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QF's SFO Service  
User currently offlineQANTASpower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Hi,

Does anybody know how this new service is performing? Just curious what the loads are like across the 3 classes. Also is there much of a First market for this service?

QF has stated that it will go daily (up from 3 x weekly) once the first A380 arrives.

Thanks

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4656 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting QANTASpower (Thread starter):
QF has stated that it will go daily (up from 3 x weekly) once the first A380 arrives.

It would be interesting to see how well the route is doing - it can't be too bad if QF want to go daily with it. I think QF are sweating on their A380s arriving, quite frankly.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting QANTASpower (Thread starter):

Does anybody know how this new service is performing? Just curious what the loads are like across the 3 classes. Also is there much of a First market for this service?

I was thinking of the same thing myself..I'm quite curious to see how QF is doing at SFO.........I plan on flying QF SFO-SYD-SFO sometime in late November or early December...if the flight is still around



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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?

User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 3):
Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?

I don't think they're talking about flying A380 to SFO -- they mean that when they get the whales, they'll have some 744 freed up and will use some to increase SFO frequency.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 3):
Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?

Cschleic...I don't think SQ was ever planning on sending the A380 to SFO..I think Classiclover meant it as another statement...



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User currently offlineFlamedude707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
I don't think SQ was ever planning on sending the A380 to SFO..I think Classiclover meant it as another statement...

I think you mean QF



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.

I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

-Copa


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

There is some "hot talk" going around that Singapore Airlines is going to be changing things up on the West Coast. Of mention the LAX-TPE-SIN, will be routed, if the talk is true, out of SFO instead of LAX. The aircraft would upgrade to the 747-400. The SFO-ICN-SIN, would be routed to LAX, and would remain on the 777-200. SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

At current there are some challenges facing Singapore Airlines and their A380 operating the SFO-HKG-SIN service. For that service as well as LHR, and SYD the changes are rumored to be as follows. Configuring the A380 on those routes to be heavy on P and J product and reduce the number of Y class seats in the market.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Malpensa: Interesting info. Thanks for the update on the "hot talk" going on with SQ. It would be weird to not see any 744 at LAX! Can't wait to see the A345 at SFO.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
There is some "hot talk" going around that Singapore Airlines is going to be changing things up on the West Coast. Of mention the LAX-TPE-SIN, will be routed, if the talk is true, out of SFO instead of LAX. The aircraft would upgrade to the 747-400. The SFO-ICN-SIN, would be routed to LAX, and would remain on the 777-200. SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

At current there are some challenges facing Singapore Airlines and their A380 operating the SFO-HKG-SIN service. For that service as well as LHR, and SYD the changes are rumored to be as follows. Configuring the A380 on those routes to be heavy on P and J product and reduce the number of Y class seats in the market.

Interesting news. I would think the SFO-TPE would perform better than the SFO-ICN leg. Another SQ 744 is always a good thing as well. I am salivating at the idea of a SFO-SIN n/s on the A345. I had heard it was to start sooner, but there have been delays I guess. The A380 service should be good if/when it eventually starts as well. When does the first A380 fly for SQ? Wasn't it supposed to be this year?
Also, Malpensa, are you Chamorro? Flying the Guam flag is pretty cool.

-Copa


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 6):
I think you mean QF

yah..thanks for the correction, my bad.. crazy 

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

there are some quality A.net members who work for SQ and they mention that because of headwinds, etc. the A380 might not have the legs to make it to SFO with a full pax/cargo load..its still under evaluation..

I also would assume LAX would see the A380 first..but if it can't do the SFO route, I'm not so sure if it will be able to do the LAX route...time will tell

my personal opinion is that it will be able to do it in one way or the other and that SFO (as well as LAX) will be seeing the A380 in SQ colours.. bigthumbsup 

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

it would be interesting to see how this would work if (big if) SQ went on to purchase some 777-200LR..I would assume not too much...



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

From purely a demographic point of view TPE has more traffic to SFO while ICN has more to LAX.

