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Could BA Come Back To LBA?  
User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 759 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

maybe with ba connect , what about LBA-LGW

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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I find it highly unlikely... LBA is Jet2 and bmi's turf now, don't think BA would wanna even try challenging it to be honest!!


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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Doubt BA will return to LBA on a scheduled basis for a very long time. BA already operated (through CitiExpress) LBA-LGW with AT4's a few years ago and then decided to ditch it.

The only BA Connect aircraft viable for LBA-LGW would be the Dash 8-300, and these are based at MAN, with none at LGW.

As already mentioned, LS are dominant, though BD could well be given a run for their money on GLA and EDI services should anyone wish to challenge, given the comparatively high fares and yet still good loads carried.



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

I doubt BA will ever fly to LBA again. Most of their services have been taken over by Air Southwest and Eastern Airways.

However, I think someone needs to reinstate the route between LBA and LGW very soon - there is demand for it!

I'm a student in Leeds and live south of London. Getting between the two is a nightmare. The trains are unreliable, overcrowded (even more so now as GNER have recently announced they haven't been given permission from the DfT to increase the number of services between Leeds and Kings Cross) and expensive. Plus, there is the hassle of getting across London on the tube - not good with lots of luggage. The roads are no better; the M1 always seems to have roadworks somewhere along it and, again, getting across (or around!) London is a hassle. Journey times have often exceeded 6 hours.

I'm sure it's not just the students who would appreciate the link... there are many reasons why people would want to travel between the two areas of the country quickly.

How come the south west of England has so many flights to LBA? You can fly from LBA to BRS, PLH, NQY and EXT.

The only airlink between the south east of England and LBA at the moment is LHR. It seems very popular; both with business travellers and those who are connecting at LHR for destinations further afield. However, LHR is not convenient for areas to the south and south east of London. The service BD offer is also not very good value for money. The cheapest I have ever paid for it is GBP44.50 which, in my view, is very expensive for a 35 minute flight (especially as I had to pay for a drink on top!).

If the route to LGW was to be reinstated, I think BD, U2 and LS are the only contendors. That said, BD isn't really because it doesn't offer scheduled services from LGW and I doubt it ever will given its current state of affairs. U2 is also highly unlikely because LBA is now LS land.

So that leaves LS. They already operate to LGW from MAN. Recently, they have leased a BAe146 from Flightline to operate the route. Why can't they just lease another BAe146 and operate it from LBA to LGW?

If LS offered fares in the region of GBP25.00 each way I think they could make a lot of profit.

If LS aren't going to do it, will someone please start an airline and do it for them?!  Smile



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
The cheapest I have ever paid for it is GBP44.50 which, in my view, is very expensive for a 35 minute flight (especially as I had to pay for a drink on top!).

Thats cheap. How much DO you want to pay ?. Thats a little over £1.27 a minute. It's cheaper than a taxi from LHR - Central London and people don't whinge about taxi fares !!!.

 Smile



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 5):
It's cheaper than a taxi from LHR

Yes I do see where you're coming from, but I was comparing the price to other (low cost) airlines. You can go a long way for GBP44.50 nowadays!

Bear in mind that price is the absolute cheapest available (ie: only on some flights, when booked months in advance). If you miss out on the few tiny fares that are available on each flight, then you could be paying well into three figures for the same seat.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 5):
How much DO you want to pay ?

GBP30.00 would be my type of price for that journey.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 6):
GBP30.00 would be my type of price for that journey.

Well tell FR to start the route... But it is incredible how some people are complaining about GBP47.00 flights when a few years ago, anyone would have paid 100 or more without saying anything.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24816 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

LBA doesn't need BA.
They have Jet2 who have done an amazing job @ LBA.
Who would have thought 5 years ago, that LBA would have 737 flights to Dusseldorf, Prague, Rome and Paris?



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 3):
The service BD offer is also not very good value for money. The cheapest I have ever paid for it is GBP44.50 which, in my view, is very expensive for a 35 minute flight (especially as I had to pay for a drink on top!).

