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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

NEW YORK, May 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) tomorrow will inaugurate daily nonstop flights between its hub at Newark Liberty International Airport and Cologne/Bonn, Germany. This will be the only scheduled nonstop transatlantic service between the U.S. to the two German cities.



"Starting service to Cologne/Bonn is another important step in the expansion of our transatlantic network," said Jim Summerford, Continental's vice president Europe, Middle East and India. "This route gives our customers a choice of four Continental destinations in Germany, including our existing service to Berlin, Frankfurt and Hamburg."

Later this month, Continental will add daily nonstop service to Barcelona and Copenhagen, bringing to 28 the number of transatlantic destinations served via Newark Liberty.

Service to Cologne/Bonn will be operated with a 172-seat Boeing 757-200 aircraft, carrying 16 passengers in the BusinessFirst cabin and 156 in economy.

Flight 110 will depart Newark Liberty daily at 6:45 p.m., arriving in Cologne/Bonn at 8:10 a.m. the following day. The return trip, flight 111, departs Cologne/Bonn daily at 10:35 a.m., arriving in New York/Newark at 1:20 p.m. Flying times will be approximately 7 hours, 25 minutes eastbound and 8 hours, 45 minutes westbound. During the winter months, when demand traditionally declines, Continental will scale back to five flights per week, but revert to daily service again in Spring 2007.

The new Cologne/Bonn flights feature Continental's renowned BusinessFirst service. This premium-class cabin has extra-wide electronic sleeper seats with 55-inch/140-cm pitch, adjustable winged headrests and personal video screens. Other BusinessFirst amenities include gourmet menus, award-winning wines and champagnes, and a specially selected and trained corps of more than 200 concierges who provide personalized pre-flight and post-flight services for BusinessFirst customers at 26 key airports worldwide.

As part of the route launch, Continental is offering a special promotion to its frequent flyers. OnePass members who book and travel to Cologne between May 10, 2006 and July 31, 2006 will earn 2,000 bonus miles. This offer requires registration. OnePass members can register for the promotion online at continental.com using promotion code 58037.

Continental Airlines is the world's sixth-largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,200 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 151 domestic and 137 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 41,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 61 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

For the third consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2006 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also named the No. 1 airline on the publication's

2006 America's Most Admired airline industry list. In 2005, Continental again won major awards at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards including "Airline of the Year" and "Best Airline Based in North America" for the second consecutive year, and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the third consecutive year. For more company information, visit continental.com.




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Source: Continental Airlines

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

How are advance bookings looking on this route? Is anyone from CO privvy to that kind of info?

User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

I think CO could do great with service from EWR to Dusseldorf and MUC.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
How are advance bookings looking on this route? Is anyone from CO privvy to that kind of info?

Bookings are exceeding expectations and are quite good, in both directions, through the summer season........CO may have a surprise hit here. I live near CGN, and the Cologne/Bonn/Aachen population is thrilled to have a nonstop connection to the US. Travel Agents (remember those?) are also supporting the route. It makes sense, there is a large population in this area that is tired of having to go to Frankfurt (either by connecting flight, connecting railroad "flight", or car) to pick up longhaul flights. Its also interesting to note that CO did not offer cheap fares to launch the route and the bookings look good anyway. Ironically, as you may know, Cologne is the official headquarters of LH.

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 2):
I think CO could do great with service from EWR to Dusseldorf and MUC.

You may know that CO has flow both the EWR-DUS and EWR-MUC routes and are the only EUropean routes (along with EWR-Stansted) that CO has dropped. DUS lost money after CO lost a big corporate account.....and LH's bizjet service to EWR covers the premium demand, CO has stated that it is not going back to DUS. As for MUC, CO flew the route years ago (back in the late 80s when CO was a very different airline than it is today) and pulled out due to lack of J class demand.......CO flew DC10s on the route which went out nearly full in Y and empty in J class, resulting in terrible yeilds and losses. Munich is solid STAR alliance territory, with lots of loyal FFs......so it would be tough for CO to make the route work. That being said, there are rumors that CO is again looking at MUC (after years of saying; no way) as a possible 752 Winglet destination; range will be tight, so its a longshot in my opinion.


