsidized pricing to compensate.

They started with a monorail, and have added all sorts of methods from ferries to water launches to buses.

Whenever they expand now, they only use buses.

I talked to a monorail engineer about this while waiting in line for a ride. He's been there for a long time, and he echoed what Zvezda is saying.

They've examined all methods of transport and by far the most cost effective is the bus (motorcoach) and they have amassed a huge fleet of them.

They are always planning a new light rail or monorail line there, and may very well build one for entertainment/"experience" reasons, but it would not be for cost savings. The initial costs per mile are astronomical compared to buses and roads, and each light rail or monorail car is multiple times more expensive than a new bus of the same size.



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25 Post contains links Zvezda : Here are a few links: http://www.heritage.org/Research/SmartGrowth/wm745.cfm http://www.rppi.org/ps245.html http://www.ti.org/FS3.html http://www.ti.
26 Kdeg00 : The key term here is "least cost effective". Drop the words "least cost" from the statement and you get to the crux of the argument. Light rail is a
27 A389 : AUH is in fact going through a big expansion ... but although things here tend to move faster then anywhere else, 2008 is a bit early... maybe the ru
28 Leelaw : Wouldn't these factors have been considered in the original projections of ridership which is allegedly off by 50%?
29 Rainmaker : Thanks for the correction EK156! Since I couldn't open the link to the original news, I just figured the terminal would be at Dubai Airport. So I thi
30 JayinKitsap : It is my understanding that in the US there are only two rail transit systems that cover their operating costs (I think NY and Chicago) from the fareb
31 Joni : Thanks for the links. I got, however, a bit odd a picture of the light-rail systems they were discussing and I can agree with you that badly planned
32 FFlyer : Joni; who pays the capital (construction) costs in the Helsinki tram system? The city, or does the government also pay a part of those?
33 Stitch : I guess it depends on the land, as well. Here in SEA, we're putting in light rail at about $500 million a mile, but expanding the central highway (Int
34 Atmx2000 : Buses and road systems are much less sensitive to maintenance issues, with far less catastrophic results. A bus and road network are so much more fle
35 Intothinair : I guess we will see an order of: Another 10-15 A330s for delivery around mid 2007 onwards Another 10 777-300ERs delivery 2008 onwards 5-10 777-200LRs
36 AA1818 : IMHO no more A330s and more 77-300ER. I believe that this a/c will be the backbone of Etihad. Also more 787s and expect delivery sooner if Boeing ope
37 Gigneil : I actually believe neither do... both systems are funded not just from the farebox but by tax revenue as well. Washington DC's Metro comes the closes
38 Leelaw : All mass transit in Northeastern Illinois & Northwest Indiana benefiit from substantial governmental subsidies. Over the past 60+ years each componen
39 KHI747 : I think EY has always had the transportation service to and from DXB.I flew EY from KHI to AUH in December and i was transported to Dubai in a Mercede
40 TIA : But as it was already said, you are ignoring the cost of the streets themselves. Obviously it is less expensive for Disney to put more buses on the r
41 Zvezda : The new rail line would be several times more expensive than the four lane highway.
42 Joni : The maintenance of the track system is paid by the utility running the trams, e.g. from the tickets sold and city subsidies 50/50. Initial building c
43 Zbrox : Perhabs our friends from the UAE can correct me on this if I'm wrong. A railway from Dubai to AUH is not going to happen. One of the reasons is that i
44 Post contains links Singapore_Air : UAE's Etihad Airways wants to buy 5 cargo planes May 7, 2006 ABU DHABI (Reuters) Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways is looking to buy five cargo planes and co
45 TIA : Wrong! There is no room for a new highway and all property is quite expensive. However, you can always put a train underground. As I said, if you hav
46 Aerokiwi : From someone living in a sprawling city run almost entirely on buses (Auckland) and having experienced the mass transit light rail/metro systems of Eu
47 Behramjee : I can assure u that EY have no patience for Airbus to get their act together with regards to the A 332F. The B 772LRF can carry more cargo volume + f
48 Zvezda : One can also put a highway underground, which is very expensive, but not as expensive as putting rail underground. That is about politics, not econom
49 Thorben : The whole issue with the A332 freighter shows that Airbus slept in that segment. Did they really believe that the A300F could go on forever?? The A33
50 AndesSMF : No, absolutely not. Bad enough that EK has been in such an expansion mood. Now you have EY and QR trying to all get a piece of the same pie. I wont h
51 Post contains links Joost : Depends on your definition. At least on my university in transport management classes, metro is regarded as light rail. Here, we have different class
52 Keesje : I think the A330 has everything in it to become a good freighter as well. Introducing the cargo door on the A330 should be too complicated. Some of th
53 EK156 : Correct. The Dubai Rail System will only reach Jebel Ali Airport which is on the border of Dubai & Abu Dhabi. After that you will have to take a car,
54 Post contains images Zbrox : Glad to be correct! It is interesting that the only one to pick up on this is the only person from the UAE. Q: Do you know what the timeframe of the
55 EK156 : I think the Jebel Ali Airport will only be open to Cargo operations in the first year or two. Then to chartered, LCC and Hajj operations. After that
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