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Eagle To Replace AA ORD-BDL  
User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 735 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Effective 9/6 AA will cease mainline flights on the ORD-BDL route.

Four daily S80s will be replaced by six daily ERJs.

Added Frequency will be nice, but the smaller equipment and loss of F class will be a blow to AA BDL.

AJMIA


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User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

This is rather unfortunate. This makes them more of an ALB, IAD or SWF with no mainline compared to a DTW, PHL, RDU, BWI, DCA with some mainline and some Eagle. This is what the loss of the Fokkers and the added frequencies has done to AA.


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 735 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 1):
This is rather unfortunate. This makes them more of an ALB, IAD or SWF with no mainline compared to a DTW, PHL, RDU, BWI, DCA with some mainline and some Eagle. This is what the loss of the Fokkers and the added frequencies has done to AA.

ORD-DTW will remain mixed (minus two mainline)

ORD-PHL will go all mainline (6 daily)

ORD-RDU will go all mainline (3 daily)

ORD-BWI will go all Eagle

ORD-DCA will go all mainline (7 daily)

ORD-MSP will go all mainline (8 daily)
DFW-MSP will go all mainline (6 daily)

ORD-IND will go all Eagle

ORD-BNA will go all Eagle
MIA-BNA will go all mainline (2 daily)


Seems like quite a shakeup is coming at ORD.

I guess I should have called this an ORD thread, but since I am from Connecticut BDL is what initially grabbed my attention.

MSP appears to be the big winner.

AJMIA



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User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
but the smaller equipment and loss of F class will be a blow to AA BDL.

That is quite a shame. That is why I always choose UA over AA. While AA is limiting themselfs to express on BDL-ORD, UA flys 757's, 737's and A319's.



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User currently offlineEric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 3):
That is quite a shame. That is why I always choose UA over AA. While AA is limiting themselfs to express on BDL-ORD, UA flys 757's, 737's and A319's.

I guess AA feels that F class paying passengers in BDL are not important. This all but cedes the high yield passengers to UA. I wonder how UA will respond if at all.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6729 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

I'm really surprised by this. This is a competitive route (UA/AA to ORD, WN to MDW) which has a strong business market. AA is going to lose some of that business base.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

As of this time UA will offer 7 daily flights (3x 320, 1x 319, 2x 735, and 1x E70) on ORD-BDL in Sepetmber.

It's be tough for AA to retain non-AAdvantage member market share with a handful of RJ's. UA will have the better product in the market by far.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 1):
This makes them more of an ALB, IAD or SWF with no mainline compared to a DTW, PHL, RDU, BWI, DCA with some mainline and some Eagle.

AA still flies BDL-DFW, BDL-MIA, and BDL-SJU with mainline.

PS, AJMIA, do you have a source?

But as for this BDL-ORD thing. This seems stupid. I've flown this route a few times and its was always a full plane 80% plus load. Is there an official reason as to why this is being done?



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Where are you seeing these changes? I still see all mainline on ORD-BDL through October 28.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 4):
I guess AA feels that F class paying passengers in BDL are not important.

 sarcastic  Yeeaaah, that is exactly what they were thinking when they made this switch.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4432 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
I've flown this route a few times and its was always a full plane 80% plus load.



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
I'm really surprised by this. This is a competitive route (UA/AA to ORD, WN to MDW) which has a strong business market. AA is going to lose some of that business base.

Even though the planes might be 80% + full, I think FlyPNS answers the question. Strong competition and low yields make it probably not worth it. They can downgrade to Eagle, have more frequency for the AA loyals, and probably charge a higher fare (assuming these aren't going to be CR7's). My bet why they are doing this is because there might be a lot of senior employees in BDL, so they will fire them and hire them as Eagle employees. Then, they might slowly add back some mainline.

Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 9):
Yeeaaah, that is exac btly what they were thinking when they made this switch.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a small part of the equation.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 8):
Where are you seeing these changes?

Wow, first line of the first post:

Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter):
Effective 9/6 AA will cease mainline flights on the ORD-BDL route.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 10):

Wow, first line of the first post:

I asked where, not when. AA.com and their timetable display none of these changes. Once again, where are people finding these schedules because I've yet to find them.

Jeremy


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6729 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 11):
AA.com and their timetable display none of these changes. Once again, where are people finding these schedules because I've yet to find them.

I just went to AA.com and the changes are there. Try to make a reservation from BDL to ORD and the only options are ERJ's.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 10):
My bet why they are doing this is because there might be a lot of senior employees in BDL, so they will fire them and hire them as Eagle employees

There's still mainline flights to DFW, MIA and SJU and the station will remain mainline. This is different from PVD which was converted entirely to RJ's.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

also, all 3 BDL-DFW flights go back to M80/83s from being 738s as of recently.

User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

AA seams to be shaking up Chicago, I heard Eagle took over some more of AA's real estate there and I noticed on the CLE-Ord run is going down to 5 eagles from 8 eagles in in June....