User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Next CO European destination will be PRG. I read it in a Czech Newspaper. CSA will drop EWR and CO will start PRG. Effective: Next summer. Possible plane: 767.

Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
back in the late 80s when CO was a very different airline than it is today)

they operatet in to muc in the early 90's not in the 80s



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
back in the late 80s when CO was a very different airline than it is today)

they operatet in to muc in the early 90's not in the 80s

Thanks Avianca....That is what I was about to say!


User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 4):
Next CO European destination will be PRG. I read it in a Czech Newspaper. CSA will drop EWR and CO will start PRG. Effective: Next summer. Possible plane: 767

not sure if with the 767, PRG was already mentioned in the past as a possible 757 destination alongside MUC.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7119 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
That being said, there are rumors that CO is again looking at MUC (after years of saying; no way) as a possible 752 Winglet destination; range will be tight, so its a longshot in my opinion.

Well, EWR-MUC is some 70 miles longer than EWR-TXL, and that flight is already often enough required to stop for fuel. Can't imagine them risking that against LH from MUC, which doesn't have to stop for fuel  Wink . Better stay in markets like CGN: No competition, and less fuel-stop risk.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
and that flight is already often enough required to stop for fuel.

Whats "often", once a month, once a week, every other day?



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
and that flight is already often enough required to stop for fuel.

I think you meant exceedingly rare that it stops for fuel.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Whats "often", once a month, once a week, every other day?

No idea on the actual regularity, but the sources I have read, mostly German aviation magazines and regular newspapers, mention these stops pretty often, as happening a few times a month, depending on the winds on the route.

Quoting Airzim (Reply 10):
I think you meant exceedingly rare that it stops for fuel.

Refer to above, I have no firm numbers, but for CO's sake, I do hope that the stops are happening less often.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
No idea on the actual regularity

How can one say

Quote:
Often

when one admits they don't even know how many times it has happened, or whether it has even happened at all.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Whats "often", once a month, once a week, every other day?

No idea on the actual regularity, but the sources I have read, mostly German aviation magazines and regular newspapers, mention these stops pretty often, as happening a few times a month, depending on the winds on the route.

Does that makes sense to you? If an airline was marketing a nonstop flight with connections in EWR and the plane stopped for fuel, "a few times a month" that would destroy their reputation and lead to horrible customer service, missed connections etc.

I don't have the numbers handy, but the fuel diversion rates are incredibly low. Maybe they were lucky there was a mild winter in New York this year with only two sizeable snow storms. But in that situation every flight had to likely divert.

Despite the rumor mill, it just doesn't happen as often as you think.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
How can one say

Quote:
Often

when one admits they don't even know how many times it has happened, or whether it has even happened at all.

Again, I am going by the sources I have read on this issue, and fuel stops "a few times per month" are often IMO. Note that I am NOT saying that these days fuel stops happen on a daily basis, but just that do happen, and that regularly, again, going by the articles I have read about that.
And before any prejudice arises, which happens all too easily, no, I'm not saying this just to bash CO and their use of 757s across the pond, I'm well aware that other airlines have such routes as well, e.g. like DL has STR-ATL, which all too often has to refuel in Canada as well.


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6692 times:
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CO did run in to some issues last year when the winds aloft were abnormally high speed for the flight back across the Atlantic. Combined with bad weather in EWR, it caused the need for tech stops in Gander on several of the long 752 routes.


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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6673 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
there is a large population in this area that is tired of having to go to Frankfurt (either by connecting flight, connecting railroad "flight", or car) to pick up longhaul flights.

AMEN!!!!!!!!! I'm a perfect example....I can walk to the S-bahn station and get on the train and be at the aiport in 20 minutes. That sure beats a 2 hour drive (with luck) to FRA.

I was hoping to get to the airport tomorrow to witness the maiden flight but alas the office calls and I won't be able to make it to the airport. I'll try to get there on weekend to see CO's 757 line up at T2.



A330 man.
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
like DL has STR-ATL, which all too often has to refuel in Canada as well.

