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User currently offlineLemonKitty From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 130 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11089 times:
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Here is the link to the press release...

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/14517010.htm


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5848 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11040 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2762421/


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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1326 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11040 times:

Clearly, Southwest will spend the next couple of years analyzing how the codeshare with ATA to international destinations plays out. Unless, Southwest acquires ATA, I wouldn't expect any Southwest-only international flights until 2009 at the earliest, as Kelly aludes to in the press release.

User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Open sky agreement between US and Europe might fuel high hopes and thoughts for a large number of airlines on both sides of the pond. Would somebody like Ryanair consider this opportunity as well? You bet.

User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

man wouldn't it be cool to see Southwest take on Ryanair head to head across the atlantic... one could only dream...

Slovacek747


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

I noticed this press release was from DFW.com, not from WN.com. Hmm very interesting!


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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9991 times:

Quoting Connector4you (Reply 3):
Would somebody like Ryanair consider this opportunity as well? You bet.

Ryanair would have to greatly alter their business practices to make
this possible.

I believe that U.S. security measures now require all passengers to
have assigned seating.
And from what I've been told by F/As is that if there are fewer pax
boarded on a plane than the number checked-in for that flight, they
have to find out who those pax are and have their luggage removed
from their aircraft.
Have you seen how Ryanair handles luggage?

Plus, Ryanair does not allow ticketing for connecting flights, everything
is sold point-to-point. So I don't know how viable a Frankfurt/Hahn to
Stewart/Newburgh, NY flight would be.

And wasn't Ryanair pondering at one point if lavatories could be removed
from aircraft and replaced with more seating?



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Southwest 141, Bangalore Radar. Descent Two-Six-Zero, Mach Deimal Seven-Eight Minimum.

 

[Edited 2006-05-13 02:43:32]

User currently offlineMidex461 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
And wasn't Ryanair pondering at one point if lavatories could be removed
from aircraft and replaced with more seating?

PLEASE tell me this is a joke!



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 8):
PLEASE tell me this is a joke!

I doubt it...Ryanair was the company that disciplined its employees for charging their cell phones at work..becuase it is "company power"

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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 8):

And wasn't Ryanair pondering at one point if lavatories could be removed
from aircraft and replaced with more seating?


PLEASE tell me this is a joke!

No, I believe I read it in an aviation journal about 1 or 2 years ago.
Around the time they decided not to have window shades put on
their aircraft and to not allow their seatbacks to recline.

Can you imagine how miserable that would be on a trans-Atlantic flight?

Remember that Ryanair when it comes to passenger consideration is
mildly offensive at best. Let's not forget the wheelchair responsiblity
at airports debacle. And of course the time they denied boarding to
the majority of a group of blind (I believe that was their impairment)
people because they said that the law prevented carrying more
than a certain number on a single flight because of the possibilty of
an emergency evacuation.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4):
man wouldn't it be cool to see Southwest take on Ryanair head to head across the atlantic...

We Americans might dig  twocents  flights, or $1 or $9 flights like I hear Ryanair does back in Europe...

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
And wasn't Ryanair pondering at one point if lavatories could be removed from aircraft and replaced with more seating?

Of course, we might not dig that.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

Getting rid of all the lavs seems extreme, but getting rid of all but 1 might make sense on the short sectors.

Steve


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
I believe that U.S. security measures now require all passengers to
have assigned seating.

No. FAA/TSA could care less how airlines assign or not assign seats with the exception of exit row regulations.

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
And from what I've been told by F/As is that if there are fewer pax
boarded on a plane than the number checked-in for that flight, they
have to find out who those pax are and have their luggage removed
from their aircraft.

This is called "positive passenger bag match", and has nothing to do with if Mr Joe Doe is assigned a seat or can open sit himself.

Without getting into the details of how airline passengers are checked in and accounted for, its a relatively simple to verify if all checked in passengers are on board via either electronic boarding methods, or manual procedures incorporated in the boarding process.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 13):
No. FAA/TSA could care less how airlines assign or not assign seats with the exception of exit row regulations.

I was referring to international flights.

I remember that before 9/11 this was done on flights to London.
And that was a U.K. security measure, not a U.S. one.
United did this on their IAD-LHR flights, or at least announced this
"policy" over the PA system before the boarding door was closed.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9063 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 14):
I was referring to international flights.

If there is I better find out, as I know airlines (primarily charter carriers) still allow open seating on international services to/from the US. Also some of the worlds many low cost carrier business models use open seating.

