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DL Adds 25 More Flights At JFK  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6478 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060511/98932.html

More domestic expansion for DL at JFK including two new routes PWM-JFK and MHT-JFK. It'll be interesting to see how this massive expansion goes. I think DL is going a little overboard on some routes, but we'll see how many of these last a year.

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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15372 times:

This morning there was a Jet Blue commercial with a message saying that they will be starting JFK - Portland Maine service soon. Did Jet Blue announce this already?


Go Delta!
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15347 times:

This really isn’t the risk a lot of you want to make it out to be. DL has carried lots of traffic in and out of the NE for years. At worst, all they will do is connect traffic that was going through CVG or ATL and route it over JFK. Since most of DL’s domestic flights from JFK have relied entirely on local traffic since DL has served very little north or JFK, they will at best held connect traffic to their growing transcontinental and their resized Florida flights plus all of the connections along the east coast that are currently flowing over EWR and PHL. At best, they’ll attract lots of new local and flow international traffic to/through JFK. There is no doubt that they cannot sustain a large int’l presence without a lot more cities than they have served before which is why they have to build up the domestic operation in order to make the int’l flights work. Given that they will serve most of the top 50 domestic markets, they should have no problem making their operation work.

And before you all comment about the facility, DL will obviously measure the effectiveness of this buildup and make a decision over the winter and into the spring about how much they need to build out/replace/refurbish their current facility. I don’t think anyone doubts they need better facilities and DL was supposedly very close to signing up for an expensive facility similar to what AA did prior to 9/11. DL didn’t sign up for a new terminal but got the pilot contract instead. AA signed up for massively expensive new facilities at JFK and MIA as well as the new int’l terminal at DFW. DL will build new facilities at JFK in time but they will have to get out of BK and reduce their facilities costs elsewhere, such as in BOS.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15306 times:

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 1):
This morning there was a Jet Blue commercial with a message saying that they will be starting JFK - Portland Maine service soon. Did Jet Blue announce this already?

Long ago- service starts May 23, with I believe 4 daily A320s.


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15269 times:

Fly Delta out of PWM on a cramped 50 Comair regional jet, or ride on a nice comfortable A320 with personal TVs and full service from an award winning cabin staff....now that's a tough choice.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15231 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 4):
Fly Delta out of PWM on a cramped 50 Comair regional jet,

DL won't be using those planes on PWM-JFK. Guess reading the actual PR can actually be of help  Wink .

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Thread starter):
I think DL is going a little overboard on some routes, but we'll see how many of these last a year.

I think they will all last as far as routes go. As far as the frequency goes, however, I'd suspect, almost expect, all the routes that will have 4 daily flights to go down to 3 daily flights.
And with only DHC-8s being used, the risk is obviously not as high as with CRJs, although still existant.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15108 times:

Nice to see DL expanding in JFK  Smile

Can anyone give me a list of all the destinations and aircraft served from JFK and BOS?  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15080 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 4):
Fly Delta out of PWM on a cramped 50 Comair regional jet, or ride on a nice comfortable A320 with personal TVs and full service from an award winning cabin staff....now that's a tough choice.

Connect from DL's new PWM service to JFK and fly on to AMS/ATH/BCN/BUD/FCO/FRA/GRU/MAD/MXP/NCE/ETC/ETC or...

ride on a nice comfortable A320 with personal TVs and then swim to AMS/ATH/BCN/BUD/FCO/FRA/GRU/MAD/MXP/NCE/ETC/ETC

Now that's a tough choice!

The DL service is aimed more at connecting passengers (as is the B6 service, frankly), and the DL service will be on cramped -8s (Freedom Air).


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15053 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 7):
Connect from DL's new PWM service to JFK and fly on to AMS/ATH/BCN/BUD/FCO/FRA/GRU/MAD/MXP/NCE/ETC/ETC or...

ride on a nice comfortable A320 with personal TVs and then swim to AMS/ATH/BCN/BUD/FCO/FRA/GRU/MAD/MXP/NCE/ETC/ETC

Now that's a tough choice!

However, DL is offering 4 daily flights from PWM to JFK. At most, 2 of them will connect to the European bank meaning the other two flights will rely mostly on O+D or domestic connections.

So if you want to fly PWM-RDU, you could fly on B6 and get an A320/E190 or get DL and a CRJ/DH8. Not such a tough choice.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15053 times:

From BOS:
ATL, BWI, BGR, BDA, CUN, CHS, CVG, CMH, FLL, RSW,
YFC, GSO, YHZ, JAX, LAS, LAX, BNA, NAS, JFK, LGA,
ORF, MCO, YQB, SLC, SAV, TPA, DCA, PBI
Note that some of those have not started yet. Same goes for JFK, from where DL flies to:
ACA, ALB, AMS, AUA, ATH, ATL, AUS, BWI, BCN, TXL,
BOS, BRU, BUD, BUF, CHS, ORD, CVG, CMH, CLE, CMH,
DTW, DUB, FLL, RSW, IND, IST, KBP, LAS, LAX, SJD,
MAD, MHT, MAN, MEX, MIA, MXP, YUL, SVO, BNA, NCE,
ORF, MCO, CDG, PIT, PWM, PVD, PVR, RDU, RIC, ROC,
FCO, STL, SLC, SAN, SFO, SJU, STI, SDQ, SEA, SNN,
SYR, TPA, YYZ, VCE, IAD, DCA, PBI

That should be all, if I haven't missed any.