Comments like this really shoot your credibility. There is no reason why DL would need to stop in Canada for fuel on a flight from Europe w/ a 767. First, why would DL stop in a foreign country unless it was an emergency? Second, Canada is several hours from ATL so there are plenty of divert points (like JFK or BOS where DL has plenty of its own personnel and equipment avaialble). Third, a 767ER has the range to fly 12+ hrs nonstop; STR to even St. John's is a fraction of the useable range of the aircraft.

Show me one day and flight where DL diverted to Canada for fuel and I'll have someone at DL verify if it's real - but I seriously doubt it.

I don't know who on here is a real CO employee but if they say the planes don't divert often, I have to believe them because I don't know. To assert that DL lands in a foreign country (no offense to the Canadians but DL flies the stars and stripes, not the maple leaf) on an airplane that is fully capable of flying the mentioned route nonstop and carrying 10s of thosands of pounds of cargo is just ridiculous.

Now out w/ your "facts" or keep your assertions to yourself.

And while you're at it, tell us when the last CO 757 diverted for fuel and we'll find someone to verify that as well.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

CO has had unscheduled fuel stops on the TXL-EWR route (as well as some of the other 757 transatlantic services).........its not often, probably a handful of times since the TXL-EWR services began. The fuel stops come with the wrong combination of winds, payloads, and weather - but the biggest issue, from what I understand, is ATC matters.

Most of the unplanned stops occured during the busy summer season - full aircraft, but the main problems were lots of delays at EWR including disruptions due to summer thunder storms that would close down the airport. In these cases, the 757s took a fuel stop at Gander to be prepared to deal with the arrival issues in the Newark/NYC area. The 757s leave Europe with more than adequate reserves and enough fuel for a diversion........but they do not have enough fuel after the long transatlantic flight to stay in the air for an extra 1 to 2 hours while arrivals at EWR are backed up and being sorted out. The Gander fuel stops have been rather quick and painless, and from what I have heard, did not create lots of customer problems.....yes, the flight arrived late into EWR, but on the difficult days that the fuel stops occured, EWR was a disaster anyway, with just about all in and outbound flights taking large delays and cancellations.

Back to MUC-EWR, sorry, as pointed out it was the early 90s (not late 80s as I originally posted, got my dates wrong)......and will that route be re-instated.....its not clear, but its no longer a definite no. Is the 752 the correct aircraft for the route - probably not. As for PRG-EWR, as mentioned above, PRG seems to be on CO's radar, CSA dropped service to EWR opening the way for CO to launch the route......but again the 752 could be a problem here. The same applies to Vienna.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
I'm well aware that other airlines have such routes as well, e.g. like DL has STR-ATL, which all too often has to refuel in Canada as well.

ATL-STR-ATL is flown on a 767, which has enough range to do it nonstop (unless they fly 763As on the route, which is unlikely). AFAIK, DL doesn't even have ETOPS certified 757s, even if they'd only require ETOPS 138 to cross the Atlantic.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 17):
Comments like this really shoot your credibility

That comes from just the right person  Yeah sure .

As for the 763ER having a 12+ hour range, big deal, doesn't matter if wheather conditions are unfavorably, and many factors have to be considered:
STR has a 3,345m long runway, and is located some 400m above sealevel. Adding to that is the fact that in the main take-off direction to the west, there is a mountain range that has to be figured into take-off calculations. And this is where the main problem lays. If on a hot day, of which there can be quite a few in Stuttgart, a plane is fully loaded up to the gills with pax and cargo, and at that point, DL has the choice of either leaving cargo or pax behind, or being forced to refuel at some airport. That can be Gander, Halifax, Boston, New York or whereever.
And as to the point of DL only restopping in Canada on emergencies, and them sending everything to BOS or JFK, ever factored in that there might be bad wheather in that area that limits or shuts down flights at said airports?
Don't have to believe me, and I'm sure you won't, but if you feel so inclined, I'd be more than happy to monitor the STR-ATL flights every day and write down all the diversions  Wink .


