Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3038 times:
What airlines if any airlines will start up service to and from IND once the new terminal is built? Can anyone think of any or any possiblities??? I hear there is going to be 3 gates at the midfield terminal for international arrivals so you don't have to go to the dump internationla building
Eric
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IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Sadly, I highly doubt any international carrier will bother with IND. The metro population is less than 2 million, the business of the area isn't booming and expanding like plenty of other cities south and west, and with ORD just a hop and a skip away, the international gates will probably be for Mexico and Canada. Yes, it's disappointing. But it's reality. There's always that chance, but it's pretty slim. As far as airlines actually starting up new routes to IND, JetBlue and Spirit are on the move, but the airport is already well-served by every other major airline.
My guess is that, if NW recovers significantly, it will attempt another expansion at IND and make it a substantial hub. But the new facilities might attract more LCC services from WN or AirTran, then again, both of those have MDW so close by. It's a tough call. I don't see the new terminal doing much other than vastly improving the environment and being a model for new airport design in the US which is an accomplishment in itself. But it's more what Indianapolis can do for IND in terms of passengers than the other way around.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
very well put IcelandairMSP thanks buddy
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Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
At most what do you see Northwest or Airtran doing with IND? About how many flights do you think they will have??
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Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3019 times:
Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 3): At most what do you see Northwest or Airtran doing with IND? About how many flights do you think they will have??
100 MAX between both of them.
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 1): My guess is that, if NW recovers significantly, it will attempt another expansion at IND and make it a substantial hub.
wait...what? DTW? MSP? MEM? IND?
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 1): I don't see the new terminal doing much other than vastly improving the environment and being a model for new airport design in the US which is an accomplishment in itself.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3019 times:
Will IND be a hub for anyone what do you think nosedive???
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Add to that STL MDW ORD(x2) CVG PIT(ish...) and CLE in the general area... I think the dualopoly b/w NW and FL will be there when the new terminal is done. IND's hangin' with a tough crowd when it comes to a full blown hub, though.
IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
For NW, it will bolster the typical higher demand routes: DCA, LGA, ORD, BOS, PHL, and MCO. I'm sure these will all continue in CRJs (though, depending on the fleet future, could move up to the supposed Embraer 175s and 190s supposedly to be ordered) and remain 2 or 3 times daily. IND will keep 5 or 6 A320 flights a day to MSP and ORD (varies between A319, A320, and 757 so we'll just average those and say A320) and probably 3 to 4 MEM CRJ flights per day. It will keep the flagship LAX, LAS, SFO, and SEA flights daily in an A319. Growth, I'm guessing, we'll be in midwest flying and the airline will probably add CRJ flights to other NW mini-hubs like MKE and GRR as well as nearby places like STL, MCI, CMH, BNA, OMA, and maybe somewhere like MCY or CTL would be thrown in. I'd also expect a 319 to PHX and maybe one to DEN too. So, as you see, not a whole lot of difference. But I think it could remain a good "slow cooker" hub for NW. Somewhere they can comfortably operate a broad range of direct services and gradually add a route here, a route there, without ever oversaturating anything. But the completion is a ways off. We'll see though.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
in the future do you think Northwest will add a non stop to Europe? I know not any time soon. But maybe you could market some connections thru IND when the new terminal is complete?? What do you guys think ?
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IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
Heck, they have all those A330s with more options in addition to the 18 787s plus 50 options (which I've seen mentioned here and there from various reliable and unreliable sources) some of which will likely be exercised. Give them a daily AMS flight like MEM and there you go. Access to Europe and a big hub. But, again, IND isn't an established hub and with similar sized metros like CLE, PIT, and MEM struggling to keep their numbers up, I suspect NW would continue to take advantage of it's large World Gateway McNamara Terminal at DTW. Again, it's just (and only just) a slight possibility.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
well with feed do you think it will happen??
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Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2991 times:
Does Northwest even market IND as a place to connect other than DTW or MSP MEM???
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IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
No. CLE has way more feed than what NW would probably focus in IND and they barely have that seasonal 757 LGW flight. NW is good at hubbing and with DTW already with enough Euro flights and MSP with a few along with the network that includes all the EWR, ATL, and IAH international flights (of which there are LOTS), NW would really have to be riding high to put that in motion. That's the reason they have 6 A320s doing IND-DTW per day; they use it as a hub to feed another hub if one wanted an international flight.
