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Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990  
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7553 times:
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Not really a trip report, but more of a quest for some answers. During a fuelstop on a mission to NS Rota a few days ago, we stopped at Palma de Mallorca. And we parked at the Spanish AF ramp at the airport. We parked near the fire-dump where the infamous ex-Spantax CV990 Coronado EC-BZO. She's been out of service since 1984, and Spantax is long gone. It looks in dismal shape since the last time I saw it 7 years ago. I took some close up pics of it while we fueled up. So what is going on with this girl? Is it still owned by the FD at the airport? I heard a few years ago, that there was a group of enthusiasts trying to save her, is this still true? I remember seeing this aircraft at Bournemouth back in 1986, shortly after it was WFU, and before she was moved here to bask in the Spanish sun. Any info?

A nose shot








A sad state for this once proud bird.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Nice pictures indeed. What a shame you couldn't climb up and get some interior pictures. I imagine it's either empty or really disgusting in there.

I have a soft spot for the 880 and 990, I have no idea why. Maybe I just like the underdogs. Hopefully someone will know what is going on with this aircraft - I've asked for this thread to be moved to Civ-Av as you'd probably have more chance of a reply there.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1790 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

That engine looks funny, like one inside the other.

Is it a predecessor of the modern high-bypass engine?



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7281 times:

Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7226 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7213 times:

Someone should convert it into a cute spanish villa with a restaurant beneath it's wings and optics fastened to the engines.


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User currently offlinePennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7194 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 4):
I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...

The Elvis Convair is an 880..N880EP. Saw it across the street from Graceland a while back..


User currently offlineMaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7172 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2):
Is it a predecessor of the modern high-bypass engine?

The CV-990 Coronado's were the first ever commercial airliners to use turbofan engines (I forget the type used)........and yes, they were the predecessor to modern high-bypass. Hard to believe that thing eventually evolved into GE90-type high-bypass engines!!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 4):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?
I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...

Elvis Presley's aircraft, the Lisa Marie, is an 880. There is a Swissair 990 Coronado preserved as a museum with complete interior, cockpit, galleys, the whole nine. Also, if I'm not mistaking, the NASA 990 Coronado is still sitting around somewhere. They used one to test Space Shuttle tires, IIRC.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
I have a soft spot for the 880 and 990, I have no idea why. Maybe I just like the underdogs.

You and me both sir. I have some of those mahogany desk models of both a TWA CV-880, and a Denver Ports of Call CV-990 Coronado. I love the Convairs!! Underdogs, though?!?! I'd beg to differ!! History would prove you very correct, indeed, but if it weren't for Howard Hughes insisting on the 5 abrest seating, Convair might very will still be around today. For the fuel burned, 5 abrest seating on the 880 and 990 did not hold up to the 6 abrest of the DC-8 and 707. The CV-880 and CV-990 Coronado lost Convair $660million in 1960's dollars!! What would that be now?? In the tens of billions I'd guess. Talk about the business mistake of the century. While Airbus has proven themselves a worthy adversary to Boeing time and again, I'm seeing history repeating istelf to a huge degree!! 9 abrest on the 787 and 8 abrest on the A-350.......

-Max


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7130 times:

Hi!

The Swissair CV990 Coronado is preserved at Luzerne, and there's also ( or at least until November 2003 ) one CV990 on the outside of Mojave desert airfield, I saw it when I was comming back to Fresno from the open house day at Edwards AFB! I think this spanish CV990 should be preserved in the old SPANTAX colours, after while SPANTAX was the airline that used, and abused of the CV990 in european skies during the 70's and 80's.....I'm sure the founder and late owner of SPANTAX Capt. Rudolfo Bay would be extremely pleased. Capt. Rudy Bay was the one that said once that " The CV990 is the Maserati of the Skies!!!"
regards


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
The CV-990 Coronado's were the first ever commercial airliners to use turbofan engines

I think that's wrong. I'm quite sure it was the 707-400 with RR Conway engines.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
(I forget the type used)

IIRC GE CJ-805. They were derived from the military J-79 engine.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7068 times:

It`s really sad to see this bird rotting there.
Spantax and its CV990, that`s a strange story. Beside of a DC3 and a DC10 they lost at least 3 of their "Coronados" and had some lucky escapes in several other incidents. Also here in Cologne sometimes in the late 70th a Spantax CV990 crashed because the pilot forgot to lower the landing gears and was w/o . I still have a little piece of this aircraft.
Spantax survived longer than expected.

