FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4594 times:
Northwest is incredibly cheap. Meals in general cost money on NW. If it isn't one of the three cardinal meal times, any food is for purchase in domestic first. NW's domestic first isn't anything special anyhow.....At this point, AA is almost always as cheap as NW, and offers modestly better service, and UA (recently atleast) and CO are worlds better - both coach and first.
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Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7365 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4477 times:
Quoting Jonno (Thread starter): Checking SEA - TPA return in November. The flights that leave after 2200 in First Class have 'food for purchase' listed as the meal. WHY????????????????
The food served in 1st is not for purchase, it's still complementary (which would only be served on the DTW/MSP-TPA leg. A snack basket is offered on the redeye) But we offer the snack boxes served in MC as an alternative.
MaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2): At this point, AA is almost always as cheap as NW, and offers modestly better service, and UA (recently atleast) and CO are worlds better - both coach and first.
Last time I checked AA still has powerports in coach and CO doesn't.
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 1): well u are being asked to purchase more and more stuff. why not? airlines plan to make us lucky that they are not charging for oxygen and bathroom breaks!
Ugh, I'll say this again and again along with some other people, but you guys don't seem to get it!! Your expeida or travelocity $100 tickets will not buy you jack-$#!T beyond the airline getting you from point A to point B. It's like just about everyone you meet complaining about gas prices these days. "The oil companies are gouging prices, this is so ridiculous". Well, unless you intend to start drilling for, and refining your own oil, what else are you going to do about it??? Well, I suppose you could find something new to complain about, like why the national speed limits aren't raised to 100mph because the current ones were set back in the 70's and new cars are faster now (note: heavy sarcasm....)
Same for the airlines. They are dropping their prices, yet you (the royal 'you') complain and complain because they don't serve nice meals now. Besides, I'm not that old, but one thing I DO remember: airplane food was the joke of the country. Airplane food and hospital food took the award for being, at least in conversation, the worst food in the country, or maybe the world. You hated it when they served it to you, now that it's gone, you'll complain until hell freezes over. What do you people want?!?!?! Wait, don't answer, I'll tell you.
4 rounds of drinks complimentary, after that they're $1.00 each
Feather pillow with pillowcases made from the finest Italian linens
3-course meal served with a full menu of wines, including a the '96 Chateau La Mondotte, a $600 bottle of wine, all served complimentary
38in pitch in coach
All for $200.00.....ROUND TRIP
I could go on and on. I will say this one more time. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. If you pay $300 for a round trip ticket, you are going to get a soda and that's it.....you won't even get a bag of peanuts for that price!! Why do you expect so much for what you guys pay the airlines. If you pay them $1,000 for a round trip, they will provide a pillow and blanket, they will provide several rounds of drinks, a nice meal, and all the things that you want. But, since the American market system has shown that you guys only care about the cheapest price (case in point is the rise of the LCCs), you won't get jack!!!
Scintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 5): Most airlines offer minimal service on red-eyes from west to east coast. Most people want to sleep at that hour and not dine....even in first.
You are correct. I was on a DL flight from OAK-RNO-DFW back in 2000 that did not depart OAK until midnight. I was originally scheduled on a HP flight that had issues and was moved over to DL. Long story short I could not get anything to drink, I didn't want beer or booze just something to drink and was told there was nothing. During our stop in RNO I got off thinking there would be something open and not a chance.
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Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4905 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3910 times:
I hate to disagree, but I've always like airline food. I've been flying since the early 60s, and I can't think of a bad meal, although the fruit that I had in first yesterday on AA had the crunchiest cantaloupe I've ever tried to eat.
Unlike the cheapskates who think a $99 RT ticket entitles them to a meal, I understand that service and amenities cost money. My wife won't sleep anywhere but Marriott, because she loves the new beds, even though her boss has been giving her grief about her hotel expenses. Her argument is that if she consistantly gets a good night's sleep, she is more willing to put in a long day with an annoying client.
Now, my wife used to think that food was not necessary on a plane and wasn't willing to pay higher fares to get in on board. Then, while I was waiting in line at Burger King at ATL, our toddler, who was tired and hungry, managed to bonk her in the jaw with his head, dislocating her jaw.
FURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 784 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3572 times:
Quoting Monkeyboi (Reply 11): Whether you like airline food or not. Or a hungry or not. If travelling in First Class you still expect to at least have the option to accept or decline.
Not if you are getting first class for the price of coach! Half to 1/3 (more or less depending on time of day, route, etc.) of the cabin are upgrades which these peoples get free or for as little as $50 over coach tickets. I am not saying this is bad because I benifit, but what do you expect?
NWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 152 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 12): Not if you are getting first class for the price of coach! Half to 1/3 (more or less depending on time of day, route, etc.) of the cabin are upgrades which these peoples get free or for as little as $50 over coach tickets. I am not saying this is bad because I benifit, but what do you expect?