So, as I said before, there's always that chance. It's a great facility and a borderline metro area. But It's smack dab in the middle of numerous more competitive airports so the chance is very, very slim. Even with feed.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:
Think IND will even use those 3 international arrivals gates daily?? Or will those 3 gates just sit and collect dust?
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 1): the international gates will probably be for Mexico and Canada
Well most likely not for Canada since most Canadian cities have preclearance. Air Canada has a few flights to YYZ, but those are handled by United and that probably won't change.
As far as international goes, I think Mexico will be most of it. IND will have CUN service and maybe some other cities in the Caribbean. I think that there is eventually a chance for a nonstop flight to AMS. AMS has a ton of feed, and there is some international travel from IND. The airport serves most of the state of Indiana, which has a population of about 8 million. But this part of the country isn't booming in any way. There are not many expanding businesses and the median income is quite low, but there is a chance for a flight to Europe.
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7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
I think there will be international service, just not on a daily basis. Perhaps two or three weekly flights to AMS or another city overseas. Furthermore, the Indianapolis metro area and surrounding suburbs are growing at a very fast pace and new businesses are being lured to the area so i think by the time the new airport terminal opens and soon thereafter, there could very well be the demand for the international flights. I could be wrong but i honestly don't think i am
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7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
p.s. As for domestic service..i think JetBlue will come to IND. Spirit is a possibility. As for Northwest, it depends on what happens during bankruptcy. I don't think they will make IND a hub mainly for the reason that it is close to DTW and MSP. I do see them adding more flights and destinations but not in a big way. As for AirTran, i think IND would make a good "2nd hub," but with the terminal not slated to open until later in 2008, who knows what they will do. I sometimes think some people look at tomorrow and not down the road. True, right now the Indianapolis population and surrounding population are not big enough to have a big hub or international service overseas, but what about 5 years from now, or 10 years? or 25 years? That is just my 2 cents.
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Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 1): the business of the area isn't booming and expanding like plenty of other cities south and west
Actually business and the population in the metro area is booming. Maybe not quite to the level of the Phoenix area but it is definately on the rise in a hurry.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
Will IND use there international gates for domestic flights as well or will the 3 international gates sit empty until international arrivals come in ?
Eric
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Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
They will use the 3 international gates for domestic as well. They are like every other gate with the exception of having a secured exit available for international flights that routes people to customs & immigration instead of the main concourse. Basically when you walk off the jetway you will turn right down a hall which takes you to customs or that door will be closed and you will walk out a door in front of you which takes you to the main terminal.
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 39 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
Quoting Fedexexpress (Thread starter): What airlines if any airlines will start up service to and from IND once the new terminal is built? Can anyone think of any or any possiblities??? I hear there is going to be 3 gates at the midfield terminal for international arrivals so you don't have to go to the dump internationla building
IND really has a pretty good level of service in place for the area it serves, I don't expect any carriers to come knocking at the door as costs rise to help pay for the new terminal. Sure, JetBlue is a possibility, as it is everywhere, but I don't envision any other carriers having significant interest in starting anything of significance at IND.
Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 1): My guess is that, if NW recovers significantly, it will attempt another expansion at IND and make it a substantial hub.
Not happening. Neither is the AMS flight (may some of you remember that PHL-AMS failed with flying colors). The level of service by the other airlines combined with what NW has in place serves the metro nicely. In addition the new terminal is only something like 30-40 gates, sure there is room for expansion, but a substantial hub needs at least 30. Where do all the other carriers go?
If I were hoping for something at IND, I'd let my hopes ride on the expansion of FL. They've shown an elevated amount of interest in the market, and probably have the greatest potential to expand their operations. They've stated no more new cities in '06. Where are those planes going to go that are on order? Obviously existing cities, maybe IND, I wouldn't be surprised.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
I think our best shot of getting a airline to put a so called hub in IND i think it will be with Airtran. That would be perfect with the city and with the airline i think! Any thoughts on where airtran might add flights from IND to??