Either way to be honest I don't see assigned seating as having anything to do with what you mentioned about baggage. There are well established positive bag match procedures that airlines use, that have no relationship to any form or seating methodology.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
Either way to be honest I don't see assigned seating as having anything to do with what you mentioned about baggage.

I don't know what procedures used today were in place 15 or 20 years
ago, but the annoncements on the trans-Atlantic flights to London went
like this:

"Before we can depart from the gate everyone has to be seated in
their assigned seats. If there is an empty seat which should be
occupied then that passenger's baggage has to be unloaded before
we can get the final authorization to close the door."

This seemed to be the practice when there wasn't an accurate pax
count because it wasn't done on every flight to London, and it was
never done on any of the other US-European flights I flew on.

Now I know that today I have witnessed ramp agents loading pax
luggage using barcode readers while it is put onto the loading belt.
That I think satifies the pax-baggage match requirement the govt
requires.

I'm only going on what I experienced from my flights and what the
crew members said to us passengers, not what the government
has in written mandate.



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User currently offlineBestpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8626 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
I believe that U.S. security measures now require all passengers to
have assigned seating.

Incorrect. Southwest still uses the group boarding system and does not have assigned seats. Requiring all passengers to have assigned seating would be pointless, as pax switch seats to be close to friends, family, etc. once onboard.

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
And wasn't Ryanair pondering at one point if lavatories could be removed
from aircraft and replaced with more seating?

Lavatories absolutely can be removed and replaced with seating. Airlines do it all the time when altering the seating configuration of an aircraft. Of course, you don't mean remove ALL of the lavs? That'd be a shitty situation.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 4):
man wouldn't it be cool to see Southwest take on Ryanair head to head across the atlantic... one could only dream...

Lol. Can anyone fill me in on how PeoplExpress did it?



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User currently offlineBestpilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
Can anyone fill me in on how PeoplExpress did it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Express

Also read about Laker Airways:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Laker


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Southwest won't go over the pond, it would kill them and their successful world renowned business plan. The most I see them doing is going into the vacation cities on mexico and 2-3 cities in canada.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

I can also see them venturing into the Caribbean markets too, but would AA attempt to squash them from this?


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User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

I agree Skyexramper..I don't think Southwest would go over the pond either.

The main reasons for Southwest's success are
1) Faster turnaround time
2) Single Aircraft type (1 is partly is a result of 2)
3) Relational competence among its employees
4) Relatively short-haul flights from not-too-busy airports

I guess transatlantic flights would simply create too much pressure on the WN way of operation.

(am reading the book "The Southwest Airlines way" by Jody Hoffer Gittell..a great book)

Anyway this is just my guess and I'm sure there are lot of thinkers out there who could make the impossible possible  Smile



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7084 times:

Quoting Scoliodon (Reply 22):
(am reading the book "The Southwest Airlines way" by Jody Hoffer Gittell..a great book)

Don't forget "Relational Coordination" and "Cross-Communication". And yes, it's an awesome book for anyone who wants to know how a business should be run.



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 6):
And from what I've been told by F/As is that if there are fewer pax
boarded on a plane than the number checked-in for that flight, they
have to find out who those pax are and have their luggage removed
from their aircraft.

As far as I know all European Carriers have to pull bags when the checked passengers don't show on the flight. It was a direct result from the Pan Am 107 bombing investigation. It was American carriers who found the practice to be too cumbersome and lobbied the government to drop it. (pre 9/11)


25 DesertAir : It makes sense to me that WN would encourage/enable the expansion of ATA international routes and provide the feed into them. It sounds like a possibl
26 Post contains links NateDAL : WN is not a leisure airline. See what I said here
27 Joost : When it is the law, you can not blame Ryanair. If they would take the people on board, they would breach safety regulations. The whole story is not m
28 GSPSPOT : It'd be great if someone like Airtran (or ATA, I guess) did transatlantic. At least these airlines' business models include front cabins ("business cl
29 AirWillie6475 : Hello? This article says noting about overseas. They might do Canada or Mexico runs and with ATA at that, nothing amaizing about that. Please use a be
30 Midway2airtran : With technology/training improvements and outsourced maintaince these days, having a single aircraft type may not be so much more efficent, maybe les
31 PSA727 : Newsflash: It is not the law! When this story became public, a newspaper had contacted a U.K. aviation official, and he debuked this claim by Ryanair
32 Post contains images OPNLguy : FYI, DFW.com has nothing to do with the DFW airport, and is instead one of the web addresses for the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram newspaper... This story
33 Par13del : The problem WN business plan faces is in the international market is political. Here's my example NAS (MYNN). Bahamians spend a lot of time in the Mia
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