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A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai  
User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18058 times:

A China Eastern A 340-600 from Seoul, landing gear caught fire while landing in PVG. No injuries reported. No delays at the airport, other runway was used.

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User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17940 times:

Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing? Just my 2 cents though.
Anyone has a link on this case?



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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17887 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 1):
Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing?

No offence mate, but you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about if you're making guesses like that with absoloutely no information to base it on!

A fire in the landing gear assemblies could be caused by any number of things, and pilot-error is probably well into the bottom half of the list ......



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17839 times:

Here's more news courtesy of the Google News search engine  

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/14/content_4543891.htm

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/200..._s_tires_burst__no_one_injured.htm

Quite funny, the first link says 1 tire burst, the second 12... Now if all 12 burst, they wouldn't have been able to tow it off the runway very easily!

Edit: Spelling

[Edited 2006-05-14 19:40:23]

User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17789 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 2):
A fire in the landing gear assemblies could be caused by any number of things, and pilot-error is probably well into the bottom half of the list ......

Hey mate

You know among those business people who always have to commute between Hong Kong and Shanghai, they are scared if the company books a MU ticket for them. It has widely been criticised for their bad service, poor puntaulity and scary pilots...

I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

A few years ago when the A346 was first launched in MU, they fly to HKG. There was a case where some problems occurred so that the plane has to be returned back to HKG upon take off. It was widely reported in the media that the pilot was doing extra tight turns, and passengers feeling sick etc.

It is true that what i said in my previous post was just a guess, and this possibilty is rather slim, but I just cannot stop it.

I still hope to know the real reason for this though.

Best wishes

William



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User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17516 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 1):
Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing? Just my 2 cents though



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 2):
No offence mate, but you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about if you're making guesses like that with absoloutely no information to base it on!

That's why he was guessing in the first place, because he had not any clues !



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User currently offlineONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16717 times:

Any idea what the reg. # of the aircraft involved is?

Thanks.



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15246 times:

Musapapaya,

Maybe talk the facts pal. Flown on MU myself, they are not CX or BA but no problems.

Maybe this was an issue with the A346 / A346 gear... its happened before.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13628 times:
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Quoting N754PR (Reply 7):
Maybe this was an issue with the A346 / A346 gear... its happened before.

This was a gear fire though--much different than a hard landing. The A346 had gear problems (not fire) on heavy landings during testing. I recall seeing the photos in Flight International.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 8):
This was a gear fire though--much different than a hard landing. The A346 had gear problems (not fire) on heavy landings during testing. I recall seeing the photos in Flight International.

How do you get from the tire burst in the news articles to a gear fire?


User currently offlineCLOUD9 From France, joined May 2006, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12100 times:

Please stop this stupid guessing. Shortly after the landing of the A346 we passed by (also an A346!) I was to busy to take pictures but I can tell you that all main-gear tyres were deflated. The Aircraft had made a rather short landing. At that time even our ground-staff had no further information. Perhaps we hear more today. So wait and see....

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

Quoting CLOUD9 (Reply 10):
pictures but I can tell you that all main-gear tyres were deflated

No Tow Possibility until min required tires are replaced.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDraigonair From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

aah that too bad..

I do remember my self when living in Shanghai that these MU pilots did land very hard! Me and my family always though, oh no, not another one of those fighter pilots! Especially in the MD11's they slam them on runway and usually we would always lift off again and then hit the tarmac for a second time! Never flew on their A346 though so cant comment on that. (did on A343)

cheers
Nick



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User currently offlineTPEcanuck From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

I don't know why it still bothers me....but...a problem with landing gear on an aircraft with no information as to why leads to a broad, sweeping, condemnation of Chinese culture. As an ex-pat living in China/Taiwan for a long time...I'm really amazed at the 'insight' that every thing that happens is a problem with Chinese culture. Gosh! But I guess if it's always been said...surely it must be true..... Sad!

Quoting N754PR (Reply 7):
Maybe talk the facts pal. Flown on MU myself, they are not CX or BA but no problems.

N754PR...I'm with you on that....

Glad everyone was safe, and like others, interested to hear more!


User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8479 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

This has to be the most ignorant thing I have read on this site. Perhaps your arrogance is getting in the way of your clear thinkning. I know plenty of American pilots who I would rather not fly with!

Now back to the subject:

If the A/C had to come to a sudden stop or if the pilots had to lean on the brakes hard enough and long enough there is a very real possiblity the brakes became hot enough to catch on fire. It happens often enough.

On most of the wheels of jets there are heat plugs that will melt and blow when the wheel gets hot enough. This is to prevent the wheel and tire assembly from exploding due to heat.

If these brakes were hot enough this would explain why the tires were deflated. I would be interested in finding out what happended though.


User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Nobody can really say it is pilot error unless they have been on every single MU flight, which would then make is the "fact".


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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Really hard to say if it is an pilot error, problem with 346's landing gears or something else. What I remember is quite some time ago, An CX's 346 hard landed in Sydney, and all landing gears needed to be changed consequentially. However, I do not know the Reg #.

Brgds,
R Panda


User currently offlineDizzy8 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting Draigonair (Reply 12):
Especially in the MD11's they slam them on runway

(Without meaning to get too much off-topic...) Is it my imagination or do DC-10/MD-11's experience an inordinate number of gear failures and/or wing spar cracks after a heavy landing?

Fed Ex at EWR and MEM, AA at DFW, IB at BOS, CH at VHHH, etc. come to mind.

I love the DC-10/MD-11 and I'm just curious why they seem to have more than their fair share of "disappointing" landings.

[Edited 2006-05-16 15:59:37]

User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2399 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5865 times:


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Please, can somebody explain me these strange yellow bags on the wheels... or whatever??

cheers chris


User currently offlineTribird1011 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

Quoting Debonair (Reply 18):
Please, can somebody explain me these strange yellow bags on the wheels... or whatever??

I'm guessing that they are air bags that are used to lift heavy objects. In this case I think that they are being used to raise the landing gear off the ground so that they can get under the gear assembly to get jacks under the wheels to replace them.

Perhaps becasue all the wheels are deflated, they are unable to place the jacks under the gear assembly to raise it, because the axles are too close to the ground.

The again, it could something else. Anyone else...


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 19):
The again, it could something else. Anyone else...

Those are just trash bags for FOD. They're tied to the wheels so they wont blow away.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5201 times:
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From what seems a total lack of normal dirt from operations on the underside of this acft it's assumed by me to be really new. Thats the first thing that gets dirty. I also don't see any sign of a gear fire unless it's the hub discoloration on this particular set, just deflations from wear on landing or the heat plugs. From what seems a very straight and even application of brakes by the rubber traces on the runway I'd expect something has happened to the brake system to cause a lock. This is only from the two photos on Anet and not newspaper account of "eyewitnesses"

Until pilot statements are heard this is all we can go by.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 19):
I'm guessing that they are air bags that are used to lift heavy objects. In this case I think that they are being used to raise the landing gear off the ground so that they can get under the gear assembly to get jacks under the wheels to replace them.

Haha, you're joking right?  Smile  Smile  Smile


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