How could an airline make a profit flying into LHR cheaper than that?! AIRMALTA - you said exactly what I was thinking.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 3):
That said, BD isn't really because it doesn't offer scheduled services from LGW and I doubt it ever will given its current state of affairs.

So you think that if BD were not 'on their knees*' they should open a LGW base?

*the opinion of most of airliners.net - myself not included


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
Well tell FR to start the route... But it is incredible how some people are complaining about GBP47.00 flights when a few years ago, anyone would have paid 100 or more without saying anything.

Yes, I know. It is quite extraordinary how flying has reduced in price so much. I was looking at FR flights from LGW to various places in Ireland the other day. If you book far enough in advance it is around GBP20.00 return including all taxes. I've also recently booked flights to PFO in the summer - I used to pay upwards of GBP300 and I got a ticket for GBP175 this year.

Perhaps I should suggest the LGW to LBA route to FR. They already have a presence at both airports.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
LBA doesn't need BA.

I agree.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
How could an airline make a profit flying into LHR cheaper than that?!

They can't really. Hence my suggestion to start the route to LGW.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 8):
o you think that if BD were not 'on their knees*' they should open a LGW base?

I doubt that is likely. LGW isn't suited for BD. BD aims at the business market mostly; LGW is more of a leisure airport.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 9):
I doubt that is likely. LGW isn't suited for BD. BD aims at the business market mostly; LGW is more of a leisure airport.

I was being sarcastic  Wink


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Who would have thought 5 years ago, that LBA would have 737 flights to Dusseldorf, Prague, Rome and Paris?

I did. I knew from living in Yorkshire that the potential for a lo-co from LBA was going to be a dead cert as people from Yorkshire hate having to trapse over to MAN when they have their own airport on the doorstep. Unfortunately I am not a multi-millionaire business man so am not in a position to start my own airline !!!. I also knew that the lo-co concept would work in OZ 3 years before Virgin Blue was thought of.

 Smile



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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 10):
I was being sarcastic Wink

Ah well!

Does anyone have any more thoughts on the route between LGW and LBA? Do you think it would be profitable? Do you think there is any chance of it being reinstated?

Is there anyone out there who knows whether Jet2 are actually looking into it?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Whilst on the subject of BA at LBA, can anybody with access to the archives provide a reg for the final BA flight into LBA back in 1980(I think!)?

We were actually booked onto the BA5420 which was transferred to BD to avoid both airlines having to fly positioning sectors - luckily BA staff at LBA realised we had booked with the intention of flying their last service and rebooked us onto the earlier BA5418.

If anyone could help out with the a/c info from this flight it would be very much appreciated.


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting Steve7E7 (Reply 13):
We were actually booked onto the BA5420 which was transferred to BD to avoid both airlines having to fly positioning sectors - luckily BA staff at LBA realised we had booked with the intention of flying their last service and rebooked us onto the earlier BA5418.

So now I know where BD got their LBA/LHR flight numbers from - interesting...

What equipment did BA use on the LBA flights? I assume Viscounts, maybe BAC 1-11s??


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting Steve7E7 (Reply 13):
the final BA flight into LBA back in 1980(I think!)?

The last flight BA operated from LBA was in 2003 with CitiExpress equipment.

See the following: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...38&prev_id=0320606&next_id=0306022



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 15):
The last flight BA operated from LBA was in 2003 with CitiExpress equipment

I actually meant MAINLINE BA-sorry for any confusion.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 14):
What equipment did BA use on the LBA flights? I assume Viscounts, maybe BAC 1-11s??

Viscounts were generally used although on occasions a 1-11 turned up - usually on the mid-afternoon weekday BA5416 service. Weekend services were invariably with the VCV.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting Steve7E7 (Reply 16):
I actually meant MAINLINE BA-sorry for any confusion.

Apologies; my mistake.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
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