My personal relation to the CV990 began when I was 4 years old. The first two times I have flown with an aircraft was with Spantax CV990s (CGN-PMI and back).

Yes they were underdogs and never had a chance against the more economical 707 and DC8.
Axel

[Edited 2006-05-09 16:26:39]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

Surviving complete-ish Convair 990s should be:

* One at Palma in newest Spantax colors (see above)
* One at Lucerne in Switzerland in Swissair colors
* One at the gate of Mojave airport in Nasa colors but with Mojave Airport titles (still there March 2006)
* One inside Mojave airport in former APSA Peru colors
* One at El Paso airport in formet Ports of Call / Ciskei International Airways colors (for sale)

Andy


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
While Airbus has proven themselves a worthy adversary to Boeing time and again, I'm seeing history repeating istelf to a huge degree!! 9 abrest on the 787 and 8 abrest on the A-350.......

There are some rumors here in a-net about changes in the A350 concept with a wider fuselage cross-section with 10 abrest!?!?!?!?!
I`m curious how Airbus will solve its problems with the A350.

Axel

[Edited 2006-05-09 16:52:36]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Spantax survived longer than expected

Along with the Comets of Dan-Air London, the Spantax Coronado was the backbone aircraft for the European inclusive tour operators in the 1970/80s. Many people took their first flights on either the noisy Comet or even noisier Coronado, complete with 27½" seat pitch, no overhead bins and certainly no IFE!
Departures were often from obscure airports in the middle of the night too! As both airlines suffered from hull losses, Spantax had the nickname "Never Come Back" Airlines and Dan-Air had the nickname "Dan Dare".

Spantax was an abbreviation for Spanish Air Taxi Service. Besides the Coronado crashes, one of the airline's DC10s crashed at AGP after the captain aborted take off following a tyre failure, even though the aircraft was already beyond V1. This sealed the fate of the airline, and there were rumours of criminal investigations being made into the company and its directors when it folded.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Another problem was the narow fuselage which allowed only a 2-3 seating.

And the vibration that was felt at cruise altitude, which is why there are large pods on the wings.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Here is a picture of the same bird in 1986


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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

That one in El Paso is beautiful. There's a yahoo group still trying in vain to save it, I wish them luck. It's such a shame there aren't more of these birds, they'd be fantastic in today's market.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6669 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
asked for this thread to be moved to Civ-Av as you'd probably have more chance of a reply there.

Thanks. That did the trick.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

One of the last few.

Quoting PennPal (Reply 6):
The Elvis Convair is an 880..N880EP. Saw it across the street from Graceland a while back..

It's a former DL 880

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
Also, if I'm not mistaking, the NASA 990 Coronado is still sitting around somewhere. They used one to test Space Shuttle tires, IIRC.

It's at MHV.
The sister ship wasn't as fortunate

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Quoting Skymonster (Reply 11):
Surviving complete-ish Convair 990s should be:

One of the Nasa birds

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Partial 990, used a cabin crew trainer

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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

Jetjack74...Thank you for sharing these great pictures with us. I wish more participants would do the same instead of only shooting the same current boring stuff!

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6600 times:
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It's too bad we see more and more these "Mona Lisas of the airlines" fading into history without keeping some around. Works of art, getiing flushed down the toilet


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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Hi!

Basically the Convair CV990 was a very good project that Convair had in mind. I think what killed the CV990 was infact all the delays to meet the specifications by airlines like AA and Swissair. When all of that was over the plane proved to be an excelent airliner. Also when the fuel rised some of those "camels" like the Convair and all the turbojet airliners had their lives condamned! But just this curiosity, Modern Air could actually fly the CV990 from New York to Vienna/Austria without any technical/fuel stop....so we must say that the plane was indeed a great one! I remember in mid 70's seeing Swissair flying regulary from ZRH to LIS with their CV990 Coronados!!! Beside Spantax and Swissair ones I recall seeing one CV990 from Denver Ports of Call at LIS!
regards


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
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Damn, I used to love the old 880s and 990s. Real planes - noisy and dirty. yes 
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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

The engines look strange because, while they are turbofans, the big fan you normally see as the first stage fan is actually mounted near the rear of the engine. It was an interesting concept that had reliability and maintenance issues. There was a complete ship set of four at my A&P school for us to get a look at turbine engines and to practice blade blending.

User currently offlineMaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
And the vibration that was felt at cruise altitude, which is why there are large pods on the wings.

