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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1772 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Turkish news TV NTV is reporting that Turkish Airlines' privatisation may take place as soon as next month. The report talked about government reducing its shares to less than 50%. I am not sure if this will done issuing more shares through Istanbul Stock Exchange or block sale though..


Earthbound misfit I
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User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

This will be through share sales on the stock exchange.
The third public offering for THY shares.

I would expect most of the shares to be sold to investment banks etc.


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Selam Bahadir and Robcol99;
Its funny Bahadir that you have started this thread since I was going to(and probably still will) post a rant reply on the thread about TK's new Business class product here:http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2759792/
TK owes whatever positive rep. it has to its people, the FA's and its pilots its top notch MX crew. As far as the management and how the airline is run and directed to future is just a shame, if TK does go private it would be a true world class airline from fleet to route structure to its FF program to PR to its website, many factors that this AKP appointed management messes up. Its my biggest wish that the flagship carrier of Turkey can be saved from the management its running it right now and,can become an airline company that can start the positive tourist experience for any visiting tourist, thus proving and correcting the perceived image of Turkey by many.
P.S. pre AKP management(Mr. Kozlu) was a different story I think they did a terrific job, to bad for AKP Mr.Kozlu's wife doesn't wear a turban so they had to let him go.



Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Gokmengs:

I think you don`t know so much about Turkey. AKP didn`t send Mr. Kozlu. Mr.Kozlu has left TK by himself.
By the way at the moment TK is growing well and they are on `plus` economically.
How you can explain that TK is managed so bad at the moment?

Nobody can say that at the moment TK is managed perfect at the moment. There are lots of things to do. But also you cannot say ` directed to future is just a shame`


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 3):
I think you don`t know so much about Turkey. AKP didn`t send Mr. Kozlu. Mr.Kozlu has left TK by himself.
By the way at the moment TK is growing well and they are on `plus` economically.
How you can explain that TK is managed so bad at the moment?

Nobody can say that at the moment TK is managed perfect at the moment. There are lots of things to do. But also you cannot say ` directed to future is just a shame`

Selam Emrecan FYI I'm Turkish, the flag just represents my location thats all, I live both in IST and in NY I fly the route once a month at least, but not with TK. I use TK for my intra EU and IST-Asia flights.
Back to the subject, why do you think Kozlu left? I am sure being a Turk you know for damn sure that every govt makes "changes" in managements of Govt. owned organizations(in Turkish Kadrolasma) and thats what happened with Kozlu.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 3):
How you can explain that TK is managed so bad at the moment?

1)Hiring frickin Cemil Ipekci for interior design and decoration as well as visual director- arguably a fine designer when it comes to clothes but has no experience in commercial aviation what so ever?
2)Extremely overdue and fleet decisions.
3)Couldn't perepare TK for the aviation boom and Turkey, and are short on pilots because they have no vision.
4)Extremely poor PR.
I can go on if you want.
I love TK don't get me wrong, but its potential is so big yet decision makers ruin for everyone



Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Selam Gokmengs:

Ok I agree with you about the current problems of TK. But I don`t think these problems are occured by the new AKP management. There were always problems unfortunately.

I like Mr. Kozlu, and I am really sad that he is not working for TK anymore. I don`t agree when you tell he left because of religious situation. I repeat again he resigned himself.
Unfortunately (I don`t know if it is same in the other countries) it is a big problem in Turkey all the new govts. make `changes` in managements. The past manager Mr. Bolayirli was the man of ANAP if you remember.
Anyway I hope everything will be fine for our national flag carrier. Like you I want TK to be managed by only the professionals.

Finally I -as a BESIKTAS fan- wish you a good luck for this weekend. I would like to see GALATASARAY as a champion of Turkish Football Leauge.. Smile


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Regretfully government interference continues to keep holding back THY full potential.

Thanks god the airline no longer is run by ex air force generals whom had no clue about commerical realities or customer service which was the standard practice until the early 1980s.

Cem Kozlu during his two separate times at THY first as CEO and seconds time as Chairman of the Board managed to bring his vast real world business experience to the carrier including improvements in the airlines schedules, network, logo, IST hub, cabin interior, frequent flyer program to only name a few. In addition he was able to place THY on a path financial success instead of merely being a state utility company.