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

obviously no videos about the arrival ceremony availble, like there was on DL inaguraul flight from ATL to CPH a week ago?

cheers: DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3564 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 21):

Well, given the fact that the CO plane will only arrive in CGN in 6 hours, this is not so surprising  Wink

In CGN, everybody is happy about this direct connection to EWR. I hope this route will be a succes, but we will have to wait and see...

Maybe I will be there tomorrow, so if I am, I will give you some pictures.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

DAL764,
please do let me know when you find a flight that you believe has made a fuel stop in Canada and I'll have someone check it out. Generally I have a lot of respect for you but this just doesn't smell right.

On top of JFK and BOS, DL has operations in PWM and still diverts to BGR when necessary, is a large carrier in BDL (flies the 763 there).... there are more than enough options to keep DL from fuel stopping in Canada.

I was in the CVG airport years ago when an AA D10 from FRA to DFW fuel stopped in CVG because AA had a large cargo load. Lo and behold, one of the D10's engines couldn't be started once they got to the runway. AA didn't have D10 maintenance in CVG because they contracted it to TW who didn't fly the D10 and certainly didn't have anyone capable of working on it in CVG. Long and short was that AA cancelled its flight and towed it to DL's int'l facility which at that time could handle 2 flights at a time so AA had to keep their people onboard for 2 hours until the facility was available because INS and Customs didn't want AA's cluster mixed up w/ DL's regular operation. AA ferried the plane empty the following morning to DFW on 2 engines.

Moral of the story: don't divert to an airport where you can't support the aircraft unless you absolutely have to. I think DL understands that lesson because I have never seen them divert an int'l flight to a non-DL city capable of handling the aircraft unless they have to. AA apparently learned the lesson because CVG never got another int'l diversion and AA doesn't divert int'l flights to such small cities for AA unless it's an emergency.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 18):
, PRG seems to be on CO's radar, CSA dropped service to EWR opening the way for CO to launch the route