[Edited 2006-05-11 17:27:41]

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14991 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
ACA, ALB, AMS, AUA, ATH, ATL, AUS, BWI, BCN, TXL,
BOS, BRU, BUD, BUF, CHS, ORD, CVG, CMH, CLE, CMH,
DTW, DUB, FLL, RSW, IND, IST, KBP, LAS, LAX, SJD,
MAD, MHT, MAN, MEX, MIA, MXP, YUL, SVO, BNA, NCE,
ORF, MCO, CDG, PIT, PWM, PVD, PVR, RDU, RIC, ROC,
FCO, STL, SLC, SAN, SFO, SJU, STI, SDQ, SEA, SNN,
SYR, TPA, YYZ, VCE, IAD, DCA, PBI


Minor correction...add GRU (starts in June) and remove STL and RSW.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14941 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Minor correction...add GRU (starts in June) and remove STL and RSW.

Thanks for that. Had completely forgotten about GRU and that RSW is LGA-only. STL is still shown in the PDF-schedule, though admittedly I didn't pay attention to any "Disc. eff 123" notes.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14928 times:

At least some of DL’s PWM service will be on CRJs. However, keep in mind that almost all of the intra-northeast service on every other carrier is on regional jets or turboprops. Other than BOS, CO has a couple mainline flights north of EWR; US has a bit more mainline service from PHL and DCA to the north but what DL is offering is really quite competitive with the rest of the industry.

Remember, B6 is the carrier that has just announced that their strategy of flying longhaul domestic and Florida markets 20 times a day is not profitable. Yes, they will get good yields on short haul routes within the NE but the local market is only so big even with low fares. Instead, they will be carrying lots of connecting passengers over JFK at costs that are approaching those of the legacy carriers.

RJs are the right size aircraft for the NE shorthaul markets and are especially well-suited to feed the international traffic DL is developing.

Also, do not assume that DL is building a domestic connecting base just for itself and its European operation. I’m sure they make good money providing feed to all of the international carriers serving JFK in addition to what DL needs. DL sets the prorate agreements that establish what price carriers pay to connect to their flights and they control the inventory so they have every possibility of making money connecting traffic to other airlines as well as their own.

And as for DL’s current int’l schedule, I don’t think you’ve seen the last of DL’s int’l expansion. They are certain to be announcing some warm weather destinations to begin serving this winter in order to balance out their European routes. You can’t just park a bunch of 767s for the winter but there are also good markets which DL will certainly enter.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14893 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
And as for DL�s current int�l schedule, I don�t think you�ve seen the last of DL�s int�l expansion. They are certain to be announcing some warm weather destinations to begin serving this winter in order to balance out their European routes. You can�t just park a bunch of 767s for the winter but there are also good markets which DL will certainly enter.

Good point, although I doubt it will be that much new service. After all, the off-season to Europe will also be used to upgrade interiors on the 767s, which will take a couple out of service anyway; and the most interesting markets like Argentina and Brazil can only see equipment upgrades, but not additional flights.
That said, the second flight on ATL-SCL will likely return, and perhaps even be daily instead of 3x weekly last winter, and the new flight to UIO and Guayaquil could be upgraded to a 763 from the 757, and perhaps the long rumored 767 to BOG. Of course, DL could also add JFK-SCL or JFK-LIM, though those are likely more year-round routes.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14823 times:

``Delta continues to demonstrate to our customers why we are New York's airline with the addition of more new flights to more destinations than any carrier in the market,'' said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's vice president -- Network Planning.

Is he saying DL has the most flights to the most destinations in the NY "market"? I know this has been discussed recently, but I wonder how true that is given CO's presence in the "market".


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14795 times:

MHT could work well I think, even though Delta isn't an LCC. This will be the best trans-atlantic connection opportunity at Manchester, in my opinion.
It looks like JFK-BTV is now double daily.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14731 times:

Is there any chance of seeing some of the mid sized cities in the midwest getting into this action at JFK? I would think 2x daily from cities like FWA, DAY, FNT, SBN....and more could bring in a healthy mix of O/D and connecting Int'l traffic.

Is there just one bank of International flights or are there more?? Info greatly appreciated!

Ryan


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14625 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 2):
And before you all comment about the facility, DL will obviously measure the effectiveness of this buildup and make a decision over the winter and into the spring about how much they need to build out/replace/refurbish their current facility. I don’t think anyone doubts they need better facilities and DL was supposedly very close to signing up for an expensive facility similar to what AA did prior to 9/11. DL didn’t sign up for a new terminal but got the pilot contract instead

The Delta plan from '99-'00 did not involve a new terminal, they were going to move their International and some Domestic mainline flights to T-4, They were going to pay to expand both concourses of T-4. The foriegn carriers in T-4 West would move to an expanded T-4 East Concourse, Delta would have then take over the entire expanded T-4 West Concourse which would have been between 10 and 15 gates.

They would then have torn down T-3 to create a hardstand parking area, they would have then expanded T-2 by 4 or 5 gates and concentrated most RJs at T-2.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14541 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
The Delta plan from '99-'00 did not involve a new terminal, they were going to move their International and some Domestic mainline flights to T-4, They were going to pay to expand both concourses of T-4. The foriegn carriers in T-4 West would move to an expanded T-4 East Concourse, Delta would have then take over the entire expanded T-4 West Concourse which would have been between 10 and 15 gates.

They would then have torn down T-3 to create a hardstand parking area, they would have then expanded T-2 by 4 or 5 gates and concentrated most RJs at T-2.

That sounds about right. IIRC, DL's new facilities were to consist of 26 gate positions, which would have been 12 at T-2 (narrowbodies only), and 14 at T-4West (widebodies and all int'l flights), while in the middle there would have been 20 hardstands, primarily for RJs. Too bad that there were never any drawings of the proposed terminals, though from looking at it in Google Earth, it's at least obvious that the required space is there.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6661 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14499 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
``Delta continues to demonstrate to our customers why we are New York's airline with the addition of more new flights to more destinations than any carrier in the market,'' said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's vice president -- Network Planning.