The continued use political patronage for THY senior management team hampers the realisation of the true full potential of the airline.
While THY has a quite competent middle management executive team, the change of political winds from one election to another often dictates many difficult decisions are not made on commercial terms, and in some cases are not made at all for fear of upsetting the power structure.

The eventual full privatisation will hopefully finally unleash THY from its subservient stance under government ministries. In addition full privatisation should help bring in foreign capital and brains helping THY rightfully achieve a position of one of the worlds leading airlines.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3242 times:

Wish I could talk freely as you guys can but my current position holds me back to join in this.

All I can say I am hoping(and doing) the best for our flag carrier as, many other workers from top to buttom does.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 5):
Finally I -as a BESIKTAS fan- wish you a good luck for this weekend. I would like to see GALATASARAY as a champion of Turkish Football Leauge..

FENERBAHÇE is the FERRARI of Turkish football...We are waiting Sunday 20:45 to celebrate our championship for 3rd time in a raw...

By the way as I said Ferrari it reminded me about a friend of mine who bought a Ferrari recently.But he is having trouble to drive it good since he used to took metro to go work and home.Its the first time he drives car that big and fast.Infact the car is so fast and big to control he is in the stage to react the car, not to plan ahead and execute in the traffic.

He is moving the car allright but the traffic out there is not easy,many other cars wants to compeate with the Ferrari but he can only drive the car around 90 km/h although Ferrari is capable of doing more.So far there are minor scrathces but I am fearing of a major damage(s) if he doesnt learn to drive it soon....

[Edited 2006-05-11 00:07:07]


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

I only flew TK once, ESB-IST, and while it was not the worst flight I've ever had, it was perhaps among the worst 1%. I'm optimistic that privatisation will lead to great improvements over time.

User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
I only flew TK once, ESB-IST, and while it was not the worst flight I've ever had

What was the bad experiences on that flight?And the aircraft type?



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 7):

Wow Wing! I would expect you to contribute better than that to this thread.(I'm not saying that because I'm a Galatasaray fan trust me)

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
I only flew TK once, ESB-IST, and while it was not the worst flight I've ever had, it was perhaps among the worst 1%. I'm optimistic that privatisation will lead to great improvements over time.

What? When did you fly them? I haven't heard that negative of a statement even from the most negative person regarding TK. What happened on that flight? Please tell us?
IMO TK is a B or B+ airline, I flew them many times.



Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 10):
Wow Wing! I would expect you to contribute better than that to this thread.(I'm not saying that because I'm a Galatasaray fan trust me)

I have a lot but I am waiting until 20:45 this Sunday.  Wink



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

My flight was in 1999, so my memory has faded. It was a widebody, IIRC. No announcements in English, not even minimal safety announcments. (Quite unlike restaurants in Instanbul) none of the stewardesses seemed able to speak more than a few words of English, French, German, Russian, or any other language I can understand. Turche belyoram, ama anlamayoram.  Wink The passengers were out of control, standing in the aisles chatting with their friends seated far away, not letting the carts by. It seemed like no one wore a seatbelt. The moment we landed, many passengers were up in the aisle grabbing their stuff from the overhead bins while we were still speeding down the runway and the stewardesses did nothing about it. I felt like I was on a fraternity bus. I remember being happy that I would not be departing IST on TK.

I also recall that departing IST was a zoo. I couldn't figure out which queues to get in or where to go next, despite at that time having flown more than 1000 times. I was repeatedly misdirected, but the airport isn't TK's fault.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Zvezda:

It has been around 7 years from your last TK flight. Lots of things has changed in this period of time. Unfortunately the behaviours of the pax are not TK's fault.
About the IST Ataturk Airport, it is one of the best in the world..


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 13):
It has been around 7 years from your last TK flight. Lots of things has changed in this period of time.

I'm glad. Sorry I forgot to mention the date in my first post.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 13):
Unfortunately the behaviours of the pax are not TK's fault.

I wasn't faulting TK for the passenger's behavior. I was faulting TK for doing absolutely nothing about it.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 13):
About the IST Ataturk Airport, it is one of the best in the world..