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JetBlueLuv From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 114 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 22): I think our best shot of getting a airline to put a so called hub in IND i think it will be with Airtran.
Agreed. AirTran needs a "northern" hub, and it seems as though IND is the spot due to its prime location for NE cities, MW cities, as well as possibility to CA. I think a NW hub is a longshot due to their current financial status along with the fact that a third hub in the midwest would be suicide. I see Airtran international flights to Toronto (possible?) and the Bahamas. NW to CDG would be quite nice, but AMS seems like the best bet.
Fedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
So does everyone think Airtran will make IND its second hub?????
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25 Luv2fly: Anything is possible though IMHO - I believe Airtran will still go after flights from MDW when possible.
26 JetBlueLuv: Isn't Orlando the second hub for AirTran? I don't think we need to jump to conclusions based on two statements. I think that if IND was made into a h
27 Indy: Whoa. Slow down and easy on the caffeine there Right now IND doesn't have the room for FL to build a hub. The limited gate space would at best allow
28 Fedexexpress: I never said they were building a hub here i wanted everyones thoughts of what they think like i stated. So don't really know where you got that stat
29 7E72004: I think things may have been much different if the terminal was to have opened in the summer of next year (which was the original opening date)..AirTr
30 OzarkD9S: FL has a healthy operation there, but connections are non-existant, unless you want to fly PHF-MCO-MDW or some other out of the way routing.
31 7E72004: How would WN react if FL started IND-BWI flights...or IND-MDW flights??
32 Fedexexpress: I am not a fan of Southwest at all so I would be all for a IND-MDW route or a IND-BWI route as well. Eric
33 7E72004: I think the IND-MDW route would work well...granted FL does not have a ton of flights out of IND but in addition to the O/D market, which there is one
34 Fedexexpress: SO you are saying IND would be acting as a hub? Like MDW flights into IND can dump pax then fly outbound to destionations unknown???
35 7E72004: I am not saying that it is going to happen overnight but if you would look ahead instead of looking at the next hour, you would be able to see that th
36 Fedexexpress: but they all say from other parts of the country that IND area is not booming at all. ???? I live 20 miles northwest of IND airport. I know for a fact
37 7E72004: I guess then that fed ex is not expanding either...and the companies that have committed to the Indianapolis metro area are not coming...oh...and the
38 RoseFlyer: I don't see that happening. WN already flies IND-MDW, while UA and AA fly IND-ORD. That is a ton of seats. Those airlines connect a lot of people thr
39 Indy: Unless either MDW or IND is being built in to a hub I don't see the route happening.
40 JetBlueLuv: Dude...breathe in...breathe out. Let's calm down...ok, one person had mentioned the simple possibility that if IND ever made it to hub status, Airtra
41 Indy: Actually Indianapolis is booming. Indianapolis the city which makes up almost all of Marion County isn't changing much. It is already one of the top
42 LOT767-300ER: This is laughable at best. Not only is ORD being reworked right now (extra terminal to the west and entrance + extra runway and re-configuration) its
43 Indy: Attractive for who? Certainly not the traveling public. Driving to ORD is a nightmare and that will never be fixed. The place is too big and internat
44 JetBlueLuv: Forgive me, I just noted that only 2 people had even mentioned an IND hub for Airtran, and then you made your little jump to conclusions that you alw
45 JetBlueLuv: Yes, this is growing at a fast pace, but I'm talking about booming here. Las Vegas in terms of the city itself has slowed down to growth rates of 87%
46 ZID: Where did he compare Indianapolis to Las Vegas and Atlanta?
47 ZID: I think we need to look at it more from a metropolitan area standpoint rather than a suburban standpoint. Every city, even those in the rest of the w
48 Indy: You can't begin to include Las Vegas in the mix because it is such a unique animal. Its growth is heavily dependent on tourism. Actually if you do a
49 Fedexexpress: INDY and JETBLUELUV I apologize for what i said. Hope you can accept it. I think everyone under estimates IND. I do think there is demand here for a i
50 Indy: Its not a problem at all. There is honestly no need to apologize. We are all here just having a good time. IND does have the demand for limited servi
51 Tiger119: - IND had CUN service before TZ bailed out - And it is only going to get worse flying in and out of ORD. They have a plan to reconfigure their runway