CSA recently restarted their EWR flight, I think it's 3-4Xs weekly.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
25 WorldTraveler : There are rumors that DL wants to start JFKPRG so perhaps OK is restarting EWRPRG to allow DL to do JFKPRG. Since carriers have to agree on the codesh
26 777gk : Generally, it IS an emergency when an airplane needs to be diverted. We don't just set them down all over the Canadian Maritimes because we like the s
27 WorldTraveler : when you are critical on fuel, yes you land where you have to. But the Canadian maritimes are a good 2 1/2 to 3 hrs from NYC. It is very rare that the
28 Jumbojet : another CO european route flown with a B757? ughhh, I know this has been discussed to death in the past but I wouldnt fly a narrow body that far if th
29 Post contains images Boeingguy1 : Ive got news for ya: most of the American public, which is used to flying on an RJ for 3 hours or a 737 to CA from the East coast (5-6 hrs) will have
30 Jumbojet : And I've got news for you. first, what do you consider most of the American public? 2nd, most of the American public flies on RJ's for 3 hours? Let m
31 Post contains images IAHcsr : For the record.. CO 110 EWR CGN 10May EWR out 1841hrs E.04 EWR off 1907hrs CGN eta 0847hrs L.37    Gate D10 Oh, almost forgot ... Ship 138 .... [Edi
32 COfaninBOS : I am sorry Jumbojet, but most of the American public CANNOT find the state of Louisiana on a map. That was a news story based on actual polling from a
33 Post contains links Jumbojet : You are 100% correct in that statement. And to add to that statement, nearly 10o% of the worlds population has no clue about www.airliners.net
34 Jumbojet : TXL to EWR is listed at 9 hr and 5 min on CO website. Not even close to the 6 to 7 hrs you say above. Nevertheless, I'll take a 767 over a 757 any da
35 Post contains images LTU932 : With the tailwinds over the Atlantic, CO.com lists EWR-TXL at 7 hours and 55 minutes, possibly even less during the winter (and in turn a bit longer
36 Dutchjet : The 757 accross the Atlantic thing - again: 1. Most pax will go for a direct flight - regardless of aircraft type (thus, not many pax are going to fl
37 Post contains images LTU932 : The A.net part is too true. Good point, but the thing is that in the end, unless they're A.nutters like us or if they know a bit of aircraft, and tho
38 Dutchjet : Two things to consider - 1. BMI was going to cut the IAD service anyway - they simply flew the 757 to cover the summer season before the flight was t
39 Post contains images LTU932 : I didn't know that. I was only aware of BD cancelling the route because they shot themselves in the foot with the equipment swap. I presume it was ca
40 Boeingguy1 : Please. You know as well as I do that most of the flying public has no idea what the diffrence is between a 767 or 757, except maybe when they actual
41 Post contains links Fhgandi : A warm welcome to "Conti" in CGN! I have just been at the airport in CGN and saw N13138 coming in on runway 14L. Terminal 2 was decorated beautifully
42 Post contains images DAL767400ER : The flight number is 111? Hmm, I can imagine what will be be going on in the departure hall for that flight on November 11th and the departure time h
43 STT757 : CO has been flying 757s on Trans-Atlantic flights from EWR for 10 years, they obviously have had success and CO's customers obviously have no problem
44 DALelite : I personally would not like to fly transatlantic on a 757. I even didn't find it comfortble to fly on the upperdeck of a 747. DALelite
45 Post contains images IAHcsr : Perhaps on that day it will also be Ship 111 ..
46 WorldTraveler : Because they have largely been using them to open routes where there was no other transatlantic service. Problem is that other carriers are starting
47 STT757 : DL will drop the route before CO, the operating costs of the 757 can make the route work where it has failed in the past. Pan Am, Lufthansa, TWA and
48 TokyoNarita : I must agree that the B757s are tight stretch for transatlantic out of EWR....and there is no doubt that B767s offer more comfort. However, let it be
49 Post contains links STT757 : In 2 or 3 years CO will be flying these beauties, http://www.jimrvaughan.com/photos2/CAL/787.jpg
50 Boeingguy1 : Ok people, I dont think anyone is getting it... CO has been flying these things for years, profitably, and being that the planes are nice, comfortable
51 Cory6188 : Not entirely. The CO 767 fleet has one more inch of pitch (32" vs. 31") and also has a PTV at every seat in both classes as compared to only BF on th
52 Letsgetwet : I will never agree with that statement. As was stated before, 99.9% of passengers could not tell the difference.
53 Indio66 : I still think that they could do well to DUS and MUC. Both of these are popular business and tourist destinations from NYC. There is only one non-stop
54 STT757 : There's two , a LH BBJ from EWR and an LH A340 from JFK.
55 Indio66 : Thanks, I stand corrected. I still believe a CO MUC flight would be a great idea.
56 Jumbojet : I just flew NYC to DUS via Atlanta in Business, and the reason? I prefer to fly a different type of airplane, wide body over a single aisle and a cer