Maybe the signs have improved since I was there. Have you ever been to SIN? Or HKG?


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Zvezda:

I've been to SIN, NRT, AMS, BKK,.. etc. So what??????

I think you haven't been to new terminal of IST. Please don't talk about the things you don't know.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 15):

I think you haven't been to new terminal of IST.

I made clear that I haven't been there since 1999.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 15):
Please don't talk about the things you don't know.

Excuse me? I wrote that it might be better now.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Zvezda:

I just wanted to remind you not to make comments like "Maybe the signs have improved since I was there"
If you come and see the new terminal, you will understand what has changed.
Also why did you ask if I've been to SIN or HKK? I am not like you, I make comments about the things I know. Changi is the best airport in the world but this do not change the IST is not one of the best.


User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Neitherthat I like the current management, nor the things they have done so far are fantastic, but...

Gokmengs has put out 4 criticisms to the current management which I find somewhat far-fetched and speculative.

1. All of you from Turkey would agree that if you decide to work with a designer, Cemil Ýpekci will be a serious candidate. I believe, from my trips on both the new 738 and 320, he did not do a bad job at all.

2. The new management (which were appointed in mid-2003), made a huge fleet decision within the year of their appointment. Yes, a fleet renewal program was overdue but this was not their call.

3. Gokmengs, please refer to the traffic info on TK or AEA website. Look at the passenger numbers, load factors, and landings performed, within the past 5 years, and tell me that was predictable. The boom started in 2004, in 2003 there was the second Gulf war. Plus, if you blame, TK administration, for the lack of pilots in the country, that will be extremely futile. Turkey did not have enough pilots graduating (we dont have enough commercial pilot schools for God's sake) to meet the growth demand within the past 3 years.

I think on the other hand,
1. They should purchase a more comprehensive fleet management program to cope with the summer schedule :when an aircraft goes tech, this can be handled in a better way.

2. Get More ground and cabin staff (New hires should be somewhat a solution to the inadequate staff at the airports and overtimes clocked by flight attendants)


Again, all my humble opinion.


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 7):
FENERBAHÇE is the FERRARI of Turkish football...We are waiting Sunday 20:45 to celebrate our championship for 3rd time in a raw...

Gunaydin arkadaslar, so so so nice to see Turkish members discussing something on here, sometimes the other topics bore me. Well as Wing said, we are both pilots for TK so we arent allowed to comment negatively on the company and all, but maybe over a beer at Flyinn mall watching airport ops we can.

As for GS....sorry FB, this time your luck is out, Denizlispor need points to stay away from relegation, and thus they will beat you, we will make MANTI from Kayserispor, and at 20:45 (17:45 ZULU) turkish local time...we will lift the cup

if we don't, im busy don't message me hahah

I hope that people who havent flown turkish in a while please do fly us now, we have amazing new staff, younger and more aeronautical staff, friendlier cabin crew, GREAT food for an airline and we have expanding destinations, a new airport hub to open in ankara, wonderful things await us and you at TK, the airline is developing faster than the country....the new advert says it DEAD on...binlerce kisinin isini iyi yapmasiyla ( translates to ....because thousands of people have been doing their job well)

saygilar abilerim



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 19):
I hope that people who havent flown turkish in a while please do fly us now, we have amazing new staff, younger and more aeronautical staff, friendlier cabin crew, GREAT food for an airline and we have expanding destinations, a new airport hub to open in ankara, wonderful things await us and you at TK, the airline is developing faster than the country....the new advert says it DEAD on...binlerce kisinin isini iyi yapmasiyla ( translates to ....because thousands of people have been doing their job well)

I had a wonderful time in Turkey. I greatly enjoyed the people and the country. I'm sure I'll go again sometime and I look forward to seeing the new international terminal at IST. Until then, I'm not going to write that the new terminal has been signs than what I experienced in 1999. All I can write is that I hope the signs are better. Anything more, I don't know yet.


User currently offlinePilotjm From Turkey, joined May 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

I agree on int terminal but domestic terminal is a big zoo in ÝST

User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting Wing (Reply 7):
By the way as I said Ferrari it reminded me about a friend of mine who bought a Ferrari recently.But he is having trouble to drive it good since he used to took metro to go work and home

I didn't want to hijack the thread but I hope you guys understood what I was trying to say with the Ferrari example.