Ugh, I think this is incorrect. The large pods that were unique to the 990 were there because of the high cruising speed of the Coronado, about mach 0.92. At such speeds, at certain places on the wing, air will begin to go supersonic, so to avoid this, Convair put the "speed fairings" on the wings to prevent the supersonic airflow using the "area rule".....I have no idea what that is, that's just the reason I've always heard when it comes to explaining why those exist!! The Convair F-102 Delta Dagger had the same speed fairings installed right below the vertical tail, but were deleted on the later model, the F-106 Delta Dart, I guess because of improved engineering.


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-Max


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
But just this curiosity, Modern Air could actually fly the CV990 from New York to Vienna/Austria without any technical/fuel stop....so we must say that the plane was indeed a great one!

However, this was done with a severly reduced cruising speed. The top speed of Mach 0.92 (or whatever it was) made the plane guzzle fuel like it was going out of fashion. American Airlines ordered the plane for the high cruising speed.

The penalty was decreased range. The Modern Air New York to Vienna would have been at a much lower Mach number in order to get the range required for the trip.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Hi!

ClassicLover, of course you are right on that point......less speed = bigger range, but even taking in mind that the speed was about 0.72 Mach the airplane was excelent!
Regards


25 Post contains images ClassicLover : No disrespect to the aircraft at all of course 0.72 Mach is fine for charter operators, but it does fall short of the 0.78 to 0.85 of most jet airlin
26 CV990 : Hi! Well, taking in mind that the Convair CV880/CV990 family was indeed projected to be an high cruising speed airliner I actually think they did quit
27 CF-CPI : It was basically a turbine blade and fan blade in one, nicknamed a 'blucket' (blade + bucket). I think the problem stemmed from the fact that one com
28 Irobertson : The amazing thing about this aircraft is that it wasn't much bigger than an A320 and it had only about 13,000-14,000 lbs of thrust per engine. By toda
29 CV990 : Hi! And don't forget that in those days, to reach the speed of the CV990, an airplane built with FULL METAL, must have been something!!! I think if th
30 ClassicLover : According to the book I read, the reason the aircraft has 5 abreast seating as standard is because the faster cruising speeds required a narrower fus
31 Jetjack74 : The early teething problems resulted in the installtion of the anti-shock bodies, installed on the upper trailing edge of the wings. The flutter vibr
32 F14D4ever : GE's book Eight Decades Of Progress claims that the CJ805-23 was the first turbofan to enter service, but after cruising the information superhighway
33 StevenG : When I went to Mohave Airport in December 1994 more than a dozen ex-TWA 990's (or 880's) were still present. Does anyone know why these aircraft had b
34 ClassicLover : I have no idea why they stayed in storage for so long. I think they were finally broken up in the 2000s. Maybe after TWA went away? Can't remember wh
35 Duke : The big Mojave fleet of CV880s was broken up in or around December 1999 after years of sitting around in the desert. The engines went for conversion f
36 UK_Dispatcher : I think there are two other CV990s (possibly CV880s) still intact somewhere in the USA. I remember seeing a thread a few years ago where there was a s
37 ClassicLover : These would be the ones acquired by the FAA I believe. There are two of them, one has its tail chopped off. In an archived thread on here there are p
38 Post contains links and images Bx737 : It was recently reported in one of the aviation magazines, can't remember which that EC-BZO was to be restored by AENA (Spanish Airport owners) and pa
39 Jetjack74 : It was Airliners Magazine, No74, March/April 2002. It's sister 990's were broken up in 1993. BZO was donated to the Cuartos Vientos Museo del Aire fo
40 Flaps : The 880's stored at Mojave were aquired upon retirement for a freighter conversion program by American Jet Industries that never took off. As there wa
41 Bx737 : Thanks for that I knew I read it somewhere.
42 Scintx : A bit off topic here. Being old is good! I remember getting on some DL 880's in HOU around 1967-68. Back in the fall of 1974 I was driving out to MCI
43 Post contains links and images Jetjack74 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Johan Ljungdahl This was the last sustained-operating of an 880/900. Old Smokey, as she was called, flew until 199
44 CV990 : Hi! I think it would be extremely nice to have one CV880/CV990 in airworthy condition. It would be a way to show to the future generations a family of
45 Post contains links Duke : -From what I understand, the plane isn't owned by the Convair Preservation Society, though they had wanted to aquire it. I think its owner is the mil
46 Jetjack74 : I remember reading in an issue of All Hands magazine(an internal Navy magazine) about the retirement of it and a chronology of it's career. It highli
47 Bx737 : When was the last flight by Spantax with EC-BZO. Most publications say it was in 1987, could anyone shed some light on it
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