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SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?  
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13600 times:

This thread is intended to discuss what will be the outcome of toady's board meeting at Singapore Airlines.

This is what I believe might come out of the board meeting.

1: Orders for 777-200LR to replace the A340-500.
2: Boeing 747-8 Freighter
3: They will decide if they will wait for Airbus to come up with a better performing A350 or if they go for the 787 they might as well order it today.

Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

I have a feeling it is going to be a very bad day for Airbus.

I think we may see 748F, 772LR, 787s, and more 773ERs.

[Edited 2006-05-09 10:41:54]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

The board has met and the outcome will be known shortly.

I predict: Unfortunately no order.

Prove me wrong Singapore Airlines Group!



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
I predict: Unfortunately no order.

I certainly hope they will order something today. This is what we at Airliners.net has been looking for so long now!



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

LOL i'm not sure I want to be here if and when they do announce a massive new order and you start creaming yourself about how Singapore Airlines Ltd (a subsidiary of Temasek Holdings Ltd) is now the most modern...blah blah blah...

Cathay Pacific are miles better - deal with it! LMAO Big grin



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13279 times:

Maybe Chris but LMAO would be an appropriate ending for your last paragraph!


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13194 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
Maybe Chris but LMAO would be an appropriate ending for your last paragraph!

Khoa - when are you going to make everyone feel better and go and work for SQ rather than just merely obsessing about them?  Wink



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

I would not expect any major announcements from SQ until Farnborough. After all they were one of the airlines that pushed Airbus into offering a new A350 fuselage.

Now that Airbus is proposing a larger A350 to compete even more directly with the B777 series, I'm sure that they will pay even closer attention as more facts start to become known.

I also don't see them placing any B748i orders in the near term. The proposed A350-1000, may possibly make the B478i even less attractive. As for the B748F that's another story.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13123 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):

WINGS, you bring up some good points. Thank you. In the current aviation environment, no one can afford to make a hasty equipment-procurement decision, or do so without negotiating long and hard with the manufacturers.


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12993 times:

Hi Wings,

i have to agree with you.The SQ fleet will be build around B777-300ER and the A388 - i do not see a need to put the B748I in between.

The A350-1000X or B787-10X could play a very important role in SQ�s fleet planning.Probably the A350 more than the B787, because i do NOT see SQ squeezing 9 seats in eco in the B787, but they could do that easily in the A350.


Johnny  Smile


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12919 times:
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Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program and that in response Board has mandated their Fleet Planners to "enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Source: SIA Live media conference currently being broadcast on Bloomberg AV.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9979 posts, RR: 96
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12871 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program

No hints as to what it was?
Regards


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12871 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program and that in response Board has mandated their Fleet Planners to "enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Source: SIA Live media conference currently being broadcast on Bloomberg AV.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Thank you for sharing this information. Do you know when we can expect to see some orders? Does this include the 787 segment?



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 90
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12765 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 11):
No hints as to what it was?

No sir, he did not even imply a model. Note he used the word manufacturer's, could be a split order or more likely he was being very diplomatic.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 12):
Do you know when we can expect to see some orders? Does this include the 787 segment?

Yes, when final negotiations are completed, this appears, to me, to be like QF, aggressive last minute Tenders causing the Board to re-evaluate. He did confirm that the models and number of frames for the RFP have been set.

Mr Chew mentioned that subject to certification that A380 delivery for November is on schedule and that they are happy with the progress that has been made in that regard.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12738 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Mr Chew mentioned that subject to certification that A380 delivery for November is on schedule and that they are happy with the progress that has been made in that regard.

Well at least some good news in regards to the A380 program. After all their first A380 has had it's first flight.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Note he used the word manufacturer's, could be a split order or more likely he was being very diplomatic.

Well noted PanAm_DC10.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12653 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 9):
The A350-1000X or B787-10X could play a very important role in SQ�s fleet planning.Probably the A350 more than the B787, because i do NOT see SQ squeezing 9 seats in eco in the B787, but they could do that easily in the A350.

I have to disagree with you.
1. I think if SQ got the 787 they would be very happy putting 9 abreast.
2. The current A350 is NARROWER than the 787, so yea!! what you're saying makes loads of sense. I'm sure they could easily fit 9 seats in the A350- if they purchased seats that were half the width!!!!!!!
3. Boeing has formally acknowledged a proposed 787-10X, Airbus is running around like a headless chicken pulling numbers from the sky A350, A370, perhaps they will launch an A360 at the same time. Airbus need to give some clarity as to what exactly they are selling or proposing!!!

I have a lot of respect for Airbus, but I think they have a lot of work to do inorder to 'take the market by storm' especially t win Ek and SQ.

Cheers
AA1818



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12585 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
"enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Means some from A some from B I think....................


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5018 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):
2. The current A350 is NARROWER than the 787, so yea!! what you're saying makes loads of sense. I'm sure they could easily fit 9 seats in the A350- if they purchased seats that were half the width!!!!!!!

He is obviously talking about the strongly rumored "new" A350, which has a fuselage 500mm wider than the current one.


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

@ AA1818

1. I am talking about the new 50cm wider fuselage.

2. Airbus is not running around like a headless chicken.For us it looks like that in the moment, but i would guess that is only for people which are not involved directly.The airlines themselves have much more details AND a valid name for the new Busses - you can be very sure..!

Let us face the situation - two new airplanes with the same size at the same time.That happened never before and is a big advantage, but only for the airlines, not for A and B...

