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Alitalia's Situation?  
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Hey guys,

It's been a while since the last post regarding Alitalia's situation came by. Honestly, I've been worried.

I know that AZ has been facing several problems for the last few years, even though they bought all those 777s. I also happen to have some evidence regarding their services, since my uncle flew MXP-CCS a month ago and he said it was one of the worst flights he's ever taken (service & equipment-wise).

It seems that their 767 fleet is worn, crew is unfriendly and old, and they are not what they used to be once upon a time.

So, how are they doing right now? Are there any potential orders coming up?(perhaps 787s or more 777s?), any developments or advances?

Ok guys, any comments are more than welcome!

Thanks in advance!

Enrique.


Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

My opinion, and i stress that it's MY opinion.

Alitalia is doomed, there has been no real sweeping changes in the airline at all which is desperately needed, and i think (again i stress it's I) the airline is rife with corruption in the senior ranks. No evidence, nothing to support my opinion. But if alitalia are around in 5 years time i'll eat my own words and admit i'm wrong.



John Hancock
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

The company continues to lose huge amounts of money from operations.

Their unions continue to stage work stoppages every few months.

They just bought the operating certificate of a non-operating (??) carrier to gain access to more domestic routes via Linate.

As long as the Italian government finds ways of funneling cash to the operation, they will continue to stumble along.

Once the Eu finally stops the government help, they'll be out of business in no time....but who knows how long that will take.

Alitalia sucks. They are an unreliable alliance partner for Skyteam. I can't believe they are part of our global strategy.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):

As long as the Italian government finds ways of funneling cash to the operation, they will continue to stumble along.

And they do! I cannot see any difference between Alitalia and Olympic, yet the Greek government is being sued by the EU over "illegal" aid given to their "national" carrier, and demanding the carrier repay almost $600M, which, if I'm not mistaken, is defunct!

Now ENAC (Italian Aviation Authority) has slapped an PSO on routes between mainland Italy and Sardinia, which Ryanair & Easyjet already serve, forcing them out of the market to AZ's benefit.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 1):

and i think (again i stress it's I) the airline is rife with corruption in the senior ranks

Not to mention the Italian authorities!


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Agreed... Nothing has changed...
Hopefully the new government will do something important... But I doubt it.... very much doubt it... I think they either will change something at Alitalia or stop funding and letting AZ die... I don't think all will remain as it is now... But it's just me, I could very well be wrong.
All the politics here say "We do We do..." But nobody does anything in the right direction... We need a radical change...

Ciao  banghead 
Joe


User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

This link shows the situation of AZ as of march 31st, 2006.

Please care to consider this following part, which was what the EU asked to Alitalia before ALLOWING the cash injection of the last fall:

"...data regarding current portions of amounts falling due within twelve months are no longer classified under medium/long term indebtedness, but now form part of data relating to short-term financial debt..."

http://corporate.alitalia.com/en/Ima...r_28_04_2006_(2)_en_tcm7-14276.pdf

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 3):
Now ENAC (Italian Aviation Authority) has slapped an PSO on routes between mainland Italy and Sardinia, which Ryanair & Easyjet already serve, forcing them out of the market to AZ's benefit.

Everyone having a clue on the issue would disagree: it was done to Sardinians' benefit and ENAC just applied the italian legislation on the matter. Check the thread here on A.net if you're interested in knowing better...

Regards,

V


User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Are there any potential orders coming up?

Following the relaunch plan, not before the end of this year/next year, and regarding what type, I think some more 777-200ERs (five if you ask) and 10-15 B787s.
What do you guys think about it?

Regards,

V


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4743 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting Cure (Reply 6):
Following the relaunch plan, not before the end of this year/next year, and regarding what type, I think some more 777-200ERs (five if you ask) and 10-15 B787s.
What do you guys think about it?

I'm gonna say total 777 fleet will end up at around 14-15 (so 4/5 incremental orders).