Now I hijack the thread;

I have a very best friend(Aðabey)who flies at Pegasus as a captain who is not only a very big GS fan but a FB hater as well.While we were on our tour at Algeria we were stuck on each other causing us to discuss FB-GS wars all the way over the Sahara desert.
One day he was so upset I brought up the biggest victories of FB(ofcourse that was before the faboulus UEFA cup win) after we landed at one of the desert airports(Tamanraset to be exact) he asked me how long was to return trip to our base Alger but in a very serious face.I turned to bring the flight plan from the cockpit and he said

-"what the hell are you doing?
-I'll tell the return time from the flight plan.
-NO no he said I asked how long does it take to reach Alger on a Camel,because I am planning to leave you here if you don't stop defending FB ....That was the biggest victory of GS against FB since he was the captain I had nothing to say to this so I shut up until....

.....Until 6 Kasým.On that day the faboulus 6-0 victory over GS.We were on a descent and I heard his voice on the radio on the company frequency asking the parking stand number.I didn't missed the opportunity to jump in and I said;

Sir after landing the runway 0 6,the parking stand will be 6-0 for you and you'll have a slot time at time 0 6 Z while you'll be reciving 6 0 passengers for the outbound leg as Sunturk 6 0.

There was a long pause on the radio I heard the laughter on the ground side .Ofcourse I had to avoid him for the next couple of weeks to escape his wrath.

I am looking forward to this sunday 20:45 to catch him somewhere on the radio  Smile



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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Wing:

Great joke Big grin


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Yes, I really like the new terminal at IST. Especially Gloria Jeans Coffee. Duty Free shops have always good bargains, too bad they started limiting on how many bottles you can buy on arrival. I used to see people buying cases of wine.
Even then I still remember the bathroom doors didn't have signs "Push, Pull, Yes this is the bathroom Welcome..." on them, so people used to follow the signs and wait, confused in front of the stainless steel monoliths.
And IST is one of those airports, that sometimes you feel like your are in an old Startrek episode in another galaxy, where C.Kirk and his friends are in a another planets' bar, where a huge range of civilizations mingle. And don't forget the prime directive: "Do not interfere with cultures till they discover the warp drive."