I'd like to really see SQ route HKG to LAX also to give CX a run as they manages 3 dailies on the route without any competition.

Shoud swaps would also work in the greater scheme of things for Star as it would gain a LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, LAX-ICN the first two routes UA having pulled out from, while only loosing a LAX-TPE.



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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
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Sorry for the non-topic discussion...

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500.

Does this mean SQ will be ordering more A340-500s or will the non-stop LAX or EWR flights be re-routed to SFO?



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
I also would assume LAX would see the A380 first..but if it can't do the SFO route, I'm not so sure if it will be able to do the LAX route...time will tell

Isnt't the SIN-NRT-LAX (SQ 11/12) routing up for an A380? That should have no weight restrictions.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 14):

Isnt't the SIN-NRT-LAX (SQ 11/12) routing up for an A380? That should have no weight restrictions.

I know of for SFO it's SIN-HKG-SFO......don't know about SIN-LAX..regardless, I'm sure the A380 will be able to do NRT-LAX without a problem....



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

ASLAX

I would assume they are doing well because if Air NZ can go from 3x a week to daily out of AKL then QF should easily do daily based out of SYD



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

So, in summary, no one can answer the original post's question. How did this evolve into a discussion about SQ? By someone's typo? Sheesh!

User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 19):
So, in summary, no one can answer the original post's question

It would be almost impossible to find out how a flight is really doing. Yeild wise, no air carrier releases their exact profit/loss on a particular flight. If you want to know how many passengers were on QF 73/74 into SFO, I can give you that info. There were 306 passengers inbound to SFO today.



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User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Back to the original question....

I think NZ would have an easier time at SFO than QF because NZ is Star and QF is a One World carrier.

The majority of Frequent Flyers in SFO are Star, not One World so naturally people going to SYD will pick UA, not QF.

Also, not having daily service kills yields in First/Business.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 20):
There were 306 passengers inbound to SFO today.

granted the amount of pax doesn't necessarily make a profit, but if the plane is 3/4 empty, it most probably isn't going to make money..at least there is a chance this route will be a money maker...

I've flown on a KL 742 from AMS-KHI with about 45 pax..now that certainly won't be a money maker..but I got 1/2 the plane to myself.. spin 



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
granted the amount of pax doesn't necessarily make a profit, but if the plane is 3/4 empty, it most probably isn't going to make money..at least there is a chance this route will be a money maker...

That is not the point I was making. If you read my response, you will see that all I said was that there was 306 passengers on the flight. I, along with other individuals, are quite aware that full flights do not always mean profit.  bouncy 



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 23):

That is not the point I was making. If you read my response, you will see that all I said was that there was 306 passengers on the flight. I, along with other individuals, are quite aware that full flights do not always mean profit.

yes..I know..I was just being tautological.. Wink



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25 QANTASpower : I think once it goes daily it will be very popular as you can link with AA flights to some of their major hubs such as Dallas and Chicago. If I was tr
26 Planetime : This flight is only running for 1 and a half months right? Otherwise it will be SYD-SFO and have a nice long rest in SFO before returning home.
27 Planetime : Any plans for YVR during the OZ summer?
28 Aerokiwi : I thought the Pacific-configured aircraft were in a two-class, 420 odd pax layout.
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Planetime, that I have no clue of...... I think QF wants to fly to DFW for the easier connections to ORD as well as NYC-metro..as AA provides tons of
30 Aussie747 : BNE-LAX and AKL-LAX are in those configurations, however the SFO services are the three class 74 routes of 343 PAX, just like the LAX services out of
31 6thfreedom : Nope, the only ones that are more densely configured at 412 seats are QF25/26 MEL-AKL-LAX & QF175/176 BNE-LAX
32 Planetime : These flights also get 743's sometimes.
33 ZK-NBT : Only MEL-AKL-LAX or previously BNE-AKL-LAX. This is due to an extra 744 being out for Maintanence or having AVOD installed. Currently QF25/26 is a 74
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