787s will be ordered in the 15-20 range.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Ok guys, I was expecting some better news  Sad

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Alitalia sucks. They are an unreliable alliance partner for Skyteam

Have you though about it this way: if they are still in the alliance, some logic reason must be hanging there...

Anyways, if Alitalia recovers, what would be the next move. What are they to recover from? Bankruptcy? Corruption?

And what happens if AZ goes bankrupt and goes out of service? Something like the Swissair situation could come up?

I'm very worried about this, AZ is my favourite airline. I don't know if its just luck, but all the times I've flown with them, has been a superb experience.

I really hope to see a solution to their problems and a modification on their management, they're Italy's flag carrier and it has been a symbol all over the world for several years.

Best for AZ

Enrique



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
Agreed... Nothing has changed...

That is very sad to hear, I really love AZ

Quoting 797 (Reply 8):
AZ is my favourite airline. I don't know if its just luck, but all the times I've flown with them, has been a superb experience

DITTO! I flew from MILANO to ROMA and to NAPOLI and I loved it..

So, what would be AZ options then? What would you do if you have the power to do something?



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting Cure (Reply 5):

Everyone having a clue on the issue would disagree: it was done to Sardinians' benefit and ENAC just applied the italian legislation on the matter

By "everyone having a clue" you mean folk that agree with you? And I beg to differ on who's benefit it was applied. Just because there is legislation doesn't mean it's a good thing. Air transportation bring a lot of benefits, ie: jobs. Just because they're LCC's shouldn't preclude them from any market in the EU.

And in the courts decision, what is so special about Alitalia?

Let's see what happens with Ryanair's appeal to the EU. I hope they strike it down pronto!


User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
Hopefully the new government will do something important...

New government ?? Who Prodi ?? The same goons where in power before Berlusconi ? And ? Did they do something then ? No !! So, expect nothing !!


User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Nothing will happen-after all this is Italy where the false promise originated. I flew MXP-NRT on 15th April this year and the service was terrible. I am suprised Skyteam puts up with this blot on their alliance and even more suprised that JAL code shares on the route. The only consolation was the plane was clean and tidy and I arrived in one piece at Narita.

User currently offlineIkarus2006 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Just a few considerations about the sad AZ story.

1. AZ operates in an open market (at least at European level, I would not put my hand on the fire about the Italian one). If because of a coincidence of many factors (debts, competition with low-cost carriers) it does not make it to keep the head above the water, then I can imagine it could disappear within the next 5 years.

2. I personally know a few people who own Alitalia shares and feel sorry for them since they did not sell early enough to limit the damage. Selling now means a loss anyway so they wait and hope something will get better - wishful thinking?

3. If I were one of the above, I would really like to know where AZ plans to find the money to add 777s and 787s to their fleet if they barely manage to keep their employees satisfied and their debts under control.

4. IMO, the situation comes from a mix of low efficiency, short sighted planning, relying on government support a bit too frequently. I will not buy it that is the competition with low-cost carriers that ruined AZ - other European airlines survived the "attack" and are doing very well so the core of the problem is probably somewhere else.

5. I fly to Italy frequently and after trying several airlines (including KLM > expensive, Air France > 70% of the time delays in CDG) I ended up using Ryanair with some flights on Virgin Express. Why would I pay much more to fly AZ and face a service level that recalls sometimes a low-cost carriers?

6. A question for everyone - Italy is a land that is very strong in tourism and still they did not properly manage to take advantage of this situation - what is it, according to you experts, that they are doing so wrong not being able to tap from this huge potential market of tourists flying there from all over the world?


Still, I hope something will happen down there and that the Italian genius will find a solution somehow possibly soon...


User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 13):
6. A question for everyone - Italy is a land that is very strong in tourism and still they did not properly manage to take advantage of this situation - what is it, according to you experts, that they are doing so wrong not being able to tap from this huge potential market of tourists flying there from all over the world?

