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How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?  
User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Was checking out the pictures of the new livery for Go! on this site, and saw that the aircraft picture was taken in PHX. It then occured to me, "how is this thing going to make it to Hawaii?". Looking up the stats here on airliners.net, I found the following:

100 - High speed cruise 851km/h (459kt), typical cruising speed 786km/h (424kt). Range with max payload at long range cruising speed with reserves 1815km (980nm).
200LR - Speeds same. Range with max payload at long range cruising speed and reserves over 3713km (2005nm).

The distance from LAX is 2563...what's the trick?


"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12876 times:

My guess would be in-cabin fuel tanks as QF did with their 717s.


PHX based
User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

Maybe they will fly from SFO, which is closer (you check it out - true!). The ranges that you are quoting are for normal operations - a flight with nothing but two pilots and some extra fuel will have longer legs.

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12809 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
in-cabin fuel tanks


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User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 2):
Maybe they will fly from SFO, which is closer (you check it out - true!).

Yea, you're right...I have 2395 miles. So empty, with extra tanks, and slightly shorter hop, they make it. The installation and de-installation has to be rather costly, considering the down-time...and multiplied by what, maybe 10 aircraft?



"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12682 times:

Quoting Congaboy (Thread starter):
"how is this thing going to make it to Hawaii?"

Maybe they can hire NASA to strap them to the top of their 747 space shuttle hauler?

:D



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User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12591 times:

I think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.

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User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 5):



Quoting WJ (Reply 6):

Boy, I can tell it's a Friday....good ones!



"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting Congaboy (Reply 7):
Boy, I can tell it's a Friday....good ones!

Well, my next thought was...

"They can call Patrone, he'll gitter done!"

 Smile



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12405 times:

HA, AQ, and WP use ferry tanks inside the fuselage to bring their inter-island fleet to Hawaii, as shown in the photo above. The seats are shipped separately.


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User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12402 times:

You rang?

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Joe!


User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12315 times:

Quoting L1329II (Reply 10):

LOL! Thanks L1329II! I needed that!

 Silly



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User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12149 times:

I think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.

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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3654 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11749 times:
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Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 9):
The seats are shipped separately.

Actually, the seats are still on the aircraft. They flip and pile them on another row of seats, just like this:


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Only when they fly out for heavy maintenance checks do they remove the seats from the aircraft.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

HA had the seats placed in the cargo pits during delivery flights. They were never shipped separately, IIRC.


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User currently offlineMlglaw From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

In pieces, by container ship.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10272 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
My guess would be in-cabin fuel tanks as QF did with their 717s.

Actually, the Impulse/Qantaslink 717s took the long way to Australia, flying hops up the west coast of North America, across the Bering Strait, and down Asia to Australia.


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

One word.


Pontoons!



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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

The last word I heard was that this coming week, the first aircraft will ferry to Hawaii via SFO (refueling at Signature Aviation). The following week will be the next 2 and the week after will have the last 2 (for a total of 5). And yes they will have auxiliary fuel tanks installed.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx......this way, they aircraft will arrive in Hawaii by 1000am the next morning, guaranteed.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx......this way, they aircraft will arrive in Hawaii by 1000am the next morning, guaranteed.

LMAO! That is funny!

What if the tanks failed? Please tell me they have the no smoking sign on during the flight??!!

I guess it would be a bad day if there was an onboard fire. YIKES!!



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 5):
Maybe they can hire NASA to strap them to the top of their 747 space shuttle hauler?



Quoting WJ (Reply 6):
think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.



Quoting 4everRC (Reply 8):
"They can call Patrone, he'll gitter done!"



Quoting Dl757md (Reply 17):
Pontoons!



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx

Dang, I thought perhaps they'd have CPT Kirk just 'beam them over'.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3606 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 16):
Actually, the Impulse/Qantaslink 717s took the long way to Australia, flying hops up the west coast of North America, across the Bering Strait, and down Asia to Australia.

Yeah I was thinking of HA's birds as in the pictures.



PHX based
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6744 times:


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Those tanks look like they are barely narrow enough to get through the door...

Cheers



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6744 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 23):
Those tanks look like they are barely narrow enough to get through the door...

Cheers

Good point. They look too long to get even into the cabin. Does the 717 have tail stairs? Excuse me not knowing the 717 all that well, as we don't ever see them here in the NW.



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25 Ha763 : I have personally seen the tanks at the HA maintenance hangar and they are not that big. They are close to the width of the L1 door, but are only abo
26 USXguy : that is definitely going to be a NONSMOKING flight!
27 Congaboy : Thanks for the info...and look what happened on this thread, we actually had a good time! Great humor!
28 L1329II : Ok... I have a really stupid question but since this thread has started I just have to ask. If there are any single engine planes in Hawaii, how did t
29 4everRC : out of all the options we've given in this thread, I would say the best option would be FedEx.
30 Richierich : There are lots of single engine planes in HA. Most of them are brought over on cargo ships. Unlike an airline ordering a new fleet of expensive jets,
31 Arffguy : Actually there are several companies around the world that fly smaller planes across long distances with fuel tanks placed in the cabin. Jon Johanson
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