Is he saying DL has the most flights to the most destinations in the NY "market"? I know this has been discussed recently, but I wonder how true that is given CO's presence in the "market".

It's not. Just more of DL's efforts to keep telling a lie enough until it gets traction.

Adding more connect markets to JFK to feed international flights without having a true connecting hub?

Yeah. That worked really well for TWA back in the day....and it's a construct that is about 30 years outdated.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14456 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 4):
Fly Delta out of PWM on a cramped 50 Comair regional jet,

DL won't be using those planes on PWM-JFK. Guess reading the actual PR can actually be of help .

The press release I read says that's the plan. Dash-8's????? I can't imagine what the folks Atlanta are thinking. There is no way we can compete with B6 and their A320's with Dash 8's and RJ's. Sometimes this company embarrasses me to the core.



Delta's expanded service in the Northeast will be operated by Delta Connection carriers Comair and Freedom Airlines using a mix of 50-seat Bombardier regional jets and 37-seat DeHavilland Dash-8 turboprops.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14405 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 4):
Fly Delta out of PWM on a cramped 50 Comair regional jet, or ride on a nice comfortable A320 with personal TVs and full service from an award winning cabin staff....now that's a tough choice.



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
The press release I read says that's the plan. Dash-8's????? I can't imagine what the folks Atlanta are thinking. There is no way we can compete with B6 and their A320's with Dash 8's and RJ's. Sometimes this company embarrasses me to the core

The way you compete is by funneling that traffic to Europe. And if you're that "embarassed", rather then gripe on a message board convey your thoughts to a manager or quit.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14375 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 20):
The press release I read says that's the plan. Dash-8's????? I can't imagine what the folks Atlanta are thinking. There is no way we can compete with B6 and their A320's with Dash 8's and RJ's. Sometimes this company embarrasses me to the core.

It's not about competing with B6, it's about feeding the longhaul network and the transcons from JFK. But anyway, let's look at some facts:
-The Dashs are props, and way more fuel efficient than RJs.
-The Dashs only have 37 seats to fill instead of 50 on the CRJs. Depending on how you see it, this either means, 1 more flight for the same number of seats, or less seats to fill on a given number of flights.
-Speed is not a factor on most of the Dash routes.
-Everybody keeps on saying how RJ's svck a$$, yet when an airline actually deploys something different, RJs are suddenly better again? Just shows that whatever DL tries to do, it is wrong, right?

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
``Delta continues to demonstrate to our customers why we are New York's airline with the addition of more new flights to more destinations than any carrier in the market,'' said Bob Cortelyou, Delta's vice president -- Network Planning.

Is he saying DL has the most flights to the most destinations in the NY "market"? I know this has been discussed recently, but I wonder how true that is given CO's presence in the "market".

First things first, they don't say THE or THE #1 airline for NY, just "New York's airline". Not a real comparison, IMHO. And as far as the second part, well, DL is indeed actually adding more destinations than other carriers from NYC. Sure CO is adding destinations as well, but just not at a rate as high as DL. But I guess such slogans are always up for different interpretations  Wink .


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14375 times:

MHT is in the mix as a new city and should be a good market.

While there wasn’t going to be a unique new DL terminal, taking a sizable portion of T-4 was going to come at a high price. Not sure what the options are now but if this stuff works, it will require a lot more gates.

TO the question of whether DL is operating multiple banks, DL has converted its operation at JFK to a full banked operation. When developing a market, a full banked hub makes sense. Once it is large and established, it can become a rolling, unbanked hub. As CO has shown at EWR, you can schedule transatlantic departures over a much larger period than is typically done at JFK. In ATL, DL has its first transatlantic departure at 3.30 pm and the last near 11 pm. You can still get into JFK from the west coast by 3 pm, making 3.30-3.45 pm transatlantic departures possible from JFK. Many Latin flights and flights to Africa or the Middle East as well as to some western European destinations can leave as late as 11 pm so DL can get a lot of utilization out of their current facility. Arrivals from Europe can start as soon as noon and go until 7 pm so you can easily put three banks of transatlantic flights into JFK. DL right now is doing two with many of the foreign carriers operating later than DL.

And if they start popping 777s in there and going to Asia, you can crank that activity up as early as mid to late morning and keep it going long after the sun goes down with returns coming in before the sun comes up the next day (different aircraft than went out the night before) going into early evening.

There is huge potential for Delta at JFK which is why I think their management is committing so much attention to the city.

Long live NYC!


User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14258 times:

Dl will use them to feed the international flights. Does it make more sense to have you passangers for these flights connecting interline from T6 to T2+3 or fly directly to DL and connect out? Keeping the passangers within your system makes more sense.