In most cases Italy does a better job than other countries when it comes to giving access to tourist to their territory. Just look at the vast ferry and hydrofoil operations through out Italy. You can reach any place no matter how remote. Look at Venice and its transportation system. If Venice was in America you'd be walking. Alitalia on the other hand is in poor shape. It has a lot to do with politics (wrong politics), a socialist country where the workforce has a lot to say. Alitalia should have been privatized in 1987. But Craxi killed the plan. From then on it was just a ride downhill. Frankly Italy should invest its money into a new clean sheet airline and simply doom Alitalia.

The 777 are leased. Alitalia buys them and then sells them to an Italian leasing company. They don't own them. The 777 replaced the 747 and the MD11.


User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
It seems that their 767 fleet is worn, crew is unfriendly and old

Evidence for this???

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
In most cases Italy does a better job than other countries when it comes to giving access to tourist to their territory. Just look at the vast ferry and hydrofoil operations through out Italy. You can reach any place no matter how remote.

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User currently offlineIkarus2006 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

ComeAndGo,

Thanks first of all for the note. My meaning was not to criticize the transportation system in Italy altogether and not even the services that they provide to tourists.

I was more pointing at the fact that Alitalia is not taking enough advantage from this potential market where many other carriers are already busy. I personally know several people all over the world that whenever they need to fly to Italy they choose another carrier then Alitalia - this is what worries me and what I would like to see changing thanks to a renovated AZ stricture or to a totally new airline in place of it.

What do you think about this?


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

I think that it may be time to let the Alitalia name die, which is very unfortunate. I think the best bet for an Italian flag carrier is a new one owned by Air France/KLM. Declare Alitalia bankrupt, have Air France/KLM set up a new airline with its assets and leased planes- focus on customer service, a Low-cost domestic and European model (with a business class), long-range focusing on MXP with certain markets also receiving service to FCO. The challenge for any new airline there will be the unions. Air France/KLM seems to have found out how to be profitable in an environment where unions are very strong and in spite of the occasional strike. Such knowledge would seem to be very useful in Italy.

User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 10):
By "everyone having a clue" you mean folk that agree with you? And I beg to differ on who's benefit it was applied. Just because there is legislation doesn't mean it's a good thing. Air transportation bring a lot of benefits, ie: jobs. Just because they're LCC's shouldn't preclude them from any market in the EU

There is no need to have a nickel and dime airline like RyanAir in the Sardinia market. Sardinians, are justly tired of the absurd amount of thrifty tourists trying to make Sardinia their vacation destination. Sardinia, has survived for years on the wealthy travel market. There is no need for the "Irish Plague" to have service to Sardinia.

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 12):
I am suprised Skyteam puts up with this blot on their alliance and even more suprised that JAL code shares on the route

"The Route" has been code-shared for over 15 odd years. JAL isnt putting its name behind something that does not have merit. In addition Alitalia also code-shares with China Airlines to the Asian market.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 1):
Alitalia is doomed,

The same has been said about Aer Lingus, US Airways, Delta Airlines, Northwest Airlines, British Midland, Philippines Airlines, China Airlines, Olympic, JAL, Varig, and SAS for a number of years... And where are they now?... The skies above!

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 1):
But if alitalia are around in 5 years time i'll eat my own words and admit i'm wrong

Prepare your dining utensils..

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
It has a lot to do with politics (wrong politics), a socialist country where the workforce has a lot to say.

The problem with Socialism is?


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 18):
There is no need to have a nickel and dime airline like RyanAir in the Sardinia market. Sardinians, are justly tired of the absurd amount of thrifty tourists trying to make Sardinia their vacation destination. Sardinia, has survived for years on the wealthy travel market. There is no need for the "Irish Plague" to have service to Sardinia.

I think you make a good point about the kind of tourist one wants to attract. I am not sure that providing cheap flights to Sardinia attracts the "wrong" sort of tourist, though.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 17):
I think the best bet for an Italian flag carrier is a new one owned by Air France/KLM. Declare Alitalia bankrupt, have Air France/KLM set up a new airline with its assets and leased planes

Any reason for Air France/KLM in particular to do it?


