PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89 Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12992 times:
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Japan Airlines new President has confirmed that JAL is unlikely to buy the A380 as they wish to stay with their fleet plan of operating smaller models.
May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Japan Airlines Corp., which operates the nation's biggest aircraft fleet, said it is unlikely to buy Airbus SAS A380 airplanes, because the aircraft doesn't fit into its strategy of using smaller planes.
But he doesn't entirely rule out a purchase either
``If our rivals do well using the plane to offer luxury service to passengers, we'll have another look.''
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12804 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 6): My point is that they have masses of the biggest planes currently in service. How can he seriously say their plans are to use smaller planes?
With Japan's population decreasing, fragmentation of Japan's international traffic amongst several airports, and with new smaller long range planes enabling more airlines to enter the transpacific market, the NRT hub will become less important. And with Japanese operating costs being high, Japanese airlines have to be careful about taking carrying more marginal customers in the back of the plane.
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Sangas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12734 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7): Quoting Sangas (Reply 2):
They'll have to do better than the test cabin on MSN002 we saw earlier this week.
What do you mean, that the cabin wasn't set out to be luxuroius?
Perhaps we'll see something somewhat more imaginative on MSN007 when that test cabin debuts. Otherwise I don't understand the test stategy, why test and certifiy more of the same old thing if the goal is to bring an unprecedented product to market?
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12680 times:
Why should JAL have more types and brands of aircraft? Isn't it good airline mangement to use the fewest models and only 1 brand of aircraft? The 747, 777 and other Boeing aircraft meet their current and future anticipated needs. Boeing has accomindated JAL with specialized models (short haul/high pax capacity). Boeing currently makes and is expanding component manufacturing in Japan - not Airbus. Yes, they may tease with Airbus to get a better deal with Boeing, but I suspect they will continue to be 'all Boeing' for the foressable future.
Phaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12577 times:
With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time. In addition, not every airline is too keen to order a plane that hasn't even entered the market yet.
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MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12501 times:
Quoting Phaeton (Reply 13): With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time. In addition, not every airline is too keen to order a plane that hasn't even entered the market yet.
Why? JAL has no probems with slots in Japan or in any other market.....
Naritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12395 times:
Japanese airlines will not buy Airbus plain and simple. They will buy whatever aircraft so long as it's a Boeing. I am simplifying it here but the gist of it is that in Japan they will only buy Boeing and that's a fact. It has nothing to do with what the airlines need or which product is better. So long as the Boeings are relatively close in performance and price, it will be Boeing.
Don't take this wrong, especially Americans here, but Japan sells a lot of products to the US but the only thing Japan can buy from Americans of significant value is airplanes. American products lack quality for the Japanese market. So to reduce the trade deficit Japan buys military gear and Boeings.
Firget the A380, it will never be owned by the Japanese. The 747-8 is a good enough substitute and it's a Boeing.
Airzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12377 times:
Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 17): Japanese airlines will not buy Airbus plain and simple. They will buy whatever aircraft so long as it's a Boeing.
I disagree. I've heard straight from JAL's and ANA's mouth that they will never order a widebody airplane that they can't leverage both domestically and internationally. They are many reasons why they can't use the A380 domestically, (airports can't handle it being the biggest). So no point ordering the A380 for international service with such a small sub fleet.
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12345 times:
Quoting Phaeton (Reply 13): With the Japanese market currently picking up again, airlines in Japan will probably need some A380 capacity in five to ten years time.
In a time frame of 5-10 years, there will be even more bullet trains in Japan that can go even faster, and are less of a hassle to take than a plane and enduring all the checks at the airport. Shinkansen will only get stronger as a competitor to JAL, and the airlines themselves are likely to add more p2p routes with all the new airports opening up. Realistically, the only 2 markets where JAL could do with the A380 are NRT-LAX and NRT-LHR, and I strongly doubt that they would add a whole new plane type just for 2 routes.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12285 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 21): But the 747-8 is not a good substitute for the A380. It is a derivative of a 40 years old plane, has the potential to be as successful as the 764, which even JAL and ANA did not buy.
Yup, those A380s are selling in HUGE numbers nowadays, aren't they?
What's your intention in trying to start an A vs B flamefest may I ask?
I'm neutral, like both A and B a/c (except the A320) So I just wonder why people always try and when it comes to A and B.
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