25 Jetdeltamsy : People prefer jets. Period. Furthermore, Delta will not be able to generate enough additional international feed to sustain these flights. Continenta
26 ANNOYEDFA : Very good for Delta!!! Oh and as for the award winning staff at B6 don't make me laugh. What's so special about the way they hand out their chips?
27 SeeTheWorld : Unless those carriers at JFK are SkyTeam members or independent from other alliances (e.g. Uzbekistan Airways), there isn't much opportunity to conne
28 WorldTraveler : of course you need local traffic and DL will get it. But you are SO wrong if you don't think DL feeds alot of connecting passengers to other carriers
29 Post contains links STT757 : There were in the NY Times Metro Section from '99 or 2000, I might have a clipping of it somewhere buried deep in my closet somewhere. In my opinion
30 AvConsultant : Should my final destination be a B6 city, I would take B6 over a D-8. Unless it's a high yielding market and priced correctly, yes the RJ is well-sui
31 DAL767400ER : Sure would appreciate that, making my own 'master plan' of thos plans through the help of Google Earth, MS Paint and Photoshop just isn't the same :-
32 STT757 : They need a whole new approach in ATL, brand new Terminal and Concourses separate from the current set up. Something fitting of the largest hub in th
33 Sspontak : Delta also has RJ nonstops from Long Island (ISP) to ATL. I think 3 daily.
34 Panamair : At the end of the day, how many people really choose an airline based on the terminal facilities? (just like how many actually know/care about the a/
35 Cmk10 : NYC-RDU is really becoming a saturated market. First AA flew JFK-RDU alone, now B6 and DL are throwing their hats into the ring which compliment DL, A
36 JFKLGANYC : "Something similar to what NWA did in DTW, build their own set-up away from everyone else." Why? They are the whole airport. Besides AirTran, they hav
37 Jrlander : I'm not sure the comparison is really a good one. ATL was the model for most hub airports in the US- including the new terminals at DTW. It is a very
38 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I tend to agree with the following statement: If they didn't do this, someone would be screaming "Delta is so stupid. Instead of giving away the lega
39 Jrlander : btw- does anyone know how Delta plans to handle all these new RJ's and turboprops at JFK? Are there enough stands at the regional gates at T-3? The bu
40 STT757 : You tear down the majority of the 25 year old Gates DL is using now.
41 SESGDL : DL has operated JFK-RDU for years. This is not a new route. Jeremy
42 TokyoNarita : How is Freedom (Mesa)'s reliability these days? It has been known to have some serious reliability issues in the past. Quite frankly, If I was flying
43 Post contains images OttoPylit : Given that the schedules aren't even loaded for DL yet, wouldn't the words "I speculate" go well with your statement? However, this is old news, as t
44 DAL767400ER : ATL is still one of, if not the idel terminal layout. And as far as DL having an own set-up goes, wait for ATL to finally go ahead with the South Ter
45 Post contains images WorldTraveler : Compare ATL to the nightmare which is DFW or ORD or ... in connecting facilities. And if DL did in ATL what NW did in DTW, the concourse would be thre
46 STT757 : DL's plan is basically to copy what CO does, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
47 Post contains images Doug_Or : I won't stop you from bad mouthing Mesa, but don't you worry your pretty littel head about the bags... the Dash can carry 'em, I mean its not like we
48 Cs03 : On the ALB/JFK run, I am glad to have ANY type of aircraft, since we have had zero service since AE quit the route! Prior to that we had Saabs,DH-7s,
49 Congaboy : I admire your optimism for DL, WT, but I think STAR Alliance and oneworld might have a thing or two to do with connections to LH/BA before they consi
50 Post contains images OttoPylit : Because even if you choose to take another carrier across the Atlantic, DL and LH have interline baggage agreements and will connect your bags for yo
51 Post contains images Congaboy : yea, I very much understand interline agreements, Otto...and the convenience of online as well. But i am telling you that as a biz traveller, one of
52 DLAgent : I'm sure you could tender your resigantion if you're so embarrassed. I believe in Delta, and am proud to be working for them.
53 Jrlander : I've never seen RJ's there- I've only seen them at gate 11, and watched them board by bus while I was sitting in the food court at Terminal 3. I've a
54 OttoPylit : The last time I was in JFK(and only been there twice), I flew in on a CR7 and connecting to a Song flight to SEA. We parked in that little area betwe
55 Post contains links and images Jrlander : They have clearly changed this since I was last at JFK in early 2005. I found this photo in the database View Large View MediumPhoto © Matthew I
56 Panamair : Both of you are right...the RJs currently have two regular parking spots. One is the more convenient area between T2 and T3 (boarding gates 17/18) wh
57 SeeTheWorld : If you were even remotely updated and aware of the trends in the past few years, you would realize that your theories above are outdated. One only ha
58 Post contains links and images Airportmanager : I doubt theyll bring the 763, but iiw would be nice. All tohugh they already brought the 752 for tests in UIO. Check this pic out. http://www.planepi
59 DAL767400ER : Nice pic. As far as DL in Ecuador goes, there are few factors to factor in: -763s are freed up from Euro flights anyway. -They have more cargo space
60 WorldTraveler : You know, Seetheworld, your simplistic approach to life is … well to be expected and showing of your ignorance of how the real world operates. Yes,
61 Doug_Or : grow up.
62 WorldTraveler : precisely what I'm challenging Seetheworld to do. There's an adage that says something along the lines of if you're ignorant and keep quiet, no one k
63 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : For Delta (Amtrak in the Sky) The robust O/D markets that are ORD and DFW? It is called grasping at straws... Remember TWA and the Summer of 96? TWA
64 WorldTraveler : I just love it when all the fools come out to defend themselves and each other. That Amtrak terminal in ATL is the most sought after hub on the planet