25 Firiko : Cemil Ipekci as a serious candidate for desinging aircraft interior ? I don't think so. He is definetly not the smartest choice Tk has ever made. A g
26 TK787 : Oh wouldn't that be fun, something like the "Project Runway", no pun intended. Unfortunately, even the most progressive airlines could not afford to
27 Firiko : Well tk managment doesn't mind making decisions that involve higher risks that simply has no justificaiton what so ever. Just follow the media. I cou
28 Pilotaydin : Friko, i understand what you're trying to say, but the issue is like this Turkey doesn't recognize English as an official language of the country, so
29 Firiko : I agree that the idea being able to travel and a good salary in Turkish standart makes Tk a magnet for university graduates but I somehow feel that T
30 Pilotaydin : well considering there are thousands of cabin crew...we would have to do a survey of almost each one of them to be able to reach a factual conclusion
31 Post contains images Gokmengs : thanks for the clarification, a lot changed since then hope you get to try them again. Sorry but I don't agree with that, he could be good for design
32 TK787 : A lot of stuff doesn't make sense when we veer away from civil aviation and you are right I should have kept it that way. I was trying to answer to F
33 Mbg : couldn't agree more. mbg
34 Bahadir : gokmen, this ILS argument is nothing but a big lie! This has become popular after DIY crash of the RJ. Everybody knows here that the it was a pilot e
35 Mbg : Hi Bahadir, Yes, the RJ crash was most probably due to pilot error as almost all civil airline accidents (except for the TK 734 in Ceyhan, maybe) in T
36 Wing : Quoting Bahadir (Reply 34): Unfortunately there are lots of bad pilots in Turkey where they got the job because of some political connections or just
37 TK787 : I don't know if this is comforting or scary, especially coming from you. When you say Turkey's airports, which one's are you referring to? Thanks.
38 Wing : I don't want to scare nor comfort you.I want you all know the truth and have a general idea about how rough conditions we really have to work comparin
39 Pilotaydin : lay lay lay lay lay lay lay lay laaaaaaay ooooo cim bom bom if we ever meet in turkey, id like to personally tell you some of my non precision approac
40 Firiko : Well If GM Mr Kotil goes on tv simply lies about How Tk is going to be able to compete with major players like Emirates day after day in every media
41 TK787 : Wing, Thanks, I always do, I still have a great thrill just to be able look out the window, or feel the power of the engines during takeoff while I a
42 Post contains images TurkishWings : However much I would like to see Cim bom bom as the champion, I think we all know they will not be...I am a Besiktas supporter and just like the rest
43 TK787 : Welcome aboard. I was at a party 10 days ago, and J.Roberts was there. Sorry, just couldn't help...[Edited 2006-05-13 16:22:01]
44 N503JB : If Turkey is the only country in the world, *** YES ***. I know and been many many times in IST airport between 2002 - 2006 and I am going again this
45 B52murph : As a US GI stationed in Adana, I can say from experience much has changed, but some still needs to change. Late last summer I flew ADA-IST-FRA and ba
46 Emrecan : N503JB: I think you don't understand English language so well.. I didn't say IST is the best. I said it is one of the best. If you are not able to und
47 TurkishWings : It somehow appears to me that you can't speak very good English either and I believe you also work in the airline industry. English is not our primar
48 Pilotaydin : Attention.... an airport shouldn't be judged by the police that work there or the people that work there, because those people change DAILY in some ai
49 N503JB : I think you having the same problem like me; please check your spelling before you post your very good English. The worst part for me in English is w
50 Emrecan : N503JB: I am sorry for you but you still don`t understand. I am repeating..; I didn`t tell IST is the best, I told IST is one of the best in the world
51 Post contains images Bahadir : I have been following this thread being hijacked by so many different posters. I am expecting that moderators take action against it. Also, a few word
52 Emrecan : Sent by mistake sorry[Edited 2006-05-14 16:09:49]
53 Emrecan : Bahadir: A few words directly to you! I never accept if you tell me `You have no acceptance for critism for anything Turkish`. First of all I hate stu
54 TK787 : Actually in Jan 2005, I had to call this office 5 times just to buy a ticket, and one of the calls was answered by someone in Turkey. Maybe someone c
55 N503JB : I disagree IST airport whatever is the best or one of the best airport in the world. If TK or IST airport would like to be one of the best airport or
56 Post contains images Wing : You know what?Me too.
57 Post contains images Gokmengs : What I was getting at, to me "show" in this business does affect service levels and TK could use some consistency and improvement in its service rati
58 Post contains images Bahadir : Gokmen, I have been in Turkey for last 2 months. Dealt with a lot of people in aviation field and I am almost in contact with some people from airline
59 Post contains images Wing : Bahadýr, I have to say you have very interesting priorities.You are suggesting an ILS as a luxury and talking about the lack of taxi ways.Backtracki
60 Post contains images Bahadir : You mentioned that THY leases WorldHocusPocus Mds because of the width of the runway. This is creating a limitation for certain aircraft. Not having
61 Pilotjm : I am wondering if there are any WEAPON DESK S in any other countries than Turkey.?
62 TK787 : If you mean "people coming to the airport with guns"... Only a few years back before 9/11, some Alaskan airport check in desks, had huge sings with h
63 Gokmengs : It is off topic but; Sour losers thats what you guys are doing.Just say congrats and get it over with. Back to topic; Bahadir; I think its definite th
64 Pilotaydin : so far there are 2 in service, 3 more to come
65 TK787 : Hello everyone, I have started a thread at non-av titled "time to remember 20:45" if you are interested.
66 Mbg : Considering that you can legally buy automatic weapons in the U.S... Yes they are all over the country under the name security check points. mbg
67 Post contains images Wing : Ooo thats big news,congratulations. They started flying domestic a lot recently so hopefully next year this time we'll have a lot more to agree.I wil
68 Post contains images Bahadir : Wing, thanks.. Mom thinks that I am nuts carrying a full -400 panel at home. Today is the first day of ground school. Wish me luck.. Now,if only the c
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