Matt, you got it right. Most domestic first customers are there because of frequent flier status that gives them free upgrades. So, hardly anyone is actully paying a first class fee. Those that aren't paying first class often are getting offered the promotional upgrades from the check-in kiosk for as little as $30 per segment (on NW anyhow). I don't see how the airline should be expected to offer so much service for that price.
Mlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting NWBOS (Reply 13): Those that aren't paying first class often are getting offered the promotional upgrades from the check-in kiosk for as little as $30 per segment (on NW anyhow).
Those that are receiving those upgrades, particularly those in the upper-tiers of elite status have often given the airline $20k+ of business per-year. Often times on fares of $1500+ for Y/B fares just to have the flexibility.
Many corporations do not sanction the purchase of first-class fares, but their employees need the flexibility of full-fares which, in some markets are more than their first-class discounted counterparts.
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Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
Quoting NWBOS (Reply 13): for as little as $30 per segment (on NW anyhow). I don't see how the airline should be expected to offer so much service for that price.
Basically because the cost of a first class meal would be less then $10.00 per person, so they could still pocket 20 bucks.
The question is really about red-eyes. I took a NW red-eye from LAX to DTW and wasn't offered anything in first. But most people just want to sleep, myself included.
On every other NW flight I have been on in F/C I have always been offered a meal in F/C (save for one DEN/DTW flight when they didn't cater for the return flight by accident).
No, I don't but a F/C ticket, but a full fare Y ticket, because I need to be able to change my schedule at will and without charges. NW makes a ton of money off of me, so I have no problem with them upgrading me for nothing!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2838 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
Most of the upgrades are there because they're elite and have "paid the price" by past flying to be there, OR have used accumulated FF miles to be there. Either way, it's a carrot the airlines uses to keep flyers loyal. Like Monkeyboi said, they shouldn't call it First Class if they aren't prepared to provide the expected amenities, period.
WildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2489 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 18): Either way, it's a carrot the airlines uses to keep flyers loyal
I fully agree. I'm paying big buck just for the flexibility (for example $ 1050 YXU-YUL RT), receiving didley squat aboard. If the airlines (in my case AC) will take these perks away (like upgrades, etc), I'll take my business elsewhere.
KabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:
I think perhaps some of you are missing an important point or two in all of this (and this is those of you who say that you get what you pay for, blah, blah, blah).
Point one: The chicken/egg argument - is domestic F suffering because passengers are paying crap to sit there, or are people only willing to pay crap to sit there because domestic F has become so awful? After sitting domestic F on a few different airlines for various reasons, I can say for sure that when and if I do have the kind of money to just buy an F ticket at regular price, I sure as heck won't do it!! This applies already to my father - he's an executive director at his corporation and this entitles him to fly F on business trips. However he often WON'T DO IT even though he's entitled to it (depending on airline, he feels a couple are worth it). The reason? He's a pretty frugal guy anyway, but he's pretty much told his travel department that a F fare isn't worth the crap domestic F service he gets anymore on certain airlines, and if there's a chance to upgrade then great he will, but otherwise forget it! He'll deal with Y for a few hours. Is this making sense?
Point two: F customers are still probably your most important customers, whether there because they paid full fare or because they upgraded. Keeping their business is important to an airline (like others have said they may be in F not because they paid for an F seat, but because they've spent 11 trillion dollars on the airline already that year). So if NW allows their F product to become a glorified economy, what's going to happen to them when their most loyal customers end up on a CO codeshare? The customer is going to see NIGHT AND DAY between F products, and subsequently take their business elsewhere. Which will leave NW with nothing but the $200 RT crosscountry economy passenger market. So it doesn't seem to me like downgrading the F product is such a good idea when there are still a couple of airlines out there who have a decent F product.
wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7479 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
Northwest still serves complimentary meals, and yes online it always says food for purchase if that flight is one of them, regardless of searching First or Coach for whatever reason. A couple months ago ATL-MSP on a DC-9 I got a hot breakfast, consisted of Southwestern Omelett, Sausage links (2), Potatoes, Fruit Bowl, and Drink. It was a pretty good sized meal and was actually very good.
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Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2443 times:
Some people say really bad things about US Airways, but from watching this post, I am still trying to figure out what's the difference between US Airways, and the other US majors. I mean NW seems to be pretty much at the bottom of the barrel, and all the other majors seems to have alot of similarities. I hope with this sort of cheapness the airlines are playing with, they make money, cuase airline service is really going to the dogs.
Apologies, it was pretzels and it was DL! (been doing a lot of flying recently). We definitely got a soda on NW and I did notice (as we were sitting in front row of coach) that First had a tasty looking meal .... the guy in last row left most of his! Perhaps they waste more food than is eaten which is why they're only going to sell it in future?