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Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?  
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8653 times:

Take a look at the caption of this photo:

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Photo © Philippe Ballerstedt



I didn't see any new work on it. Is the photographer just mixing up his words, or is ATL really getting rid of a brand new runway?

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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8644 times:

I am guessing his meaning of "terminated" means that it's nearing completion.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8593 times:

I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8554 times:

The opening of the fifth runway later this month is expected to enable a 25% - 35% increase in capacity at the world's busiest airport. This, combined with Delta's overall flight reduction, should greatly reduce delays. As far as the caption, Philippe's command of the English language is still better than many Americans, including some who post regularly here.

User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8554 times:

Bad choice of words. "Terminating" construction, I guess. The runway opens in a few days. They are planning of having a major ceremony first, and there will be a multiple K race on the runway. That should be a security nightmare. I don't know who the genius was who thought up the idea, but I can venture a few guesses.

If you look closely at the picture, which really is great, you see a lot of brown ground near the old tower. That may actually become the site of our next terminal, if the corrupt city government can ever get its bids out.

Even though the existing terminals are really in need of a major make over, this has got to be one of the easiest airports I have ever used to navigate. I can't say that this airport alone put Atlanta on the map, but it really went a long way in helping. Thank you Mayor Jackson, you did well with your dreams and planning.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

Runway 10/28 opens on May 16th. Here is the run of show:

8:00 a.m.
Registration & Reception*

8:30 a.m.
Shuttles Depart to Runway*

8:30 a.m.
Complementary Commemorative Pictures Available with General Manager Ben DeCosta.

9:45 a.m.
Last Shuttles Depart to Runway
(All guests must arrive no later than 9:15 a.m. to register and catch final shuttle at 9:45 a.m.)

10:00 a.m.
Ceremony Begins

11:00 a.m.
Shuttles Available for Departure to Parking Lot

11:00 a.m.
Lunch & Entertainment

12:00 p.m.
Shuttle Service Resumes




*activity takes place at hangar located at 1000 Inner Loop Road, Atlanta, GA 30337 (see attached map).


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

The Public Day is nothing new for airports opening new runways, including large hubs. Minneapolis/St. Paul and Denver both come to mind as airports who have held similar events prior to the official opening of a new runway. Sure, it will be logistically challenging, but it might not be a much of a nightmare because Runway 10/28 is so far removed from the rest of the airfield. There is only one way to get over to the north side, via the set of parallel taxiways. That will allow the Airport to maintain control fairly easily, I think. We'll see. Wish I could be there to participate.

The East Terminal will happen, just not as soon as many had hoped. There's no way to avoid its construction, because International traffic will continue to grow, and there needs to be another point of ingress/egress to Concourse E, along with more dual-use gate capacity. I think it'll be under construction by the time the new west side Consolidated Rental Car Facility opens in 2009.

Also, the new ATC tower will be operational sometime next week, as I understand. Hope to see the view from nearly 400' above ATL very soon!

AAflyguy


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
There is only one way to get over to the north side, via the set of parallel taxiways. That will allow the Airport to maintain control fairly easily, I think. We'll see. Wish I could be there to participate.

Indeed, as such, 10/28 is pretty much isolated from the rest of the field. Cars/Trucks driving along I-285 could probably be considered a bigger 'risk' if anything.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
The East Terminal will happen, just not as soon as many had hoped. There's no way to avoid its construction, because International traffic will continue to grow,

Absolutely, hence why DL will return to the T-gates for international widebody departures, and pretty much all CRJ int'ls being back in C or D.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
and there needs to be another point of ingress/egress to Concourse E, along with more dual-use gate capacity. I think it'll be under construction by the time the new west side Consolidated Rental Car Facility opens in 2009.

An alternative to the train would definitely be nice, though then again, I wonder how they'll handle connections to the CONRAC. An extension of the planned CONRAC train would probably be very expensive, and a bus trip along I-285, especially during rush hour, could be a real pain in the a$$.


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

AirTran is pushing hard for the airport, the city, and even the state to get moving on the South Terminal. AirTran needs to know it will have enough domestic gates for growth beyond 2010.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21879 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8245 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 4):
They are planning of having a major ceremony first, and there will be a multiple K race on the runway. That should be a security nightmare.

I did a 5K run at JFK, and there was no security issues (no metal detectors or anything, though there were a decent number of Port Authority cars there to make sure that nobody left the course). And the runway at JFK (13R/31L) is a lot less isolated than the new one at ATL.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8088 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 5):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

Runway 10/28 opens on May 16th.

By opening, I believe Positiverate's referring too when the runway actually opens to air traffic.

Other events (following the earlier-mentioned May 16 ceremony) will be the Employee Day event on May 19 and the 5k run/Community Day event (open to the public) on May 20.

