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TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route  
User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

TAME, an airline from Ecuador, that links UIO-TUA-CLO switched since the beginning of May the aircraft used on that route. They were using a Fokker 28 and now they fly on one of their brand new Embraer 170. I believe is the first airplane of this type to fly in a regular basis to an airport in Colombia.

Something that surprises me is the little noise TAME did regarding this change. Just a short note in Cali´s local newspaper. I think they missed an opportunity to attract more passengers to use its service.

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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Something that surprises me is the little noise TAME did regarding this change.

TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Hopefully with this new positive change they would indeed drag more passengers onto their planes.


SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Well, very nice, i had heard Aerocivil made them suspend their service until they got a decent plane. And the Emb-170 is more than decent.

Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
I believe is the first airplane of this type to fly in a regular basis to an airport in Colombia.

Specifically the 170, yes. But CM has been flying 190s to ADZ and CTG for quite a while, sometimes sending them to BAQ too.


User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
Well, very nice, i had heard Aerocivil made them suspend their service until they got a decent plane.

What was wrong with the F-28 then?


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting Dakota (Reply 3):
What was wrong with the F-28 then?

Too noisy and too polluting. No carrier is allowed to fly than plane to Colombia anymore.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2563 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting Dakota (Reply 3):
What was wrong with the F-28 then?

Did not comply with noise regulations.


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4230 times:
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CM has also flown their 190's to BOG.

AV757


User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Hopefully with this new positive change they would indeed drag more passengers onto their planes.


SOUTHAMERICA

Its the only airline in the region offering connection from the northern border of ecuador and the capital to an other city in colombia beside bogota. They used to get little passenger counts and thats why they sent the F28 and not the 721. Also the MTOW was pretty limited to cali CALI, mainly because of the stop over at TULCAN. Limited due to temperature, rwy length and analisis and the height of the city. So you cant expect to take out SOO many passengers either.

[Edited 2006-05-10 02:11:21]

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 7):
Limited due to temperature, rwy length and analisis and the height of the city.

Yes, Cali is hot but:

The runway is 3000x45m long, cant imagine many commercial aircraft except maybe an A340-600, a 747 or an A380 having problems...

CLO is at 900m over sea level, there is not a problem with elevation.


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Average loads for 2005 (january - july) were 47%. Although not spectacular, I bet they do some money otherwise I don´t see how Tame has been able to support this route for 14 years. Right now Cali is Tame´s only international destination, some time ago they dropped its routes to Lima, Santiago and Havana.


User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
Yes, Cali is hot but:

The runway is 3000x45m long, cant imagine many commercial aircraft except maybe an A340-600, a 747 or an A380 having problems...

CLO is at 900m over sea level, there is not a problem with elevation.

Umm, I meant TULCAN, http://gc.kls2.com/airport/TUA . thats a tougher airport.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 7):
Its the only airline in the region offering connection from the northern border of ecuador and the capital to an other city in colombia beside bogota.

True. However, Aires regularly flies between Cali and Ipiales on a three-weekly basis as well, serving a very similar market to that of Tulcan.

Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 9):
Average loads for 2005 (january - july) were 47%. Although not spectacular, I bet they do some money otherwise I don´t see how Tame has been able to support this route for 14 years.

Despite not knowing the internal dynamics of TAME, state-owned airlines are not precisely known for being extremely business-driven. It wouldn't be too surprising if they have mantained this route under marginal profits. Who knows.

But these flights do tend to have a higher-yielding profile, since they are catering for a very limited market with little offer. Such low loads mean that yields are at least enough to minimally break-even.

For a similar example, look at Cali-Tumaco for instance, easily one of Avianca's highest-yielding routes in their domestic system, regardless of loads or profits.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 6):
CM has also flown their 190's to BOG.

AV757

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On other hands i'm alos surprised that Ame hasn't pulled the p`lug off CLO route, maybe with this movement they go better

Gus



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 4):
No carrier is allowed to fly than plane to Colombia anymore.

Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines"....... wink 



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 13):
Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines".......

I understand that the FAC F-28 (former presidential plane) was refurbished in order to comply with Aerocivil regulations.. am I right?


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
I understand that the FAC F-28 (former presidential plane) was refurbished in order to comply with Aerocivil regulations.. am I right?

Right after the new plane was received, plans were to improve the engines (I don't know if that meant new ones or what.......) and give the old bird a nice MX. I think the President still use for places the 737 can't go. Also that the F-28 is used by the military and some ministros for their official use.

Last february on my way to MED i saw parked on Catam, but on my way back was gone, I assumed it was flying, of course, could be parked somewhere else.......


Good luck.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

What I don't understand about this is why EQ stops at Tulcan. Why don't they go to Cali directly?

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Speaking of the devil I just saw from my apartment the former presidential F-28 taking off from Bogota, north bound and it was a little bit louder than a MD-83. It's a shame a didn't have my camera with me..........


Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 13):
Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines".......

Indeed!

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 10):
Umm, I meant TULCAN

Oh sorry, i thought you meant CLO. Well, still, the flight from TUA is like what 40 minutes....its not so long...


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):
What I don't understand about this is why EQ stops at Tulcan. Why don't they go to Cali directly?

Soren

This is due to govermental restrictions. TAME has to stop in Tulcan in order to have rights to fly the whole route.

Very much like regulations for new frecuencies between Spain and Colombia. Air Madrid has to stop in Cartagena in order to fly from Madrid to Bogota (Air Madrid choices were touristic cities in the caribbean coast). Other option is code-share, Air Comet went for this and flies MAD-BOG with Aerorepublica; Avianca flies CLO-MAD with Iberia.

The point for this is to develop underserved markets...


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