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TAM JFK And LHR  
User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Hi ALL,

I have just booked a ticket with JJ from JFK to SSA via GRU on the 10th of july
returning on the 18th of july,my flight on the 18th leaves GRU at 10am,so obviously JJ is still operating with just one 330-200 to JFK,i thought this was going to 2 x 330-200s in may,so does anybody know what has happened regarding this,also i flew JJ from CDG to GRU and back this month (was lucky and used my fidelidade points and went F class,very nice indeed),and as has been posted here already JJ will commence London to GRU in October,now the captain on my flight told me it would be from LHR and not LGW,(LHR is by far a better choice),but what about slots from there,as it is very hard to get slots because of capacity,but as far as i am aware you can buy and sell slots with other airlines,(although this is officially not sanctioned),does anybody have any more info regarding this,thanks in advance for your replys.

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User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Hi Glenn,
JJ will change JFK from 4x weekly to daily starting 1st June. However the previously announced schedule for daily night flights in both directions was recently replaced with the schedule you mentioned. There might be two reasons for this: Either PT-MVA will not be back in time, or they start going through D-checks with their fleet and have not found an A330 for short-term lease as temporary replacement yet. I am sure JJMNGR will update us as soon as the information is not confidential anymore. I am also sure that as soon as JJ has 8 A330s available they will change to daily night flights.

Regarding LHR: JJ mentioned yesterday officially that they will probably start London in October 2006. I am sure they prefer flying to LHR. However, there are always a lot of rumours between crew on the next new destinations which somebody has heard somewhere from the management. So, there was for sure the rumour that it will be LHR. Also JJMNGR mentioned here already that there is a big chance that this will happen (I assume his information is based on more than rumours). But to be honest, I only believe it, when it is announced officially. And even then it can change as you see in the JFK schedule. When travelling through Brazil during the last year JJ crew told me about almost every European airport RG is or was flying to as JJ's next European destination...


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

There are some spare slots at LHR, for instance late at night. What time slots would TAM be looking for?


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User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
What time slots would TAM be looking for?

Arrival arround lunch time (~12-3pm), departure late in the evening (~8-10pm).


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Im not sure about lunchtime, but Im sure TAM could get some late evening slots when things are a bit quieter


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User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

As VARIG stops flying to CPH, could TAM grab the three "vacant" slots of RG at LHR?


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User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Hi Jog,

Thanks for the clarification,yes i guess that PT-MVA is indeed delayed having a D-CHECK,also does anybody know when the 2 330-200s wet leased to EY will be returning to JJ to commence the LHR (hopefully and not LGW) to GRU route.
But most importantly does anyone have any ideas,or suspected confirmation on when JJ will join an Alliance,(personally i think they would increase there international profile very much,as they are still not that well known,apart from there strong reputation in MIA,JFK,CDG,EZE,and other south american markets)or do you think JJ might wait and see what happens with RG and join STAR or will they join Oneworld (strongest code shares by far with AA,and too a lesser extent lounge cooperation with BA),or what about SKYTEAM,(smaller code share with AF),or what about just staying neutral and maybe having another code share with VS when they start flights to GiG,(they share there lounge with VS in JFK),questions,questions,questions !!!!.
JJMNGR how are you !,i have not posted mail for some time as i got a little bored,but i got a lot more bored by not doing any posting,hope your well and i will be in Salvador from the 11th of July to the 15th of July and then in Sao Paulo for two days on the 16th and 17th of July,and if you or anybody else will be around these days it would be nice to meet you.
Abracao para todos.
PS JJ have for me overtaken RG for my affection and custom,but although i have made some damming remarks about RG,i still have fond memorys(flew with them excluseivlely for more than 15 years)of flying RG in there heyday when they were with out doubt a world class airline,such a real shame that they are in the mess they are in,(a good few years ago it should have been,FRB "OUT OUT OUT").


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2389 times:
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Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
There are some spare slots at LHR, for instance late at night. What time slots would TAM be looking for?

Late night for LHR-GRU and probably 11h to 13h for GRU-LHR.