57 A342 : BTW, in the German aerospace magazine AeroInternational, CO and CGN airport have some joint advertising for the flight of which I can only say: Ridicu
58 WorldTraveler : I’m not talking about preference. I’m talking about comfort and space, dimensions that can be measured. The 767 coach seat is 1 ½ inches wider t
59 TWFirst : Yes yes, you've beaten your point to death. NOW, answer this: Are passengers willing to pay more for that SPACE?? And there you have the real crux of
60 Cgnnrw : I've seen the add quite often in various magazines and newspapers in Cologne. The two men are suppose to symbolize a figure out of American folklore
61 Post contains links TommyBP251b : Hi Guys! And here she is http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=484473 Looks nice.
62 UN_B732 : in re: PRG, I have heard a great amount of chatter about the 757 with winglets doing it. I also heard it'd be hard in terms of performance though, as
63 Cgnnrw : @TommyBP251b Great photo! Thanks alot. I was really hoping to be there for the first arrival & departure but couldn't get away from the office.
64 Airzim : There you go lying again. Why don't you go measure it again. CO 757 seat width--17.2 inches DL 767 seat width--18 inches Incidentally CO's 767 width
65 ILOVEA340 : It's time they get a nice account with Novartis and Roche and start ERW-BSL service!
66 Jumbojet : Looks similar but to be honest with you, that nearly 1 inch of extra seat width that DL has over CO is quite noticeable, at least to me it is. As for
67 Airzim : Sure not disputing every little bit helps. Just pointing out the World Traveler continues to spout nonsense. I wonder where his widget tattoo is? The
68 PSA727 : On a personal note: EXACTLY !!! I will be flying CO's TXL-EWR in a couple of weeks. Am I excited about a 9-hour flight in a 757 (Y cabin)? Not really
69 Jumbojet : I dont think anyone is doubting a 757 can fly with success across the Atlantic, just that if you had a preference, it would be with a 767 or better
70 Post contains images WorldTraveler : coach seat width on DL's 767s is 18.5 inches, a full inch better on the 767. No, people don't make purchase decisions based on aircraft type but if yo
71 Airzim : You're wrong!
72 ILOVEA340 : That is complete garbage! Don't attack other people's credibility when your own information is flat out wrong! Delta: --------B/F-----Econ 752(1)----
73 Post contains links Andie007 : More pics from cologne http://www.cgn-forum.de/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1869
74 ILOVEA340 : Nice find... Those 752's with winglets do really look great!
75 Johnnybgoode : I am not refuting your preferences, but your statement is way off, imho. for international travel, and concerning this thread we are clearly talking
76 DALelite : CO was thinking of starting EWR-BSL a couple of years ago. DALelite
77 A342 : I did not intend to do this, nor did other people in this tread jump at my throat. I was just saying that IMO, the add looks ridicoulus.
78 Nyskymasters : Now let's talk J-class space. Continental beats Delta hands down, even on the B757. And that is where the money is made.
79 Dutchjet : Absolutely! BF is very good product, and its amazing how well the product works on the 752. That being said, Biz-Elite on DL is getting an upgrade.
80 Klwright69 : Well, on a note back on the subject of CO to CGN, today flight 110 to CGN is delayed a LONG, LONG TIME. Obviously a MX issue!
81 WorldTraveler : I agree that DL has several seat widths on its 767s and none are 18.5" - I read something in print that quoted that but that is incorrect. However, th
82 Post contains links STT757 : They don't fear DL, CO is pissed off that DL under the false guides of Bankruptcy are dumping tons of capacity in the market diluting CO's yields. An
83 Klwright69 : This situation with CO using 757's on some Transatlantic routes is getting to be an almost an obsession with some people at a.net. I think some of the
84 Klwright69 : Oh, and of course, the 757 does have limitations. But again, so does everything.
85 WorldTraveler : I hate to break it to you STT but CO doesn't make money with nice freight terminals; they make money (or try to) flying cargo. If trucks are willing t
86 Nyskymasters : Amen! There is one thing that we all need to remember. An airline is in business to make money for their stockholders. Whatever it takes, whether it
87 Par13del : Airzim's words "The reality is, if it wasn't for 757's there would be no transatlantic service to EDI, BRS, BFS, CGN, and OSL. The trip costs of wideb
88 Post contains images Slider : Um.....OK. To each his own I guess, but that's very circuitous. There's no pleasing you then! Has nothing to do with a hissyfit...it has everything t
89 Dutchjet : THANK YOU!!!!!!!! If a pax does not want to fly on a 757 accross the ocean - fine - dont - add hours to your journey by making connections - thats a
90 Klwright69 : World Traveler, you attributed UA higher cargo percentage due to CO's "failure to use widebody" equipment. That is a pretty sweeping of statement, th