65 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Less than 10% of B6 passengers connect, most take non stop slights, stated by Neeleman himself in one of the quater results webcast. I think the adde
66 MalpensaSFO : Air Sickness Bags?...Anyone? Huh? Havent been to Asia lately have you?
67 ASApilot : Hey, in the NE, that could be a really good thing!
68 DeltAirlines : Give me ATL over nearly any hub airport in the country (and I've connected through pretty much every major hub save ORD and DEN)...in terms of layout,
69 WorldTraveler : Tell me which Asian airport has even half of the gates ATL has or moves a fraction of the passengers. Yes, and Delta doesn't receive a billion dollar
70 JetBlueNYFL : Oh, so all of a sudden Delta decides to feed long-haul international traffic to JFK from smaller, underserved markets after leaving those customers s
71 PSA727 : Maybe in a ATL vs. DFW match-up, but in design...no way. PIT has a more efficient layout design than ATL...from a terminal connection standpoint to t
72 SESGDL : I hope you mean by ease of O&D passengers flying from DFW, because ATL is a larger O&D market than Dallas/Ft. Worth is. Jeremy
73 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Yes, we all know that you hate Delta. Don't let actual facts get in way of your hatred . You mean underserved airports like BUF, BDL or ROC that are
74 Doug_Or : Not sure why you're worried about whose fault it is, no one blamed DL. We're talking about airports here, and security @ ATL sucks. It might be a pri
75 WorldTraveler : I don't have statistics for security clearance times at ATL but since the airport redesign, I would venture to say that ATL does a far better job of m
76 HVNandrew : By the end of the summer, DL and DL Connection service to the following cities out of JFK: ACA, ALB, AMS, ATH, ATL, AUA, AUS, BCN, BDL, BNA, BOM, BOS
77 WorldTraveler : pretty impressive list, huh? JFK has never seen it that good. I take it you mean RIC and not RID? Some of the cities aren't served daily and others li
78 JetBlueNYFL : Yup, the same underserved BUF an ROC that jetBlue started serving in 2000 to JFK with LOW FARES and a great product. Remember what US Airways and Del
79 Humberside : Do they have the money to?
80 FlyPNS1 : Clearly, you haven't gained a lot of maturity over all those years, since you have to resort to name calling. You'd think somebody with all your supp
81 WorldTraveler : DL has already said they intend to attract financing in order to grow the airline, not just emerge from bankruptcy and sit there. Even if UA did the w
82 Post contains links and images CentPIT : I don't agree! PIT is a world class facility. Partly due to its design. Take a look! http://www.flypittsburgh.com/AboutUsServlet?option=pit_backgroun
83 Post contains images Airportmanager : Thanks. Well, i wouldnt mid the 767 or 757, both are nice,s till, they come at night, but I will see MAJOR delays whe we get foggy nights here, MAJOR
84 ASApilot : Very true.
85 WorldTraveler : I'm not knocking that PIT is a very nice facility and accomplishes what it was designed to do. An X shaped facility could never handle the volume of a
86 DAL767400ER : And??? People were paying those fees that DL and US wanted. They moaned and b!tched and cried, but still, the paid the prices. Matter of opinion. "I
87 Doug_Or : If you don't know waht you're talking about you need to use more qualifiers in the future. If they're using -200s they won't be restricted, If they h
88 PSA727 : I don't think anyone, including myself, is claiming that PIT can accomodate ATL's traffic. I was referring to the claim that ATL is the world's best-d
89 WorldTraveler : Most of ATL's delays are attributable to weather, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. ATL works very well on clear weather days. And, again, keep
90 Subkk : Mumbai never crosses 100 F at its hottest. Subbu
91 JetBlueNYFL : You're right...people were paying those ridiculous unheard of fares on a short hop. And it just wasn't simply fair to the consumer. Many people chose
92 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well that really isn't so correct. If the routes weren't so great for them why would they be up to 5X ROC and 8X BUF and have 3X to SYR if they weren
93 UN_B732 : Yep, JFK-BTV is an EXCELLENT performer for B6. Last I knew they were in the high 80s on that route. -Mr. X
94 JetBluefan1 : JFK-Upstate NY/BTV is actually one of B6's most profitable operations. The flights are constantly full and yield some nice fares, the lowest being $69
95 WorldTraveler : The point w/ the upstate New York cities is that they operate under a completely different business model than the NYC to Florida or the transcon rout
96 Panamair : JFK-ATH is gaining 2 more weekly flights in August and September, operating out of JFK on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Coincidentally, those are the two d
97 ContnlEliteCMH : I don't have the figures, either, but I've flown in and out of some number of airports, and out of ATL about 70 times. I can count on only one finger
98 A330323X : Really? Lehman Brothers just issued a huge research report detailing the profitability of many routes. And here's what they came up with for those B6
99 WorldTraveler : interesting. Do you have a link for the report?
100 Post contains links A330323X : Send me an e-mail to a330@projectbarbell.com, and I'll send you a copy. If anyone else would like a copy of the report, just e-mail me as well. I'd no
101 Lowecur : Research report? Just where did they get the information, from Jetblue? There must be some kind of an asterisk next to this data. Just what does it s
102 JetBluefan1 : Actually ROC has traditionally had the lowest LF of the Upstate cities/BTV. However, the landing fees are similar to BUF. As far as SYR, the landing
103 Post contains images A330323X : From the DOT database. The 141-page research report covers all the major domestic airlines, not just B6. Of course, costs are only half the equation.
104 Post contains images Lowecur : So is this information that we all have access to, or does Lehman pay the DOT? I'm not being a smart guy here, I truly would like to know. Does the D
105 Klwright69 : I went to DL's webiste, I saw nothing about service from JFK to COS. And being in DEN, it is quite unimpressive that DL can't muster enough traction
106 Richierich : I'd be curious to know how many daily passengers fly PWM-BUD or PWM-NCE. But let's be fair, these DL additions are not designed to compete head-to-he
