Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12202 times:
The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] will deliver the first 787-9 Dreamliner to Air New Zealand in December 2010. Boeing and ANZ, along with engine-maker Rolls-Royce, held a ceremonial signing today in which ANZ converted its original order for four 787-8 airplanes to four 787-9 airplanes.
"Being the first airline to introduce the 787-9 aircraft will enable Air New Zealand to provide a superior, first-to-market experience for our customers and is a most desirable position for us to be in given the unprecedented sales success of the Boeing 787 model," said Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8746 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12160 times:
Wow little old Air New Zealand as the launch customer for a plane. Who would have ever thought? It sure seems like they like Boeing for their long haul fleet, and Boeing is working hard to keep them as a customer.
I wonder if this will be a signal for more confirmed to come out. I would expect at least some current orders will be for the 787-900. It is just interesting that Air New Zealand will get the first plane. They should get some publicity out of this at least when it shows up to airshows and stuff in their livery.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26718 posts, RR: 83 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12101 times:
Well the 787-9 had 44 orders before NZ's conversion, so this brings the total to 48.
LCAL of China was the first order for the 787-9 (12/31/05), however NZ placed their original four frame 787-8 order on 8/25/04, so I guess that is why Boeing is giving them the "launch customer" honorific and letting them have the first frames.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11896 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 3): So does this free up 4 2008 787-8 production slots?
I believe Air NZ's original delivery slots were for 2010 anyway, so no, I'm guessing it wont free up any slots. THough they do talk of the possibility of leasing a few -8s before that time. Pity they didn't increase their order at the same time. Though I expect they are waiting for the -10 to be officially launched so they can replace the leased 772s from 2012 or so.
I assume this is the HGW version or is that the only version that is now being offered ? If they go 3,3,3 with the seating they will have a seat count about the same as the -200ER. The cabin length is only 2' 4" shorter.
Looking at one of Widebodyphotog's tables , the 787-9HGW will carry about 86% of the load of the -200ER using about 72% of the fuel. Quite an advantage I would say on those routes where the lesser payload is sufficient.
GeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 868 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11522 times:
Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.
Can't ANYONE fly an aircraft that shows a modicum of originality in its livery? (AF and DL I can forgive; they both have the most beautiful tails in the skies; the rest of the aircraft, well, feh!)
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Flyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 936 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11455 times:
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9): Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.
NZ is about to unveil a new livery in June poss. I understand from other threads that it is a tail change and the removal of the Pacific Wave but I'm not sure if anything is replacing it so maybe the tail will make up for the all white tube.
Aerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 735 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11344 times:
I always thought NZ would initially take delivery of 787-8s and then order 787-10s, with the -10s replacing 772s.... oh well there goes that theory. Guess they will just use 787-9s across the board rather than a divided -8s and -10s fleet.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11306 times:
Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 12): I always thought NZ would initially take delivery of 787-8s and then order 787-10s, with the -10s replacing 772s.... oh well there goes that theory. Guess they will just use 787-9s across the board rather than a divided -8s and -10s fleet
They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?
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Aerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 735 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11141 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13): They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?
Because they only own 4, they lease the other 4... and the 787-10 wont be available until 2012 at the earliest, by which time the 777's will be 6 or 7 years old.
replacement for 767-300ER
expect further 787 firming of orders from NZ, probably in the area of 8x 788 and as mentioned elsewhere 787-10 to replace the 4 leased 772ER.
Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 8): I assume this is the HGW version or is that the only version that is now being offered ? If they go 3,3,3 with the seating they will have a seat count about the same as the -200ER. The cabin length is only 2' 4" shorter.
Looking at one of Widebodyphotog's tables , the 787-9HGW will carry about 86% of the load of the -200ER using about 72% of the fuel. Quite an advantage I would say on those routes where the lesser payload is sufficient.
NZ generally doesn't like sardine tin configurations in Y, expect 2-4-2 seating(8 across) rather than 3-3-3 (9 across) with 32-33" pitch. NZ is more interested in longer range for its a/c (all its 767s were ER versions) so yes HGW if it is still an option rather than being the only version would be a high probability. 787-10 will operate the routes that require more capacity... NZ has options for these.