91 Post contains images ILOVEA340 : Also add to that list Clariant and UBS has its second largest office base in Basel. Also add to that the many international exibits and conferences h
92 Amhilde : So how are advance bookings on the upcoming CPH route? I need to get there in June and CO keeps coming up, but im leery of the 757. And teh 6.45 am de
93 RwSEA : Given that you're coming from LAS, you have to stop somewhere no matter what - so why put up with a 757? Other 1-stop options for you include DL thro
94 Toxtethogrady : "Next CO European destination will be PRG. I read it in a Czech Newspaper. CSA will drop EWR and CO will start PRG. Effective: Next summer. Possible p
95 777gk : Having a BusinessFirst cabin on the 757 is the key to that aircraft's effectiveness on the North Atlantic. Selling out BF, which we often do, essenti
96 WesternA318 : Besides, if it wasn't working, we would've stopped the 757 on trans-Atlantics not too long after their debut in what 97/98? Oh so true... Has anyone
97 STT757 : If I recall correctly it was 1996.
98 A342 : At least it is way better than narrowbodies because it can take standard pallets.
99 RJ100 : Don't worry man, some companies are currently working hard to attract a BSL-EWR flight. I know from Novartis for instance that they have more and mor
100 Post contains images ILOVEA340 : Maybe he'll figure out a way to strap some fuel tanks to the wings of those MD-90's?
101 Atmx2000 : Since STAR is weak in NYC, I guess the question is how much US bound traffic to MUC is there from the NYC area? I would imagine US traffic connecting
102 Amhilde : Mostly price, though CO miles would feed into my VS account. Departure times also vary significantly from LAS depending on where you are connecting.
103 WorldTraveler : Let's have a schedule please. I trust your memory about as much as I trust... well not much. Why don't you ask DL and AA how much cargo they carry on
104 STT757 : According to the Port Authority's figures the top 10 freight haulers at EWR, JFK and LGA are: (in tons) 1.) Federal Express 669,857 2.) American 180,0
105 WesternA318 : The Jun 1982 OAG shows several TWA 707 flights domestically. Mainly JFK-Florida runs, as well as multi-stop Transcontinental runs. I also have the ti
106 Post contains images WesternA318 : Here she is...October 1983...
107 777gk : I guess being blasted on such a regular basis in this forum has hardened your shell and made you oblivious to reality. That's fine with me. Furthermor
108 WesternA318 : Well said on many points 777gk! Just have a few questions on the EWR Cargo facility for you. Has it been expanded at all? How much cargo goes through
109 STT757 : The CO EWR cargo building is only 3 years old.
110 Slider : And the one in IAH just opened....it significantly expands a lot of the capacity and coordination for Latin and beyond cargo. It is indeed a big part
111 WesternA318 : Thanks STT757! It's amazing watchign all the cargo go through there. Anyone here been inside yet?
112 ArtieFufkin : "Even so, Many of Delta's 767-300ERs have the narrow-width (70x67) doors which cannot accommodate standard LD-7 pallets" Exactly none of Delta's 767-3
113 ArtieFufkin : Count me in as CAL cargo fan! I think anybody that can brag about being a distant 2nd to American in a market where they have more widebody lift (not
114 Post contains images DeltaSFO : The fact that you are fixated on widebody service in a market as the sole indication (to your knowledge) of cargo demand demonstrates to me your limit
115 ArtieFufkin : It's also a little self serving deltasfo. Let's look at all the airlines Delta had to put up with in Chapter 11. Since 9/11. United USAirways x2 South
116 WesternA318 : Don't forget DL put up with HP during their bankruptcy in the early 90s. CO was losing money rapidy from 92-94, and was dangerously close to filing ag
117 WorldTraveler : I never said that CO didn’t handle cargo, have a large cargo operation in NYC, or have widebodies. However, as I have said before there are an awefu
118 WesternA318 : I knwo for a fact TWA had scheduled JFK-CDG-ATH service up to Sept 1982, since that is what I was on (I have a photo of me and my parents in front of
119 Dutchjet : Lets see what happens - Delta has expanded and cut back its JFK operations many many times in the past years, on both international and domestic serv
120 Panamair : Well, the TXL market is a very different one today, compared to the 90s when DL had the flights from JFK and ATL. Just because it didn't work back th
121 ArtieFufkin : I like the DL 767 here. 19% more total seats. 36 Business Class seats compared to CO's 16. Freight capability. No fuel stops. Slightly higher load fac
122 STT757 : Im would like to see what DL's breakeven load factor is on their Trans-Atlantic 767s, I would be willing to bet that CO's RASM's Yields are better tha
123 BigB : As I recalled, luggage is also loaded into these.
124 Newkai : What's really so great about a widebody?
125 Post contains images Cgnnrw : I've been following this thread for a while and to be honest I think it's gotten way out of hand. The original thread was simply a nice informative an
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