Quoting Jog (Reply 1):
Either PT-MVA will not be back in time, or they start going through D-checks with their fleet and have not found an A330 for short-term lease as temporary replacement yet. I am sure JJMNGR will update us as soon as the information is not confidential anymore. I am also sure that as soon as JJ has 8 A330s available they will change to daily night flights.

It's expected as per Infraero informations that one A332 for Tam will arive upon the first days of june. It seems to be MVA from Etihad but nothing confirmed yet.


Felipe



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User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Hi,

Humberside,the slots that RG have for CPH are only on wenesdays,fridays,and sundays,where as i suspect JJ really need slots at the same time daily,so as to maximise conformity in there route network,as i suspect because of there limited amount of widebodys,it would be paramount for conformity of route selection on arrival in Brasil,just my two pennys worth,i could be totally wrong,as i do not work in the airline buissness.
Have a nice weekend all.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Late night for LHR-GRU and probably 11h to 13h for GRU-LHR.

Correct. I also think that TAM could make it to LHR. Then it will be a matter of time for RG to drop LHR...

As for the alliance, I think this is an urgent decision. If TAM want sot enhance its international outreach it will have to join an alliance. I dont know why things at TAM are so slow....TAM could have been a member of Sky for a long time now...

Also, when is TAM going to refit its old-fashioned business/first class?? It also needs urgent refit. Those old seats which were converted into lie-flat are becoming something of the past. It cannot compare to the shell-style of most major airlines new products...even in Latin American TAM's seats are left behind if compared to the new seats of AM or LA.

Wake up, TAM!!!!!!!

Rgs,


User currently offlineGlennpower From Brazil, joined Jul 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Hi,

Hardiwv,

Well its nice to hear from you,okay JJ F and C product is a little bit dated,i think there F class is okay overall,just needs a few tweaks here and there,but there C class also just needs seat dividers for a bit more privacy,overall it is a very comfortable seat,(at least like TP,LH,you do not slip down the seat all night long).

For the brasilian market JJ is the best option for TVL to Europe and USA,without a doubt.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
Also, when is TAM going to refit its old-fashioned business/first class?? It also needs urgent refit. Those old seats which were converted into lie-flat are becoming something of the past. It cannot compare to the shell-style of most major airlines new products...even in Latin American TAM's seats are left behind if compared to the new seats of AM or LA.

If you travel on MVB as i am last month on my way back from SCL. you're really concerned. The older planes are really in bad conditions at C class and seems need an urgent D Check and some improvements, also PTVs are smaller than the A332 fleet used to MIA, JFK and some CDG flights, and looks like the same used on Y (on seats without the standard one due to the fact there is no seat in front).
If Tam sends those bad looking C+Y planes (like MVA, MVB and the two others with Etihad), they will have no chance against BA and VS.
Rumors from JJ says that they could put MVA and other old planes to MIA and release two of their best metals in favor of LHR. AA will be in the near future with a new C/F seats, and for sure Tam will face strong competition.

I agree Hardi, Tam need to wake up urgently.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting Glennpower (Reply 6):
JJMNGR how are you !,i have not posted mail for some time as i got a little bored,but i got a lot more bored by not doing any posting,hope your well and i will be in Salvador from the 11th of July to the 15th of July and then in Sao Paulo for two days on the 16th and 17th of July,and if you or anybody else will be around these days it would be nice to meet you.

Hi Glenn, I´m doing fine...and will all these things happening in the market you can have an idea how crazy we all are here...our own business, planning, forecasting, strategic meetings, market projections, many proposes...many many many things happening...

During the hole month of JUL, the executives are going to be travelling on local commercial conventions so I will chenck dates and who knows where I am going to be? Really don´t know but will advise if we can get a coffee together somewhere.
Good to hear from you.

About TAM birds..MVA is near to come back as so as MVD and MVE for the LON operation. Still not official but seems TAM is making a short term lease of another 02 A332 to be delivered till the end of MAY. Reason is that REC (JJ3506/3507) might have a chance to be ketp with A332 and also MAO might get a direct service GRU/MAO with A332 (one of these new ones) and the other will be grounded during the day as a step aircraft.

But this is waht a heard and it is not official as the industry moment requires attention and carefull in strategic issues.

Cheers,


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