It was probably never cheaper to buy longhaul airplanes in the last years...


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5018 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 18):
Let us face the situation - two new airplanes with the same size at the same time.That happened never before and is a big advantage, but only for the airlines, not for A and B...

L.1011 and DC-10?
767 and A310?
A330/340 and 777?

Plenty of examples.


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12327 times:

@ Scorpio

Ok, agree with the DC10 and L1011.That is sooo long ago.

But not with the A310/B767 and B777/A330+340
There was time difference between all competing models.

I was meaning new airplanes for the same business which are developed at exactly the same time.
Take for example SIA: They ordered the MD11,replaced that order with the A343 and replaced that order again with the B777.If all three airplanes would have been available at the same time, SQ would have had a great time to choose their best airplane at a VERY good rate.And this is what happens today.Two airplanes for exactly the same requirement.

A great time to buy !!!


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 18):
Airbus is not running around like a headless chicken.For us it looks like that in the moment, but i would guess that is only for people which are not involved directly.



Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
Two airplanes for exactly the same requirement.

Which is it? Are we in the dark on the specs of Airbus's offering, or is the proposed aircraft aimed at exactly the same segment as the 787?



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
Ok, agree with the DC10 and L1011.That is sooo long ago.

Well you did say in your original post that two aeroplanes developed at the same time had never happened before, so the DC10 vs L1011 is valid. I'd add to that the 707 / DC-8 / CV880/990. All at the same time also.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12350 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 22):
I'd add to that the 707 / DC-8 / CV880/990. All at the same time also.

And there's some historical parallels as well: The 707 lost its first two marketing battles against the DC-8, because it was too narrow! They only began to win some battles till they made it wider!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707

Quote:
A late and costly decision was to widen the fuselage by 6 inches (150 mm) compared to the original 367-80 and KC-135 so as to be a little wider than the Douglas DC-8.

And we've been "enjoying" that fuselage width ever since (B727, B737, B757).



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User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Anyone have any figures on the seat width for 8 and 9 abreast in the B787. Then throw in the figures for the old 8 abreast in the A350 also.

25 Amirs : Will the cabin pressure in the new A350 be 8,000 ft or like in the 787 around 6,000 ft. Will the new A350 have larger windows like the B787? In which
26 UAL747-600 : No order from SQ today. Alas, I feel we have chosen the wrong hobby. Ours is one of many months of waiting and idle speculation followed by a few minu
27 Timboflier215 : LOL indeed! If they went airbus (unlikely, I know), then the order probably won't be announced until Farnborough or some other large airshow. If they
28 Ken777 : Sometimes it's more fun before the orders - there is a lot more room to make a guess. Right now it looks like SQ is turning the screws even tighter on
29 Scorpio : The 767 and the A310 were launched within a month of each other. And the 777 and A330/340 were closer together than the A350 and 787 will be. And, as
30 11Bravo : Actually it sounds to me as if the decision has been made and it's a matter of finalizing the order details depending on exactly what they've decided
31 Ikramerica : We should not forget that a jet order, even from one airframe manufacturer, deals also with engine manufacturers, interior fittings manufacturers, et
32 Atmx2000 : Or SQ is going to go crazy and order tons of regional jets from E and the other B.
33 Piercey : 100% agreed. ha, I wish. Either way: 30 787s 5 772LR 10 773ER either 748i options or A380 options X 748F (don't follow the cargo arms that much)
34 FCKC : They still have an eye open on the A380F.
35 Zvezda : SQ cannot afford to wait too long before making a decision on how to replace their remaining JumboJets. The last Megatop is scheduled to be retired f
36 Intothinair : Small correction, SQ ordered 19 777-300ER with 12 options. My guess would be that they do not need a 747-800 and will exercise the 12 options at farn
37 Johnny : The B748i is the only widebody which is currently under development which does NOT interest Emirates to buy it... In my opinion THIS and the lack of P
38 BoeingBus : Dude, sorry but you need to put more thought into your responses.... For one, the 748 has no competition in this segment as the A346 and 773 is too s
39 Post contains images Johnny : @BoeingBus I guess these people know exactly that they are meant by my comment. YOU are not one of them! But your comment about no competition of the
40 Zvezda : Of the 19 B777-300ERs that SQ has on firm order, 9 are scheduled for delivery before 31 March 2007. Of the 10 aircraft larger than the B777-300ER tha
41 Manni : 18 748F have been sold last year, 20 A380's (including 10 freighters), I've been starring at these numbers, but with the best intention I can't figur
42 JayinKitsap : I think he meant that the 747 sold 43 net last year, 18 of the 748F, the other 25 are 744F models. 2 744F's have been sold this year so far. I think t
43 TrevD : Hmmmm, wonder if this means there may be some 2010 787 positions available. Someone could make a lot of money and steal a march on some competitors if
44 Manni : Then he should be more clear. The 748 hardly competes with the A380. The 744F (the only 744 version that has been sold in the last years) doesn't com
45 Reyes27 : I don't think Boeing is hiding the fact that the design is from an older model keeping the 747 name...
46 KC135TopBoom : Hmmmmm, Maybe not as passenger airplanes, but the B-747F and A-380F clearly compete directly with each other. But, back of this topic. I would suspec
47 Zvezda : I think it is more likely that SQ will order 8 or 10 or so B747-8F with options on at least 10 B747-8Is in addition to some B747-8F options. This way
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