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 9):
So, what would be AZ options then? What would you do if you have the power to do something?

Change management with men with a real power and not controlled by someone... Someone that has the skills and interests to do something for this legacy.

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 11):
New government ?? Who Prodi ?? The same goons where in power before Berlusconi ?

If you read all of my post you'll see:

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 4):
Hopefully the new government will do something important... But I doubt it.... very much doubt it...

No worries I'm not living in dreams... But I'll still keep a bit of irrational hope if you don't mind.

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 13):
6. A question for everyone - Italy is a land that is very strong in tourism and still they did not properly manage to take advantage of this situation - what is it, according to you experts, that they are doing so wrong not being able to tap from this huge potential market of tourists flying there from all over the world?

Bad management and politics.. Alitalia still suffers even of the Double-hub system that a small long-haul line can't support. They have to focus either on MXP or FCO.

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
a socialist country where the workforce has a lot to say.

That's the problem all the politics keeps as excuse of why everything is bad, A wise management can do a lot of good moves even without going against unions.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 18):
There is no need to have a nickel and dime airline like RyanAir in the Sardinia market. Sardinians, are justly tired of the absurd amount of thrifty tourists trying to make Sardinia their vacation destination.

It's a pity that all the Sardinians I've heard says the opposite...

Ciao  bored 
Joe


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 13):
they barely manage to keep their employees satisfied and their debts under control.

So this means that they are not 'dead' yet, right? If they still can manage their airplanes and have their debts under control, then it means that they might have an advance if some serious people sit behind the desks and plans something out?

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
Frankly Italy should invest its money into a new clean sheet airline and simply doom Alitalia.

I do not agree with that. I want to see Alitalia flying. If many airlines have been saved, why not AZ?

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 15):
Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
It seems that their 767 fleet is worn, crew is unfriendly and old

Evidence for this???

Are you asking it ironically or seriously?
If the second option is the one, well, I flew one of their 767s one year ago and it was in a pretty bad shape. Moreover, my uncle is a frequent flier between CCS and MXP/FCO and usually flies them. Last time, he was totally disgusted...

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 17):
I think that it may be time to let the Alitalia name die, which is very unfortunate.

I don't think that's a good option, sorry.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 17):
Declare Alitalia bankrupt, have Air France/KLM set up a new airline with its assets and leased planes- focus on customer service, a Low-cost domestic and European model (with a business class), long-range focusing on MXP with certain markets also receiving service to FCO.

How would this work? Would they keep the Alitalia name but with a different administration? Same airplanes and livery like KLM did? Or is something like the Swissair situation going to happen???

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 18):
Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 1):
But if alitalia are around in 5 years time i'll eat my own words and admit i'm wrong

Prepare your dining utensils..

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 18):
Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
It has a lot to do with politics (wrong politics), a socialist country where the workforce has a lot to say.

The problem with Socialism is?

I don't think that's the problem... Italy is the 5th or 6th most powerfull countries in the world, if that was the case, then it wouldn't be like that...

Quoting Art (Reply 19):
Any reason for Air France/KLM in particular to do it?

Perhaps the Skyteam alliance and that AF owns some AZ shares...

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 20):
Alitalia still suffers even of the Double-hub system that a small long-haul line can't support. They have to focus either on MXP or FCO.

Finally! I've always said that! AZ should focus either on FCO or MXP. I don't know which one, as I know FCO brings millions of tourists per year (more than MXP).

Either way, if AZ goes out, that space will have to be filled with a whole new airline ready to represent Italy as AZ has been doing for several years. I wish them the best and hope to see an improvement and some new orders...

Cheers



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 16):
I was more pointing at the fact that Alitalia is not taking enough advantage from this potential market where many other carriers are already busy. I personally know several people all over the world that whenever they need to fly to Italy they choose another carrier then Alitalia - this is what worries me and what I would like to see changing thanks to a renovated AZ stricture or to a totally new airline in place of it.