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9): Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.
Can't ANYONE fly an aircraft that shows a modicum of originality in its livery? (AF and DL I can forgive; they both have the most beautiful tails in the skies; the rest of the aircraft, well, feh!)
NZ has had this scheme for 10 years and many people around the world consider it to be one of the nicest schemes around! It is however being replaced as we speak.
Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 14): Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13):
They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?
Because they only own 4, they lease the other 4... and the 787-10 wont be available until 2012 at the earliest, by which time the 777's will be 6 or 7 years old.
Which is not very old but it is about the time the a/c will need a major D check so it is a good time to move the a/c on to another operator (there is still high demand for used 772ERs) perhaps NZ will even move all of them off by 2013 (as the 787-10 is launched in 2012) leaving NZ with a longhaul fleet of 787-9, 787-10, 747-8 (or Y3 if Boeing brings this project forward).
WorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11061 times:
Quoting SNATH (Reply 10): I thought it was AC that first ordered the B787-9???
According to Boeing press release, they were. But the press release states that "The order is subject to several conditions including final documentation. The companies expect to finalize the agreement by mid-year." That still should have beat LCAL's date of 12/31/05. Maybe when they firmed up the deal they went straight -8's. Straight -8's is what wikipedia shows for what it's worth.
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1774 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11035 times:
Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter): Air New Zealand is a Member of Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.
Bloody Hell, i saw your name on it and i thought "wait for the singapore logo, picture or mention of singapore airlines" sure enough......
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 10969 times:
Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 16): Maybe when they firmed up the deal they went straight -8's. Straight -8's is what wikipedia shows for what it's worth.
why does everyone look to wiki when boeing has the information in their order books on the website?
Air Canada has only booked 787-8s, 14 of them.
They never said the INITIAL order would be for 788s, but that it would be part of the options and purchase rights.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 10901 times:
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17): Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Air New Zealand is a Member of Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.
Bloody Hell, i saw your name on it and i thought "wait for the singapore logo, picture or mention of singapore airlines" sure enough......
well it backfired for me - his use of "Limited" rather than "Ltd" actually made me think at first glance he was rubbishing the programme
ie
I read it as "SQ's limited FF programme"
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
I like it. I know when I see his name there will be something about SQ in his posts. At least he is upfront about his bias!
[Edited 2006-05-12 09:06:46]
25 AirEMS: Do airlines that launch aircraft also launch new liveries when that aircraft is delivered? Just curious Fly & Work Safe -Carl
26 NZ1: Yes I did, but it was too hot a potatoe to reveal on here before the official release. I hope you understand. I will say though, that this isn't the
29 Zvezda: That's not a very nice thing to write, is it? What's wrong with confirmation from a second source? Why belittle someone who is apparently trying to b
30 777ER: I don't know why you said that because NZ1 is a very respected member on this forum and is trust worthy with his info. Your comment was totally out o
31 Atmx2000: NZ1 is the only person on his respected users list. I would say he actually was thinking you were insulting NZ1.
32 Zkpilot: oops I made a typo there and was too late to be able to edit it... should read "8x 789" not 8x 788... NZ is however still looking at at least leasing
33 SunriseValley: This change to the 787-9 adds about 20% more payload over the -8 ,but not range . In fact the range of the -9 is less than the -200ER with max. paylo
34 Zkpilot: where did you get that info from??? Boeings website lists the 777-200ER as having a max range of 7730nm the 787-9 has a max range of 8800nm... the 78
36 Flyer88: Yeah this is what I got when I looked at the boeing website. Both aircrafts (B777ER and 787) can do AKL to YVR non stop easily.