52 Tiger119: Also, when is the new tower going to be up (pardon the pun) and running? David
53 ZID: Indianapolis still has Cancun service. Frontier and Northwest each run Saturday non-stops.
54 ZID: It already is. It opened for business a couple of weeks ago.
55 Indy: Frontier also runs something like Monday & Wednesday service to CUN as well. I think that is it. I know it is two week days in addition to the Saturd
56 ATAIndy: I agree, but not with the everybody part. Besides, I don't think that there is anything that can be done at this point. Like Indy said: In my opionon
57 ZID: Frontier just ended their other two weekday flights. I'm sure that next winter we'll see those two weekly flights added back to the shedule for snowb
58 JetBlueLuv: Heh...these things entertain me. No prob, buddy. And I really hope nobody thinks I'm underestimating Indianapolis...
59 Tiger119: To add another spin to this conversation, it seems like everytime I am at the terminal at IND, I see plates from Illinois, dropping people off and pic
60 JetBlueLuv: He didn't. I'm just saying that the "booming" level of growth is limited primarily to those two metros, and to put IND on the same level is stretchin
61 Indy: I think booming is relative. If you compare things to Atlanta and Phoenix nothing much is booming. But what about when you compare a location to the
62 JetBlueLuv: Agreed. I'd say that if you compared IND to another NW focus city, such as Milwaukee, IND is definitely booming.
63 Indy: Or when you compare the metro area to places like Nashville, Memphis, Little Rock, etc.
64 JetBlueLuv: I know I'm gonna get flak, but I think it could be booming in comparison to Little Rock, but I find growth in Indianapolis to be equal to that of Nas
65 ATAIndy: Well, for a while IND sort of became known for it's cheap fares due to healthy competition, but after the loss of ATA, the prices have started to cre
66 JetBlueLuv: Does AirTran still keep fares out of IND at reasonable prices?
67 7E72004: I have to admit, O'Hare is not as bad as some make it out to be. I flew into ORD last year and it was actually not that bad. I had the impression that
68 ZID: Just to give some relevance to these "booming" claims, I went to the US Census site to get the metropolitan area population growth rates. Unfortunatel
69 ATAIndy: So this includes the surrounding counties of the city right? Interesting facts, I didn't know Nashville was growing at such a rate, thanks for the in
70 ZID: Prices have risen at Indy, but they've gone up everywhere. So Indianapolis still has the lowest prices in the region. Over the past few months I've b
71 Indy: I never would have guessed. Interesting because when I checked the 100 fastest growing counties in the US there was nothing in Nevada anywhere close
72 Indy: I was able to get a picture of the Midfield Terminal construction today. It isn't the greatest picture. I swear I never have any luck getting out to t
73 Tiger119: - Have they shortened runway 14-32 yet? - It seems to be different per airline, it seems like NW takes their time taxiing while WN waste no time taxi
74 Indy: dangit! I forgot to look when I was there this morning.
75 Tiger119: - They are supposed to cut off about 800 feet at the approach end of Runway 32 because from the new tower, their view is cut by the FedEx structure.
76 Stirling: This website has metro information. http://www.proximityone.com/msa03us.htm Through 2003, Indianapolis Metro had 3.25% growth and was the 34th larges
77 Indy: " target=_blank>http://www.proximityone.com/msa03us.htm Look at your source. It is a 2 year window. Who measures population growth over such a small p
78 Stirling: The Census. They are constantly forecasting and projecting. The trends contained are consistent with the today and now.
79 Indy: Nobody makes population based decisions on 2 years worth of data. Lets see how many of these places sustain the growth for 10 more years.
80 ZID: There's no reason to get mad Indy. Stirling's numbers are consistent with the official US Census numbers for growth between 1990 and 2000. So even tho
81 Indy: I'm not mad. I'm just saying you don't use a 2 year sample to make your case on population change. Its not an issue whether the numbers are right or
82 7E72004: Cool picture...the thing is...the airline industry is hard enough to predict and who knows...the new terminal could be built but half of the airlines
84 Indy: Growth rates can be misleading in a few ways. Take the Indianapolis metro area. Marion county which accounts for 800,000+ of the 1,600,00+ metro area
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