PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 73 Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8790 times:
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Japan Airlines new President has confirmed that JAL is unlikely to buy the A380 as they wish to stay with their fleet plan of operating smaller models.
May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Japan Airlines Corp., which operates the nation's biggest aircraft fleet, said it is unlikely to buy Airbus SAS A380 airplanes, because the aircraft doesn't fit into its strategy of using smaller planes.
But he doesn't entirely rule out a purchase either
``If our rivals do well using the plane to offer luxury service to passengers, we'll have another look.''
Thorben From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 2935 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8765 times:
I can only laugh about this. They have 72 747s in their fleet and 8 773As. They will replace the older jumbos with 773ERs, but how can he talk of "using smaller aircraft" there??
Probably just a tactic to get a lower price from Airbus for the A380. For routes to the US and to LHR and FRA the A380 is just the right thing for them.
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A380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8693 times:
Airbus should give exclusivity for 10 years to the first Japanese Airline which buys the A380. JAL's president would then stop his useless comments.
What he is really saying is: "we really don't want to participate in the success of the A380, but if it is a success, we'll be forced to join". We already knew that.
CHRISBA777ER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 4479 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8693 times:
Thorben From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 2935 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8693 times:
Quoting Tifoso (Reply 3): Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
They will replace the older jumbos with 773ERs, but how can he talk of "using smaller aircraft" there??
By using two smaller aircraft instead of one larger one?
My point is that they have masses of the biggest planes currently in service. How can he seriously say their plans are to use smaller planes?
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Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 2400 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8677 times:
Quoting Sangas (Reply 2): They'll have to do better than the test cabin on MSN002 we saw earlier this week.
What do you mean, that the cabin wasn't set out to be luxuroius?
That's 13 on order in total. Thus my statement about add-on orders. Thorben, I note you wrote 773A not 773ER, thus my reference to 773ERs for Long Haul and Domestic
Quoting Thorben (Reply 1): They have 72 747s in their fleet
As they've signed up for the 747BCF program, they'll continue to convert some of these to freighters when they need. So the larger Airplanes will remain in the fleet, albeit cargo or even PAX.
I slightly disagree sir. His predecessor ruled it out entirely, at least Mr Nishimatsu has not entirely ruled it out. Just being an optimist sir.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 1): Probably just a tactic to get a lower price from Airbus for the A380
There's a flip side to that coin. By not entirely ruling it out, perhaps it's just a tactic to get Boeing to lower the price on the 748i to replace some of the 72 in service you've mentioned
Atmx2000 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4574 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8602 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 6): My point is that they have masses of the biggest planes currently in service. How can he seriously say their plans are to use smaller planes?
With Japan's population decreasing, fragmentation of Japan's international traffic amongst several airports, and with new smaller long range planes enabling more airlines to enter the transpacific market, the NRT hub will become less important. And with Japanese operating costs being high, Japanese airlines have to be careful about taking carrying more marginal customers in the back of the plane.
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Sangas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7): Quoting Sangas (Reply 2):
They'll have to do better than the test cabin on MSN002 we saw earlier this week.
What do you mean, that the cabin wasn't set out to be luxuroius?
Perhaps we'll see something somewhat more imaginative on MSN007 when that test cabin debuts. Otherwise I don't understand the test stategy, why test and certifiy more of the same old thing if the goal is to bring an unprecedented product to market?
LTBEWR From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8521 posts, RR: 16 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8478 times:
Why should JAL have more types and brands of aircraft? Isn't it good airline mangement to use the fewest models and only 1 brand of aircraft? The 747, 777 and other Boeing aircraft meet their current and future anticipated needs. Boeing has accomindated JAL with specialized models (short haul/high pax capacity). Boeing currently makes and is expanding component manufacturing in Japan - not Airbus. Yes, they may tease with Airbus to get a better deal with Boeing, but I suspect they will continue to be 'all Boeing' for the foressable future.
Jonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8375 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8): By not entirely ruling it out, perhaps it's just a tactic to get Boeing to lower the price on the 748i to replace some of the 72 in service you've mentioned
So then he would be buying bigger planes than what he currently has.
Phaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8375 times:
With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time. In addition, not every airline is too keen to order a plane that hasn't even entered the market yet.
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Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23189 posts, RR: 59 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8315 times:
MidnightMike From United States, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8299 times:
Quoting Phaeton (Reply 13): With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time. In addition, not every airline is too keen to order a plane that hasn't even entered the market yet.
Why? JAL has no probems with slots in Japan or in any other market.....
Naritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 360 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8193 times:
Japanese airlines will not buy Airbus plain and simple. They will buy whatever aircraft so long as it's a Boeing. I am simplifying it here but the gist of it is that in Japan they will only buy Boeing and that's a fact. It has nothing to do with what the airlines need or which product is better. So long as the Boeings are relatively close in performance and price, it will be Boeing.
Don't take this wrong, especially Americans here, but Japan sells a lot of products to the US but the only thing Japan can buy from Americans of significant value is airplanes. American products lack quality for the Japanese market. So to reduce the trade deficit Japan buys military gear and Boeings.
Firget the A380, it will never be owned by the Japanese. The 747-8 is a good enough substitute and it's a Boeing.
Airzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 901 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8175 times:
Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 17): Japanese airlines will not buy Airbus plain and simple. They will buy whatever aircraft so long as it's a Boeing.
I disagree. I've heard straight from JAL's and ANA's mouth that they will never order a widebody airplane that they can't leverage both domestically and internationally. They are many reasons why they can't use the A380 domestically, (airports can't handle it being the biggest). So no point ordering the A380 for international service with such a small sub fleet.
Naritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 360 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8159 times:
Quoting Airzim (Reply 18): They are many reasons why they can't use the A380 domestically, (airports can't handle it being the biggest).
You may disagree if you wish but that's an absolute fact. Your post is wrong because Narita and KIX can handle the A380. That aircraft is not designed for smaller airports anyway.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 48 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8143 times:
Quoting Phaeton (Reply 13): With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time.
In a time frame of 5-10 years, there will be even more bullet trains in Japan that can go even faster, and are less of a hassle to take than a plane and enduring all the checks at the airport. Shinkansen will only get stronger as a competitor to JAL, and the airlines themselves are likely to add more p2p routes with all the new airports opening up. Realistically, the only 2 markets where JAL could do with the A380 are NRT-LAX and NRT-LHR, and I strongly doubt that they would add a whole new plane type just for 2 routes.
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