37 777ER: Yes I accept that, and if that was the case then I apologize for any mis-understanding
38 NZFan: is it me or does that tail looks bigger than the ones from the official pics from the boeing website?
39 NZ107: Fingers crossed they will get more and fly to these destinations.. And beat AC to get the AKL-YVR route. They need more, especially if they only orde
40 Atmx2000: Not true. The 787-9 data in Boeing's brochure is for the old 508K lbs MTOW variant rather than the current 540K lbs variant, which has a range of 860
41 Zkpilot: YVR, ORD, JFK are the 3 preferred direct services that NZ is looking at. YVR is the most likely in the short term as it is unlikely to cannibalise AK
42 Flyer88: Just off the topic abit. I was just looking in Carina and see that for the month of AUG TG has reduced their daily flight into AKL to 6 operating ever
43 NZ107: I remember something when NZ first ordered the 787 and said something about helping with the building of the 787. Now that one of the 772's they were
44 SunriseValley: I pay only limited attention to Boeing's tables. Widebodyphotog's tables are of much more practical value. Go to the following links and check the ra
45 777ER: Back when the DC10 was only a paper plane, NZ was the first launch customer and was the first airline to receive the DC10
46 SunriseValley: Perhaps you are referring to the -30 version of the DC10 ?
47 Zvezda: Correct. Introduction of a HGW B787-10 is dependant on three things: 1) availability of suitable engines, 2) development of a two-wheel center bogey
49 Zkpilot: " target=_blank>http://theaviationspecialist.com/300...e.gif um we're talking about the 787-9 here..... and not the original -9 either... the new one
50 SunriseValley: read my post more carefully. I referred to the deficiency in range at max. payload of the original 787-9 and thus by inference I was implying that th
51 Koruman: Dallas-Fort Worth didn't work before, and is off the agenda for NZ as a South Pacific airline. It will just be YVR and ORD. JFK is pushing it, range-w
52 Zkpilot: Looks like you're talking about the 787-10 there in standard or HGW forms.. Doesn't look that way, perhaps you should infer a little more clearly nex
53 DAYflyer: Thank you, I never knew that! Ya learn something new everyday!
54 Stitch: It does offer one the opportunity, if they so wish. I saw NZ's latest 772ER tooling around Everett the other day on a test flight and she was in the
55 SunriseValley: sorry Zkpilot, didn't mean to be "snippy".
56 Zkpilot: Yes, this has been discussed in other posts, but basically NZ didn't ask Boeing to hold off on the painting of ZK-OKE until the new paint scheme came
57 Scouseflyer: You make it sound so easy! But it would be very impressive to have a plane that could truly fly to anywhere in the world either way!
58 SunriseValley: Just a thought, this must be pissing the QF "flacks" off no end since it was on QF's initiative that the 787-9HGW was offered.big grin[Edited 2006-05-
59 Zvezda: Even a 620,000 lbs MTOW B787-10ER would not have 11,000nm range with a commercially viable payload. AKL-LHR non-stop would best be flown eastbound on
60 WorldXplorer: I also linked the Boeing Press Release. Geesh, a little up tight are we? The press release states that it was mix of -8's and -9's but does not speci
61 N328KF: At some point between the AC widebody "cancellation" and reinstatement.
62 Ikramerica: But you didn't link the boeing orders page. Just a press release from a long time ago. Wiki, while a fun resource, is not the place to look for this
63 N328KF: Listen, I appreciate what you say most of the time, but I take issue with these comments. I have gone to great pains to try to ensure that the Wikipe
64 HAVIK747: Just arrived home on NZ8 AKL-SFO ... in Business Premier ...great flight ... crew ... great aircraft .... What is the rumour that the Koru symbol is g
66 ZK-NBT: Good to hear you had a great flight. The Koru isn't going anywhere, just a change in the background colour for the tail.
67 HAVIK747: Thanks!!! ZK-NBT .... head back next week SFO-AKL-PER hope the flights are as good! Does NZ name their aircraft as they did when the TE instead of NZ
68 WorldXplorer: Did you even read my orginal post!? I am quoting the BOEING press release. I am making the point that Boeing told the world they ordered a mix of -8'
69 777ER: The Koru is staying but the background is changing to greenstone/limestone, forget which one right now Last year NZ started re-naming its B744 fleet,
70 NZ767: No. American Airlines was the launch customer for the original version, the series 10 in 1971. Swissair was the launch customer for the series 30.
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