107 SeeTheWorld : Honestly, I have sad news for you WorldTraveller. I know far more about airline routing and airline economics than you do. I will put my postings on
108 RwSEA : It's true, DL still has some gaping holes in their JFK network - specifically DEN, PDX, PHX, DFW, and IAH. It would be nice to see some of these gaps
109 SeeTheWorld : Unfortunately, adding spokes from faraway large western cities to feed a European gateway is not the answer. The reason those flights have not been a
110 WorldTraveler : Yes, SEE, we will agree to disagree. But I have to tell you that if you have done airline consulting and you don't recognize that int'l airlines do in
111 Congaboy : You remain optimistic through out this rock throwing....impressive. It's the only way I think DL makes it, with people believing in its future. If yo
112 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Preferrably Wavy Gravy .
113 HVNandrew : DL has been manic with that SAN route in the past. Who knows if they'll even keep it past the fall.
114 Delta787 : It must be the third or fourth time they have tried this route in the last 5 years. Delta just doesnt want to give up on it.
115 Slider : Great post STW!!! And tremendous response to World Traveler, I might add. Just right on the money. Your post above is precisely what I referenced in
116 HVNandrew : Don't get me wrong - I love the fact that this route is coming back. I fly it at least every other month. But look at the flight times: 6:10 pm out t
117 WorldTraveler : Given the current times, I would doubt very seriously that JFKSAN will be here beyond the fall. There just isn't that much traffic to support a late n
118 MalpensaSFO : So do 99.99% of the airports around the World on a good day.. "Exotic"? Are they adding Bali, Tahiti, Fiji, Samoa, New Caledonia, or Mauritus? News F
119 Klwright69 : Usually I don't write responses like this, but WorldTraveler, some of your posts make me laugh. Do you ever go back and read them before you post the
120 Klwright69 : Thanks again!!, check out the last postings on the EWR-CGN thread WorldTraveler had no idea that CO had a substantial cargo operation in the New York
121 ContnlEliteCMH : Huh? What does CO's bankruptcy have to do with the price of tea on a DL airliner in JFK bound for China? Who's trying to bury the fact that CO's been
122 SeeTheWorld : It's nice to see other people chime in about WT's continuous ridiculous posts. I often wonder the same thing. And trying to have a balanced discussion
123 MalpensaSFO : NEWS FLASH The O/D to Asia from the New York area needs little or no connecting traffic at all. The reason SQ chose EWR was not because of connection
124 WorldTraveler : Oh spare me. DL is all of a sudden the worldwide scurge of the industry but no other airline including CO was before. What does the presidency have to
125 Slider : You're forgetting that this commonality of global air travel is due to smaller twinjets that bypass an old construct of a connecting gateway hub at J
126 ATCT : I wonder what theyre gonna do wit the Extra PIT-JFK. I was a ramp rat with DL in PIT for a few months this year (and little over a year, two years ago
127 SeeTheWorld : MalpensaSFO understands the industry, unlike yourself. You are living in the land of delusion, and as usual you don't address any of the specific evi
128 ContnlEliteCMH : I doubt there is anybody here who thinks that CO wasn't a scourge "back in the day." By all accounts, they were a *horrid* airline in the 1980's. I p
129 SeeTheWorld : It's a pleasure reading your posts. It's people like you that keep me coming back to this site. Thanks.
130 Richierich : Good post. DL certainly has their work cut out for them.
131 DAL767400ER : Never mind my view on the comments of you or WorldTraveler, but "MalpensaSFO understands the industry"? You can't be serious about that. He is just f
132 Post contains links ContnlEliteCMH : I wanted to put a link to a previous thread in my last post, but I couldn't find it. I just stumbled across it by accident. (Go figure!) http://www.ai
133 Panamair : I actually have some faith in the current COO Jim Whitehurst, who is probably being groomed to succeed Jerry Grinstein as CEO. Whitehurst is a charis
134 SeeTheWorld : The post I was referring to showed his level of knowledge in the industry. What I find most frustrating about many people on this sight, particularly
135 PanAm330 : NEWSFLASH You're wrong, once again. Your skewed views have further affected your thoughts, as usual. SQ chose EWR specifically for the possible conne
136 SeeTheWorld : NO THEY DIDN'T! Connections at EWR are minimal and irrelevant to the profitability of the flight. Most of their connections on the EWR-SIN flight are
137 PanAm330 : I beg to differ. While I agree with you, this wasn't the sole reason why. They also did it for connections.
138 SeeTheWorld : Dude, honestly, what is your background on airline route planning and strategic analysis? Your profile says that you are 16 to 20 years old. I think
139 Post contains images CentPIT : The DL loads PIT-JFK aren't the greatest. The average load factor is 56.42%. I imagine that the loads on this route will increase significantly with
140 WorldTraveler : Panamair, we have a couple of arrogant *^(#heads on this board who wouldn't accept TRUTH if it was handed to them on a tablet from God on high. I just
141 JetBlueNYFL : Wow! I'm fairly new to this message board in terms of posting replies (been a silent reader for years), but there is so much tensity on this site...mu
142 WorldTraveler : JetBlue, I'll add you to my list of members to send DL's June monthly financial results to? And you will not be laughing when I resurrect your drivel
143 JetBlueNYFL : Can't wait to see those June numbers! Hopefully they'll still be around by then. I do wish DL the best of luck though...even though they are the wors
144 SESGDL : There's a number of things which are incorrect in your post. Firstly, there is no formal rating of an airline's customer "hatred." In all of the last
145 ArtieFufkin : It's an absolute fact that Delta will offer more destinations from New York City than any other airline. They didn't say New York Market, they didn't
146 ArtieFufkin : See the World It is true that alliances reduced interlining in a major way but not in this case. These markets north of NYC don't really mesh well wit