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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 4):
I guess AA feels that F class paying passengers in BDL are not important

And exactly how many actual full-fare F passenger do you think fly that route a day? Not passengers sitting in F, but pay for F?

It's not what many would think. For four flights a day, it's single digits for all flights combined.

And one per flight is good revenue, of course, but stacked up to all the other things involved in the equation it does not justify 80s vs. RJs.

Not that some of the other comments might not be true, too! But this thing about --all the First Class passengers-- is just bogus.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 735 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 4):
I guess AA feels that F class paying passengers in BDL are not important. This all but cedes the high yield passengers to UA.

In my experience the first class passenger base to BDL is not as lucrative as other nearby airports. You get far more PAID first class passengers to BOS, NYC, and HPN. BDL is more on par with SWF or PVD when it comes to full fare first class.

(I realize AA no longer has jet service to HPN, but that was cut when the S80s were pulled from ORD and not because the flights were not doing well)

I guess the rational is that AA can make more money on fewer higher coach fares with six connecting opportunities over four on the route... I am however very surprised that the route went 100% Eagle.

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 4):
I wonder how UA will respond if at all.

If UA is smart they will do nothing and enjoy the improved yeild due to the reduced capacity on the route.
If however you see UA downgrade the route to United Express then you will know that the F class market in the BDL-ORD market is FF program upgrade driven and now that AA mainline is off the route they do not need to maintain UA mainline to be competitive.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineEric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting Utapao (Reply 15):
And exactly how many actual full-fare F passenger do you think fly that route a day? Not passengers sitting in F, but pay for F?

It's not what many would think. For four flights a day, it's single digits for all flights combined.

Yeah, perhaps I made too much out of an F passenger base in Connecticut. After I posted, I began to think there might not be that many F class paying pax, but maybe the cabin has more AAdvantage memebers who claimed awards, upgraded, etc. On the other hand, revenue is revenue. You'd hate to give up any F class revenue, no matter how minute it may be. AA must know what its doing or it wouldn't do it.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 16):
(I realize AA no longer has jet service to HPN, but that was cut when the S80s were pulled from ORD and not because the flights were not doing well)

Actually, they had F100s, which were obviously retired, and the 738s, which were pulled out of ORD completely.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11963 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

While Eagle is replacing mainline on several routes like ORD-IND, ORD-BDL and ORD-BWI, AA mainline is surprisingly going to be taking over DFW-MEM from 9/6, and also taking over most of the DFW-CMH route as well. Also, as has already been posted here, ORD-PHL and ORD-DCA will also be transitioning back to all-mainline from 9/6 with frequency cuts to 6x daily on ORD-PHL and 7x daily on ORD-DCA.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

AA doesnt seem to be too interested in the northeast these days

Here is an interesting comparison

September 2006 daily seats on AA/AE

XNA (NW Ark Regional) 1404
BDL 1415

Only 9 seat difference, XNA did just under 1.2 million total pax in 2005, while BDL did over 7 million.... interesting stuff there.



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User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 664 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

I'm mixed about this one. I love that there will be an added frequency or two int he afternoon, which makes it easier to connect with the international flights out of ORD.

As for paid F flyers out of BDL. Iam one when I travel in J on company business. There are a lot of international J travelers out of BDL and they (me) are not going to want to spend time in an ERJ after coming off a 777 or 763, even if it is a relatively short flight. I'll probably end-up flying UA to ORD and then connecting to AA -- it's easy to do.



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 13):
also, all 3 BDL-DFW flights go back to M80/83s from being 738s as of recently.

This is a yearly occurance. For now, I am enjoying my 738 flights before/after by KIX flights.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quote:
AA mainline is surprisingly going to be taking over DFW-MEM from 9/6, and also taking over most of the DFW-CMH route as well.

In regards to DFW-CMH, it looks like a new frequency altogether will be added with a mainline jet, bringing AA to 6 flights a day, 4 on MD-80s and 2 on ERJ-145s. In addition, an 11th frequency will be added to ORD with a CR7. Assuming everything stays the same otherwise, with these additions AA/AE will have 30 daily flights from CMH in September:

11x ORD - 3x CR7, 7xER4, 1x ERD
6x DFW - 4x M80, 2x ER4
3x STL - 3x ERD
2x BOS - 2x ERD
7x LGA - 4x ERD, 3x ER3
1x MIA - 1x ERD


User currently offlineIndyCanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

IND is going from 8x day (1x M80, 1xM83, and 6x ER4) to 10x (all ER4). IMO, this is a great change. As someone who flies AA from IND pretty frequently the extra frequency will end up saving me some wasted time. I not a big fan of the flying cigar tubes, but for a half hour flight I'll survive. I will miss the Mad Dogs though. I just noticed that IND-DFW is going from 5x daily to 6x daily (all M80).

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