The 5k run (covered in the Non-Av. section) has already maxed out at 1500 registrants. The race will preceed the Community Day event.

[Edited 2006-05-09 18:04:50]


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

This runway will also become quite handy when 8R-26L (ski slope) gets closed for two months in the fall for a reconstruction/rehab (note to those planning rennaisance spotting trips!) But the 5 runways for the summer thunderstorm season will be quite nice.


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User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

If you look at the top of your picture, you will see the 5th runway. Its actually "south" of the terminals (or above using this picture's orientation). You can even see the runway markings painted in white at the ends.

User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7944 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
This runway will also become quite handy when 8R-26L (ski slope) gets closed for two months in the fall for a reconstruction/rehab

Don't know exactly which runway will be closed for refurb first but
09R-27L & 8L-26R are the primary landing runways at ATL. They have taken much abuse over the years and a DL Capt told me that they (WBHJAAuthority) will close one runway and when that runway is finished they will close the other runway.So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways
(9L-27R & 8R-26L.) Judging on how long it took them to build this runway, I seriously doubt they'll have 1 runway done in 2 months. But you never know!
KD MLB


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Concourses C & D don't have Federal Inspection Service facilities, therefore can't accommodate arriving international service, other than pre-cleared Canadian and perhaps Aruba service (and any other Caribbean markets with pre-clearance, if there are any).

And is DL really considering moving some International service back to T? I had heard nothing about it, and am rather surprised to read that here.

The view of cars on the bridges associated with the I-285 & I-85 junction will get an incredible view of traffic on Runway 10/28. You can see down the entire length of the pavement from the elevated interstate bridges.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 14):
Concourses C & D don't have Federal Inspection Service facilities, therefore can't accommodate arriving international service, other than pre-cleared Canadian and perhaps Aruba service (and any other Caribbean markets with pre-clearance, if there are any).

Hence I talked about "departures"  Wink .

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 14):
And is DL really considering moving some International service back to T? I had heard nothing about it, and am rather surprised to read that here.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2689769/


User currently offlineFlyBaby From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

This new runway will be a big relief to those of us who have to go through Atlanta in the summer, especially in the afternoons when the rain clouds do patrol duty over ATL.

It's too bad that they didn't end up building the additional taxiway they originally planned to at the Eastern end of the new runway. I guess the cost of the additional bridge over the interstate was too much.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7823 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
By opening, I believe Positiverate's referring too when the runway actually opens to air traffic.

Um...yeah, what else would I be referring to?


User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
Also, the new ATC tower will be operational sometime next week, as I understand.

I believe it already opened at the end of last week.


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

How I missed that little word 'departures' is beyond me..thanks for drawing my attention to it..has there been any feedback on how this is working, both from the airline and passenger perspective? It's been over a month since it was initiated. Seems to make all the sense in the world, if it can be done without tremendous impact on the rest of the operation. A 4yr wait is going to be a long one for the East Terminal to rise and open for business, especially with all of SA)">DL's international expansion from ATL. Even with AM and SA going away, there is still a considerable amount of new demand on Concourse E. Perhaps some of those Plane Mate mobile lounges will soon be put to work accessing remotely parked aircraft routinely. This is such a typical occurrence at so many airports in Europe I've visited, as I'm sure many of you have also witnessed.

As for the taxi time from the 5th runway, it can't be any worse than landing on the west crosswind runway @ DFW and having to cross the N/S parallels, traverse the airport roadway system via the aircraft taxiway bridge system, and haul another mile or so to Terminal A or C. I've had that happen several times, and it takes more than 10min from the point of exiting the runway to parking at the gate. Yes, ATL has a few hundred thousand more annual ops than DFW, but the actual distance from 10/28 to the northernmost concourse gates has to be less. The difference may be in wait time to cross 9L/27R & 9R/27L, at least until the new end (west) around taxiway is completed.

Incidently, here's a new article from the AJC about the 5th runway: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/business/stories/0509biztower.html


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 13):
Don't know exactly which runway will be closed for refurb first but
09R-27L & 8L-26R are the primary landing runways at ATL. They have taken much abuse over the years and a DL Capt told me that they (WBHJAAuthority) will close one runway and when that runway is finished they will close the other runway.So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways
(9L-27R & 8R-26L.) Judging on how long it took them to build this runway, I seriously doubt they'll have 1 runway done in 2 months. But you never know!
KD MLB

My source is the designers of the project. Not saying it will get done in 2 mos, but the full closure is 2 months, some work will actually begin in august, and may continue afterwards.

In addition, when Runway 8R-26L is open, there will be a temporary displaced threshold due to the construction of a new end-around taxiway on the west side.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

When did construction begin on the new runway?