147 ArtieFufkin : See The World You seem to be crossing the line getting into personal attacks. Could you tone it down a little before you post? The rules of the forum
148 ArtieFufkin : Who cares when CAL's first BK was? Their 2nd bankruptcy eliminated all their debt and gave them the lowest paid legacy employees in the industry going
149 ArtieFufkin : Jetblue I guess I gotta end it with you tonight. You might want to check Jetblue's and Delta's latest Quarterly reports. You will find that after 1x i
150 ArtieFufkin : Word Traveler I think you're on the right track with the Summer profit prediction. Delta lost a mere 5 Million in March less 1x charges and restructur
151 SeeTheWorld : It's pretty simple why EWR works for a hub and JFK doesn't. First, CO developed the airport into a hub over many years where they or their affiliates
152 SeeTheWorld : People in the Northeast, excluding BOS where they have plenty of choices to fly directly to Europe, still have many hub options that will get them al
153 SeeTheWorld : As I said before, DL MUST MAKE AN OPERATING PROFIT, at a minimum this summer, or it's going to be a LONG, COLD WINTER. There is a huge difference bet
154 ArtieFufkin : Huh? What I am suggesting is a "net profit" setting aside charges and restructuring costs. This is a higher hurdle than operating profit less charges
155 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Contact Singapore Airlines sales office in New York, they will contradict your false statement. They will not! In whos dreams? United Airlines has do
156 ArtieFufkin : Malpensa You've basically run a series of "no" "no way" "never"...LOL Back up your financial predictions with meaningul recent numbers. We are talking
157 SeeTheWorld : Well, most people, including WT, have not been clear of their definition of "profit." Thanks for clarifying your definition. If DL makes a net profit
158 SeeTheWorld : Okay, it's time for me to do a mea culpa. I clearly was wrong about Malpensa's view on the airline industry. He is clearly as biased against DL as som
159 MalpensaSFO : Back this up buddy.... Please share the reasons why Delta is going to be rolling in so much money.. I am not the only one on this forum that is fed u
160 SeeTheWorld : Wow! Great comeback! First, where a company is headquartered is not the determining factor of whether an airport is considered a hub. TW was headquar
161 MalpensaSFO : Again, the original post said nothing of "mega".. A hub is a hub.. PPT is a hub for TN, NAN is a hub for FJ.. et al..
162 Delta787 : Yet, they still continue to lose money. They had a smaller number of them to retire, so it made sense to drop them first. Why dont you read Delta's t
163 Post contains images Panamair : Actually, it's kinda fun having MalpensaSFO on here providing comic relief once in a while, amidst all this back-and-forth between WT and STW....oh bo
164 SeeTheWorld : Call it whatever you want to call it. The proof is in its profitability. For that, we will have to wait and see.
165 SeeTheWorld : My comment on DL's profitability was "before special items." In other words, "excluding special items" I expect that they will make an operating prof
166 WorldTraveler : Your last couple posts are what I expect of you, See! Way to go! I don't expect you or anyone else to jump onboard the "new DL" bandwagon w/o a fair d
167 ArtieFufkin : The small number of analyst covering Delta have them breaking even in the 2nd Quarter. (It would fall then that the 3rd Q would even be better) The co
168 SeeTheWorld : Honestly, WT, I think DL is in a tough situation, and I have felt from the beginning that their international strategy, while logical, is too aggress
169 SeeTheWorld : I know a lot of airlines that would love to make a "paultry" positive profit margin. And, if only the profit margin were the difference between CO an
170 ArtieFufkin : It is aggresive but the idea is that Delta will have costs so much lower than other airlines that they can weather a lower RASM enviroment. We talking
171 ArtieFufkin : What is the other difference? I'm lost.
172 Panamair : I'm not so optimistic about Q2 mostly because of the pilot strike scare that may have dampened April and possibly May. While overall April traffic re
173 SeeTheWorld : You certainly are. If only there was just "the other difference" between CO and DL. I'll name a few off the top of my head: 1) Strength of balance sh
174 ArtieFufkin : There is no substantial difference in their balance sheet. DL has 2.4 Bil in unrestricted cash. CO has 2.0 Bil. Almost the same in comparison to reven
175 SeeTheWorld : It's useless to debate with someone who refuses to accept the fact that the sky is not orange. If you think CO and DL have comparable balance sheets
176 ArtieFufkin : see the world All I asked was that you back up what you say? Really I gave you my numbers. CO unrestricted cash 68% of 1Q Rev. DL 65%. Whooo hoo! Disa
177 SeeTheWorld : A balance sheet consists of three basic parts: 1) Assets (of which unrestricted cash is one part) 2) Liabilities 3) Shareholders' equity With all due
178 ArtieFufkin : With all due respect that's not the point. You said Read in context that implies Delta has some "other" disadantage moving forward. Your point somehow
179 ArtieFufkin : Well there went my quest for "expert" knowledge. Moving along. Still looking for the "morale/labor relations/customer satisfaction" quotient as it rel
180 WorldTraveler : Artie, good to have you around. As for the morale boost, DL clearly doesn't want to report a profit right now although if you back out the revenue and
181 MalpensaSFO : So is the talk true that Delta Airlines is going to move the 777 from ATL to JFK to operate the JFK-NRT nonstop, and ATL-NRT one stop?
182 WorldTraveler : I am betting that by next spring, DL will operate on the 777 JFKNRT, ATLNRT, and ATLTLV. They could fill in the rest w/ either TLV or JNB service from
183 Post contains images SESGDL : Yes, DL has no brand loyalty. They only have one of the two biggest FF programs by number of members for no reason. Same could be said for any airlin
184 ContnlEliteCMH : Who wants to bet that if DL turns a profit (operating or net), Mr. SFO here won't stipulate to "profit is profit." Nope, he'll have all sorts of reas
185 WorldTraveler : truth may be evasive for some people but those who seek it can always find it.
