BigSky123 From Slovenia, joined Dec 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
In the article about Turkish Airlines (FT, 25th of April) was mentioned, TK is seeking to join a major airline alliance, hopefully by the end of 2006.
Which alliance are they negotiating with? I wasn't able to track any info myself. Help from insider out there would be greatly apprechiated. Thank you!
Bigsky123
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10226 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
My first instinct would also be oneworld, but then again, fellow Middle Eastern carrier Royal Jordanian just joined. Would RJ and TK be overkill for oneworld in the region?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
THY cleverly is considering all three alliance's.
The key to a selection will be based on which alliance provided the most stature to THY, and makes its Istanbul an important integral part of the alliance, while providing the most overall financial benefit to the carrier.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3601 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
The key to a selection will be based on which alliance provided the most stature to THY, and makes its Istanbul an important integral part of the alliance, while providing the most overall financial benefit to the carrier.
*A have the following weekly services (75 per week total):
JP: 7x via LJU
LH: 21x via FRA
LH: 14x via MUC
LO: 6x via WAW
LX: 9x via ZRH
OS: 12x via VIE
SK: 2x via ARN
SQ: 4x via DXB
I'll speculate that if TK were to join Star, then LO and SQ would increase to daily service, while LX and OS would increase to 2x daily service.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10226 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3591 times:
Quoting Azza40 (Reply 5): it will be one world, they wont have a codeshare agreement with AA and then go and join an alliance that doesnt have AA in it
Anyone have any idea of what TK's feelings are about the AA partnership? Are they generally pleased with the traffic volume and revenue it has brought them?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22258 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3563 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 6): Anyone have any idea of what TK's feelings are about the AA partnership? Are they generally pleased with the traffic volume and revenue it has brought them
In general I'd say the AA codeshare is in consequential in the big picture.
THY needed connectivity at ORD and JFK, and AA was the sole airline that could provide this. Also AA was at the time viewed as being neutral for not serving Turkey itself, versus DL which does directly, or United via Lufthansa codeshares.
To put things further in context, TK-AA had a serious dispute going the summer of 2005, with AA preferential fare rates being higher than what THY could offer by selling connections on DL/Song via JFK. For several months, THY did just that and sold DL as the preferential connection flight to remain competitive in many US city pairs. Subsequently, AA agreed to reduce its pricing.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
Well, from my experience with TK from when they were a member of the Qualiflyer, all I can say is that my sympathy is for the alliance which chooses to accept them. Honestly, they were the pits to have to work with. Nothing ever worked, they always insisted on doing everything their way and were as uncooperative as you could possibly imagine. and when you finally managed to get in touch with them, nobody ever felt responsible for anything.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3406 times:
Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 10): Well, from my experience with TK from when they were a member of the Qualiflyer, all I can say is that my sympathy is for the alliance which chooses to accept them. Honestly, they were the pits to have to work with. Nothing ever worked, they always insisted on doing everything their way and were as uncooperative as you could possibly imagine. and when you finally managed to get in touch with them, nobody ever felt responsible for anything.
care to give us some more details? seeing as i work for TK i am interested
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
Well I worked for SR so we worked on the PARS reservations system. We were able to link to the reservations systems of the other member carriers, which meant you could see more or less which seats were available. Meaning you could see if there were any seats left for sale, if a class was waitlisted or if it was closed. But not with TK. You'd block seats for a class and even get a confirmed status reply from TK. And then maybe the next day you'd receive a telex that the seats were not confirmed after all as in fact the respective class ws not available after all. That was if you were lucky. If not, you'd issue a ticket for a passenger who would then go to the airport only for TK to claim that they did not have a booking for that person.
Trying to book miles seats was virtually impossible, apart from the fact that TK did not abide by the rules. According to the Qualiflyer rules, a minimum of two seats had to be released on every flight operated by an aircraft with more than 72 seats for mile redemption, which theoretically meant on every aircraft in the TK fleet if I'm not mistaken. More often than not though, you would not get seats for miles.
Calling TK didn't help matters. You'd call the number in ZRH. Either they wouldn't pick up the phone, or they'd pick up the phone and immediately slam down the receiver again simply to stop the phone from ringing, or they's talk to you in Turkish. Fair enough, its a Turkish airline, but you's think their office in ZRH would at least have one person who could speak a language other than Turkish.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
oh man...i can see how the logistics are a nightmare....i hope that we slowly start to improve...we really need to improve some things over here if we want to compete and be respected...