I looked at the area on Google Earth and saw no signs of anything.



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User currently offlineFlyBaby From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 19):
As for the taxi time from the 5th runway, it can't be any worse than landing on the west crosswind runway @ DFW and having to cross the N/S parallels, traverse the airport roadway system via the aircraft taxiway bridge system, and haul another mile or so to Terminal A or C. I've had that happen several times, and it takes more than 10min from the point of exiting the runway to parking at the gate. Yes, ATL has a few hundred thousand more annual ops than DFW, but the actual distance from 10/28 to the northernmost concourse gates has to be less. The difference may be in wait time to cross 9L/27R & 9R/27L, at least until the new end (west) around taxiway is completed.

Like I mentioned above, looking at the plans when construction started, there was supposed to be another taxiway constructed at the east end of the new runway (with a bridge over the interstate). Do you know why it was not constructed?


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

It's probably been 3yrs since the monumental task of clearing and then raising the elevation of the south parcel for the 5th runway began, along with the roadway realignments.

A friend was just telling me yesterday that she looked on Google Earth and saw the same thing, as if the runway doesn't exist. That means that particular ATL aerial is VERY old. Don't know why that is, but it apparently is so.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting FlyBaby (Reply 22):
Like I mentioned above, looking at the plans when construction started, there was supposed to be another taxiway constructed at the east end of the new runway (with a bridge over the interstate). Do you know why it was not constructed?

Probably because of the costs, and the fact that traffic probably just wouldn't be sufficient, as planes would still have to cross two active runways, and except for Concourse E and perhaps D, such a taxiway likely wouldn't make too much of a difference anyway.
As far as the GE pic goes, at least it shows the relocated Riverdale road as being under construction, so that at least narrows down the timeframe in which the overview shots were taken.


25 PipoA380 : Maybe it's a good thing for me to comment this a little bit, as I'm the photographer of that one. I just wanted to reply to a couple of things here. I
26 TokyoNarita : It is going to be interesting to see if ATL will immediately see a significant increase in arrival and departure rates with the new runway. Speaking f
27 Srbmod : 27L/9R was just redone back in the summer of 1999. IIRC, they used Taxiway Romeo as a temporary runway during the length of the project. Lots of the
28 RL757PVD : They are not doing both runways at once, meaning at no point will runway capacity be below current levels. Taxi time wont be that bad, airports like
29 PHLapproach : The tower has actually been in operation since May 6th. Unfortunately 3/4 of the systems are not operational including some of the local control and
30 BR715-A1-30 : So I guess I shouldn't plan any Renaissance trips without consulting the board here first... Bummer...
31 RL757PVD : Yea... make sure you check in advance... I have an e-mail form my co workers with the exact schedule of the closing period...I want to say Sept 15-No
32 Post contains links Onetogo : Correct. See John Carr's (NATCA president) post on this at http://themainbang.typepad.com for details.
33 TokyoNarita : Okay, closing down runway 26L/8R (north inboard) for departure and landing alone is going to be a problem. That's what I meant in the first place. Th
34 Retaf98 : The DL pilots I've talked with are not enthusiastic about the "new" runway helping current congestion. All have mentioned (as above) that one of the c
35 RL757PVD : The primary benefit of the runway wont be seen on normal conditions, heck on a good day, ATL doesnt need a 5th runway, but on a bad weather day it wil
36 Wilax : The construction started a couple years back. That's the trouble with GoogleEarth. The photos can be 3 years old. Montreal Dorval shows no signs of t
37 DAL767400ER : Better have 3-year old pics than all those low-res green fields. As far as DL redoing their runways, why don't they follow FRA's way of doing that: C
38 Positiverate : The runways aren't Delta's, and they don't redo anything. The Atlanta Airport owns the runways and are responsible for maintaining them.
39 DAL767400ER : Sorry for the typo, meant ATL. But the point still remains valid.
40 PHLBOS : First & foremost, I apologize for the typo. I meant to say that Juventus was referring to the actual runway opening date for air traffic (May 23 or 2
41 FlyBaby : I am pretty sure that the work on the old runway doesn't start until mid-to-late September so the new runway should be a big help this upcoming seaso
42 AADC10 : That is ridiculous. It is certainly not going to lead to a 25% - 35% increase in capacity. It allows for a third approach, but planes utilizing the 5
43 AAflyguy : Why is it such a stretch to believe how much aircraft operations capacity the new runway will add @ ATL? A 5th runway means a 25% increase in the numb
44 767-332ER : You answered your question here by saying built. The point is that they are refurbishing and not building the older runways. Resurfacing is the quick
45 TWAL1011727 : Good point. Thanks for the clarification KD MLB
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