186 STT757 : That's hilarious, I think FA's would rather have their pay and retirement packages protected then to feel more fashionable. Look at WN's Flight atten
187 Post contains images JFKLGANYC : "Could DL grow JFK into a full-fledged hub? Theoretically, they could. Practically, probably not. They don't have the physical space; " More space tha
188 STT757 : JFK has more space than EWR but EWR handles more flights, also EWR's three Terminals have more gates than JFK's 8 or 9 combined! Im going to call you
189 Richierich : Can somebody please euthanize this thread?
190 JFKLGANYC : "also EWR's three Terminals have more gates than JFK's 8 or 9 combined!" Good! Now I'm gonna call you on that ridiculous statement. JFK currently has
191 Panamair : Since we're talking about DL at JFK, here are some interesting load factor numbers for DL's transatlantic flights for the period Jan-Nov 2005 (yes, I
192 FlyPNS1 : Doesn't necessarily mean that they have a lot of customer loyalty. You'll notice that historically DL has pumped a lot of capacity onto low-yield rou
193 Post contains images STT757 : So we will go with that number because that's now, not 3 years from now. Wrong, Terminal C has 68 gates you can count yourself. Terminal A has 29 gat
194 JFKLGANYC : Oh STT, give me a freakin break! You want to count double gates in Terminal C???? OK. I'm sorry, at JFK we actually use our double gates for widebodie
195 Post contains links and images STT757 : How many of the orignally planned 55 gates at AA's JFK terminal were for Regional Jets, 18, 25?.. CO in 2004 consolidated Regional Jet operations in
196 JFKLGANYC : Dude . . . CO does NOT have a 68 gate terminal. They are parking 2 aircraft at a gate that was designed for one. Like I said, if you want to count tha
197 Post contains images STT757 : Two different flights are leaving from two different gates, 101 A to Buffalo and 101 B to Rochester for example. It's not the same gate, it's never i
198 WorldTraveler : That is pure speculative rubbish. You simply cannot logically say (which may be exactly where you get stopped) that DL has less loyalty than another
199 FlyPNS1 : I never said that. I simply corrected a previous poster who claimed that DL's vast size means they have a lot of loyalty. They can be just as loyal,
200 JFKLGANYC : "The difference is those Double gates DL uses at JFK cannot handle two flights at once, CO uses the gates A and B to handle two different flights. The
201 STT757 : That's absurd, there's no Terminal either current or being designed that can handle a hub. CO has 68 (yes 68) gates at Terminal C 19 of which can han
202 AirCanada014 : I don't see it as tough choice I go with the 320 over DLs flight anyday.
203 Klwright69 : This thread needs to be archived, it is getting out of control.....
204 JFKLGANYC : "EWR has 33 nonstop flights to Chicago on AA, CO, FL and UAL, many of these flights arrive and depart with nearly identical schedules. And none of the
205 Post contains images CentPIT : I was wrong, DL will be adding a fourth daily PIT-JFK frequency. 4 daily CRJs! The round trip fare will be $138.01! This is good for PIT! I think I w
206 MalpensaSFO : STT757 are you aware of all the "double-gates" at JFK? STT757 would you like to tell Delta Airlines, American Airlines, and JetBlue that? STT757 is t
207 STT757 : Do the JFK double gates handle two flights at once?.. If those are hubs, then what is CO's EWR operation?.. DL has 20 something gates, AA will have 2
208 DAL767400ER : So you are saying that just because DL, AA and B6 each have under 30 gates that they can't have a hub at JFK? And FYI, DL has 26 gates, 2-3 of which
209 STT757 : That's what I've been trying to tell JFKLGANYC.
210 RJpieces : Shame that it was finals time for me as this thread unfolded!!! Looks like I would have enjoyed it, but here are a few observations of the last few po
211 United_fan : I was wondering when DL was going to add ROC-JFK flights . Especially with all thier Int'l flights out of there . Saves people from flying to ATL to g
212 Post contains images OttoPylit : Now you know the A.net KGB would never think of something like that. Threads going out of control keeps them happy, while threads that follow a main
213 MalpensaSFO : You guys and your use of the word hub... Mega Hub World Hub You would think you are 5 year old boys playing with toy soldiers. Get over it and try no
214 Klwright69 : Ok so this thread is out of control, but I'll add to it. Malpensa? Do you call Sacramento, Long Beach, and Burbank major markets from the NYC area? Y
215 MalpensaSFO : JFK dominates service to LAX, SFO, SMF, LGB, BUR... The thing a lot of people on this forum either are forgetting and/or want to ignore is that JFK i
216 RJpieces : With all due respect, you are very new on A.net...There is a clear distinction between fortress hubs like ATL and EWR and focus stations or whatever
217 MalpensaSFO : Ha Ha... Now Fortress A Fortress would be Dallas/DFW... of which EWR is not.. LGA/JFK - Same Metropolitan Area.. 20 minutes apart PHL/EWR - Different
218 SESGDL : Well, EWR's not a fortress but it's getting close. I would consider fortress hubs places where a carrier dominates and has 500 or more flights. Examp
219 Klwright69 : Amen to RJPieces..... EWR vs. JFK is a favorite topic at this site. But what the hell, I'll get the ball rolling again. This passage doesn't even make
220 WorldTraveler : I surely thought 2 days away would mean an end to this thread but since it keeps going, so will I. FLYPNS1, There is absolutely no evidence that DL's
221 RJpieces : I make it from my house near JFK to PHL in just over two hours...Do you even live in the NYC area? What I meant was that you can't view LGA and JFK a
222 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : You might want to tell that to COO Jim Whitehurst who stood in front of a group of employees and customers and said that DL was failing because it fa
223 SESGDL : Duh! He's telling them what they want to hear. But that's clearly not true. I don't recall DL having the greatest service in 1999 or 2000, but they s
224 FlyPNS1 : What about the hundreds of employees there...particularly the many FA's who were at the event? I don't think he was telling them what they wanted to
225 WorldTraveler : I don't have the transcript but somehow I doubt that "failing" was used in the context of financial failure. "failing" has broad implications and whil
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