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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

1. As I was waiting for my flight in concourse A, i noticed that when some planes were landing, they would come in at a slight angle, then make a sharp left turn and then a right turn to line up with the runway...is there a certain reason they do that? This weekend was my first time in DC so i am not that familiar with DCA.

2. Is there a reason why they made the windows in the CRJs a little low? Every time i fly one of those I have to practically strain my neck to look out the window and today i am hurting after my flight from DCA  Smile


thanks and cheers  Smile


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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
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The first thing you described is the normal approach to runway 33. They come in more or less straight in with the rest of the planes that are headed for runway 1, and then at the last minute swing out of the approach by making a large right turn, and then lining up with runway 33 with the left turn that you described.

I cant answer your question about CRJs, I've never been on one. My guess is thath they are tiny little planes anyways, so there simply might just be less space available.

-AA777

[Edited 2006-05-08 19:06:40]

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Approaches to 33 usually make a right followed by a left (not a left followed by a right).

If the aircraft were landing to the south they follow the "RIVER VISUAL" approach to Rwy 19, which follows the twists and turns of the Potomac from the American Legion Bridge to the field. (Look at this image )

[Edited 2006-05-08 19:46:14]


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User currently offlineHoosierCFI From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

The reason for the turn at the last minute is because of the prohibited area (White House, the mall, etc.)

If a plane came straight in from the north, they would fly over this.

The same thing happens when a plane takes off to the north, with a turn immediately after take-off.


User currently offlineScrappy74 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 97 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
Is there a reason why they made the windows in the CRJs a little low? Every time i fly one of those I have to practically strain my neck to look out the window and today i am hurting after my flight from DCA

I don't have many problems w/ this bc I am on the small/short side, but even IMO the windows a rather low, espec. on early series CRJ's. Again IMHO, ERJ's are more comfortable.

Which way did you take off this morning?



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

i took off on runway 19 i believe..we took off going parallel of the terminal building in the direction of the USAirways concourse...sorry..i am still a little fuzzy on the direction at that airport  Smile I did see the washington monument when we took off.


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Ok, so you took off to the North (on Rwy 1). In this case I believe that AA777's answer was the correct one as aircraft were probably landing to the North ... but an approach to 33 would have been a right turn followed by a left as he said.

Sometimes the controllers make inbound aircraft do "S-turns" to increase spacing.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Ok...i just thought it was weird seeing a plane doing that right before landing. I must also say, that concourse A seems very dark and dingy. I am assuming that it was one of the original concourses?? THe bathroom made it feel like i was in the bottom of some old abandoned building *lol*


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User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 7):
I must also say, that concourse A seems very dark and dingy. I am assuming that it was one of the original concourses?? THe bathroom made it feel like i was in the bottom of some old abandoned building *lol*

Concourse A is the original building.. last I was there (about three weeks ago) it looked like they were going to turn part of it into an aviation museum of some sort though.

Don't think of it so much as being at the bottom of an old abandoned building... think of it rather as a bad memory of a 50's movie that just refuses to end  Wink


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

However one classifys it..it is not attractive. Are there any plans to renovate that concourse?


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User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1548 times:
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B is one of the most beautiful I've ever been in though...a hell of a contrast


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

This morning, i was with my grandmother and aunt and we all took different flights. My aunt was on USAirways, grandmother on Delta and i was on northwest. We were dropped off at Delta and i must say...it was a nice long walk from delta to northwest  Smile But i like the terminal building that has Delta, etc.


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User currently offlineScrappy74 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 97 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 8):
Don't think of it so much as being at the bottom of an old abandoned building... think of it rather as a bad memory of a 50's movie that just refuses to end

{ROFL} Sad but true...B on the other hand is gorgeous, DCA has been my "home" airport since late '02. I said it in another post but it's worth repeating that IMHO TSA is on its game at DCA, I've had very few security related problems there.

It's particularly bizarre to have the ATA baggage coming around the carousel as you check in, reminds me a tad of MHT in the early 90's.


--- Scrappy



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

I was noticing, when i arrived there on friday, that the bag claim was right in front of the check in...i must also say that i had to wait only 7 minutes when i got to the claim on friday for my bag.


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

A couple of impressions I got of DCA when I went in 2003:

Concourses A and B are very poorly connected - I had to meet my tour group in Concourse B, and I came in on a NW flight into A. I had a coat on (Nov in MSP is chilly) but DC happened to be 80 degrees. Combine wearing a coat with dragging a 50 lb old suitcase (had a strap and small wheels, but nothing close to a nice roller handle), while walking through a long, glass corridor exposed to the sun. VERY hot!

Also, our 757 didn't do much banking at all, so I'm pretty sure we landed on runway 15. How often is runway 15 used, and is it long enough for 757 operations? (752 specifically)

Concourse B was very nice however, as our shuttle bus refused to drop us off at A, and we had to make the same walk back to A at the end of our trip!


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

That is a long walk...A is in a world of its own. I think they need to either renovate A and have some kind of moving walkway or something that people can use so that it makes it easier.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
2. Is there a reason why they made the windows in the CRJs a little low? Every time i fly one of those I have to practically strain my neck to look out the window and today i am hurting after my flight from DCA

This is part of the reason I hate CRJs. While I do appreciate the smaller markets they serve - for many it is probably the only jet service they see - man it sucks when trying to look out the window! I am 'average' height and any CRJ flight usually puts a crick in my neck!

One of the other posters is correct - the ERJ is less of a pain in the neck. But only slightly. By contrast, the E170/190 series of aircraft, while not RJs, they are smaller aircraft and have HUGE windows, reminiscient of Viscounts of old.



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User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

When I land at DCA and am flying United and listening to Channel 9, I sometimes hear the tower ask another arriving flight if it can land on 33 instead of 1. And sometimes the pilot says no. Or perhaps it is on takeoff. I can't remember.

I used to live in Crystal City in an apartment across from DCA, and I stopped counting the number of go-arounds I used to see.

I still miss the pre- 9/11 US Airways 727 shuttles to LGA. Nothing like taking off in Washington on Rwy 1, flying past the White House and Capitol, and then flying past Manhattan and over Shea Stadium, and deplaning at LGA through the rear stairs onto the tarmac. All of that, plus incredible legroom! Sorry, I am getting way off-topic.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

I was impressed that even with the rain this morning, most flights were on time or even early at DCA.


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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 16):
This is part of the reason I hate CRJs. While I do appreciate the smaller markets they serve - for many it is probably the only jet service they see - man it sucks when trying to look out the window! I am 'average' height and any CRJ flight usually puts a crick in my neck!

Yes I do not think Bombardier design their aircraft so that everyone has a compfortable view staring out their window. I do agree however to your comment about the market it serves. The aircraft was designed to suit the small regional demand and hell it has done a good job.  Smile


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

And i was able to actually take some video with my phone without being interrupted by anyone like the lady who made a stink about it on the way there  Smile


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