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
Well, you've made a good start by updating the livery. I think it's just so classy with that silver bit at the back. Is that some kind of flower? Besides, what I'm talking about was about five years ago!
Do you work in IST? That's one of my favorite cities to visit!
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3313 times:
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 16): The flower is a tulip, it's a little hard to see, but it's a start as far as [aintjobs go lol, the retro A320 looks nice though!!
I have 2 BSL and 1 ZRH flight this month!
Yeah, although I think the retro livery would look even better on an A. 340. Just imagine! Brilliant.
Funnily enough, I live in BSL and work in ZRH. The ZRH flight comes in late afternoon right?
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
yeah! they do
the BSL flight is interesting, the flightplan shows that we fly to France, because jeppessen registers it in France, but the entrance we make if we stay is to switzerland...
do u do the same job now?
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1429 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
Well kind of. I'm still in reservations but in a department which caters for the needs of the corporate traveller. So it's not just booking the flights and all that kind of stuff but also organising and maintaining corporate deals between LX and small to medium sized companies.
But I only work part-time seeing as I'm still at uni.
So do you actually have layovers in BSL as well or is that more of an exception? I mean, I like BSL but hell, it's definitely not fun city central and certainly no where near as grand as IST.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3273 times:
lol we dont have layovers, there was once where i entered though...
IST is fun but expensive as with all big cities, im really hoping that there will be more flights from other parts of turkey to CH....i miss living there for school, amazing place to be with friends for summer
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
TK has to a lot more to join an alliance in the background of the things, than just announcing it. Since I fly more than 100,000/year in the US alone few years ago I thought about switching to AA so that I can upgrade on TK flights. I had to buy the tickets from AA buckets on economy which meant paying almost double for the same seat on Y in TK flight. Then upgrade was not that easy to get; so I gave up.
I think TK will be better off not being on an alliance until customer service on the ground and background is improved a bit more. To give you an example since Qualifier days they changes their FF program twice.
But if all the chips were in the right place I'd prefer TK on Star Alliance; but that may involve LH buying some stake in TK when the company is privatized.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
Quoting DALelite (Reply 1): they already have a codeshare agreement with AA, so I figure they stick
with one world.
DALelite
Quoting Azza40 (Reply 5): it will be one world, they wont have a codeshare agreement with AA and then go and join an alliance that doesnt have AA in it
Having a codeshare agreement with AA doesn't mean systematically that TK will get stuck with OneWorld :
AF is one of the SkyTeam leaders (and founders) and has, besides, extensive codshares agreements with :
Finnair (OW) on CDG-HEL
Iberia (OW) on French Provinces - Spain
Qantas (OW) on SIN - Australia
Austrian (Star) on CDG-VIE
Malev (Star) on CDG-BUD
Etc...
And with many other airlines not belonging (yet) to any Alliance :
JAL on CDG-NRT, CDG-NGO
TAM on CDG-GRU
IranAir on CDG-THR
China Eastern on CDG-PVG
BigSky123 From Slovenia, joined Dec 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
AF is one of the SkyTeam leaders (and founders) and has, besides, extensive codshares agreements with :
Finnair (OW) on CDG-HEL
Iberia (OW) on French Provinces - Spain
Qantas (OW) on SIN - Australia
Austrian (Star) on CDG-VIE
Malev (Star) on CDG-BUD
Etc...
Malev is working on becoming a member of One World.
25 Olympicbis: What a fantastic city, really one of my favourites worldwide ! Great places, great food, nice bars and most kind and welcoming people. Love the Swiss
26 Zvezda: Malev is in Star Alliance??? I don't think so.
31 AJMIA: I see a lot of TK codeshare passengers flying AA MIA-JFK and then on to IST with TK. Everything seems to go smoothly and there are no issues. I see mo
32 Laxintl: Like I have said ultimately, THY will choose and alliance which benefits it the greatest financially, while giving it the largest presence in the over
33 Flying Belgian: Having spent a few days in IST recently I was also wondering when TK would join a major alliance. My bet was on One World, not because of the AA partn
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