Cmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4864 times:
This is rather unfortunate. This makes them more of an ALB, IAD or SWF with no mainline compared to a DTW, PHL, RDU, BWI, DCA with some mainline and some Eagle. This is what the loss of the Fokkers and the added frequencies has done to AA.
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AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4813 times:
Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 1): This is rather unfortunate. This makes them more of an ALB, IAD or SWF with no mainline compared to a DTW, PHL, RDU, BWI, DCA with some mainline and some Eagle. This is what the loss of the Fokkers and the added frequencies has done to AA.
ORD-DTW will remain mixed (minus two mainline)
ORD-PHL will go all mainline (6 daily)
ORD-RDU will go all mainline (3 daily)
ORD-BWI will go all Eagle
ORD-DCA will go all mainline (7 daily)
ORD-MSP will go all mainline (8 daily)
DFW-MSP will go all mainline (6 daily)
ORD-IND will go all Eagle
ORD-BNA will go all Eagle
MIA-BNA will go all mainline (2 daily)
Seems like quite a shakeup is coming at ORD.
I guess I should have called this an ORD thread, but since I am from Connecticut BDL is what initially grabbed my attention.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4465 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7): I've flown this route a few times and its was always a full plane 80% plus load.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5): I'm really surprised by this. This is a competitive route (UA/AA to ORD, WN to MDW) which has a strong business market. AA is going to lose some of that business base.
Even though the planes might be 80% + full, I think FlyPNS answers the question. Strong competition and low yields make it probably not worth it. They can downgrade to Eagle, have more frequency for the AA loyals, and probably charge a higher fare (assuming these aren't going to be CR7's). My bet why they are doing this is because there might be a lot of senior employees in BDL, so they will fire them and hire them as Eagle employees. Then, they might slowly add back some mainline.
Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 9): Yeeaaah, that is exac btly what they were thinking when they made this switch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a small part of the equation.
AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
Quoting Eric777 (Reply 4): I guess AA feels that F class paying passengers in BDL are not important. This all but cedes the high yield passengers to UA.
In my experience the first class passenger base to BDL is not as lucrative as other nearby airports. You get far more PAID first class passengers to BOS, NYC, and HPN. BDL is more on par with SWF or PVD when it comes to full fare first class.
(I realize AA no longer has jet service to HPN, but that was cut when the S80s were pulled from ORD and not because the flights were not doing well)
I guess the rational is that AA can make more money on fewer higher coach fares with six connecting opportunities over four on the route... I am however very surprised that the route went 100% Eagle.
If UA is smart they will do nothing and enjoy the improved yeild due to the reduced capacity on the route.
If however you see UA downgrade the route to United Express then you will know that the F class market in the BDL-ORD market is FF program upgrade driven and now that AA mainline is off the route they do not need to maintain UA mainline to be competitive.
Eric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
Quoting Utapao (Reply 15): And exactly how many actual full-fare F passenger do you think fly that route a day? Not passengers sitting in F, but pay for F?
It's not what many would think. For four flights a day, it's single digits for all flights combined.
Yeah, perhaps I made too much out of an F passenger base in Connecticut. After I posted, I began to think there might not be that many F class paying pax, but maybe the cabin has more AAdvantage memebers who claimed awards, upgraded, etc. On the other hand, revenue is revenue. You'd hate to give up any F class revenue, no matter how minute it may be. AA must know what its doing or it wouldn't do it.
Quoting AJMIA (Reply 16): (I realize AA no longer has jet service to HPN, but that was cut when the S80s were pulled from ORD and not because the flights were not doing well)
Actually, they had F100s, which were obviously retired, and the 738s, which were pulled out of ORD completely.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12385 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
While Eagle is replacing mainline on several routes like ORD-IND, ORD-BDL and ORD-BWI, AA mainline is surprisingly going to be taking over DFW-MEM from 9/6, and also taking over most of the DFW-CMH route as well. Also, as has already been posted here, ORD-PHL and ORD-DCA will also be transitioning back to all-mainline from 9/6 with frequency cuts to 6x daily on ORD-PHL and 7x daily on ORD-DCA.
PresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
I'm mixed about this one. I love that there will be an added frequency or two int he afternoon, which makes it easier to connect with the international flights out of ORD.
As for paid F flyers out of BDL. Iam one when I travel in J on company business. There are a lot of international J travelers out of BDL and they (me) are not going to want to spend time in an ERJ after coming off a 777 or 763, even if it is a relatively short flight. I'll probably end-up flying UA to ORD and then connecting to AA -- it's easy to do.
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 13): also, all 3 BDL-DFW flights go back to M80/83s from being 738s as of recently.
This is a yearly occurance. For now, I am enjoying my 738 flights before/after by KIX flights.
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2305 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
Quote: AA mainline is surprisingly going to be taking over DFW-MEM from 9/6, and also taking over most of the DFW-CMH route as well.
In regards to DFW-CMH, it looks like a new frequency altogether will be added with a mainline jet, bringing AA to 6 flights a day, 4 on MD-80s and 2 on ERJ-145s. In addition, an 11th frequency will be added to ORD with a CR7. Assuming everything stays the same otherwise, with these additions AA/AE will have 30 daily flights from CMH in September:
IndyCanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
IND is going from 8x day (1x M80, 1xM83, and 6x ER4) to 10x (all ER4). IMO, this is a great change. As someone who flies AA from IND pretty frequently the extra frequency will end up saving me some wasted time. I not a big fan of the flying cigar tubes, but for a half hour flight I'll survive. I will miss the Mad Dogs though. I just noticed that IND-DFW is going from 5x daily to 6x daily (all M80).