What do you think about this?

I'm one of those who refuses to fly with Alitalia to Italy. Reason being is because as long as the airline is controlled by the government you have irrational service. In the 90's the the service from Milan to Los Angeles was changed to Venice to Milan to Los Angeles. The idea was to connect the Venice Film Festival with the Oscars. What does that have to do with flying? The result was a catastrophe. In Venice you have fog. So the flight had huge delays every other day. Sometimes 9 hours ! I remember how my mom had to fly to Milan, we brought her to the airport and at check-in they told her that the flight would be one hour delayed. So we waited one hour and they told her again that the flight would be delayed by yet another hour. By this time we went outside and look at the gate lineup. There was no Alitalia plane anywhere. So we went back to the check-in counter and asked to speak to a supervisor. The supervisor told us that the plane was currently overflying Island !! That's 8 hours from Los Angeles. Why would Alitalia tell you that the flight is delayed by one hour and then one hour later tell you the same thing again? 8 hours is a long time. You can go back home and come back later. You can go back to work. You can go into the city and do some sightseeing. You can go to the beach. No, Alitalia's way is to tell you that the flight is delayed by one hour. So you end up waiting at the airport for 8 hours to then embark on a 13 hour flight to Milan. Who is ever going to travel with Alitalia again ? These huge delays happened to my mother twice, to my father once and friends of mine had it on the way to Italy and also on the way back.

As long as Alitalia is run by the government it's nothing but trouble. I got my mille miglia miles summer sales brochure at the end of September. They mailed it at the beginning of July via surface mail !!! Takes two months and goes via ship across the Atlantic. I have no words. Alitalia is an airline. Ever heard of Air Mail ? Obviously not. The politicians constantly interfere with the Airline. They come up with laws that restrict Alitalia's operations. Initially Alitalia could fly intercontinental flights only from Rome. There was some sort of percentage rule where Rome had to handle 80% of the intercontinental flights. Why? Because Rome is at the center of the Universe. So now the flights shifted to Milan. But what's deal with restricting the airline to fly from where it wants to fly? If there's a market to fly from Turin to Detroit then Alitalia should have the freedom to choose to fly such a route without interference from the Italian government. What's dooming Alitalia is not the competition but the government that oversees it.

Alitalia needs to be privatized with zero input from the government. The politicians have to understand that flying is no luxury but a business like any other. It's probably best to split the company into two airlines, one that operates from Rome and one that operates from Milan.


User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 22):
There was some sort of percentage rule where Rome had to handle 80% of the intercontinental flights. Why? Because Rome is at the center of the Universe

Any Italian would tell you it's because it's the Politicos who are at the centre of the Universe in Italy...Alitalia's origins lie in fascist Italy, see any parallels???


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 21):
Finally! I've always said that! AZ should focus either on FCO or MXP. I don't know which one, as I know FCO brings millions of tourists per year (more than MXP).

The serious money is at MXP though.

If they had to choose a main hub, with the political interference already grave in this airline, it would probably be FCO with it been the capital, no matter if it is the wrong choice.

Adam


25 ComeAndGo : Alitalia has 19 workers turing an Aircraft in 1 hour. Southwest has 5 workers do the same in 20 minutes. It's Unions and Politics.
26 BA757 : Iceland or Ireland? Thats simply fantastic! Made me laugh. Adam
27 Pavlin : What a comment. Ryanair doesn't serve food and drinks, after all it is normally only a two hour flight. Air travel is not about luxury. It is about s
28 KLMflyer : This is a time-consuming topic as we can design all kinds of scenarios for AZ but until it's going to be run by unprofessional managers, by politics a
29 MalpensaSFO : MXP is where the money is (year-round) FCO is where the money is (seasonal) To some it is... For example premium cabins on Singapore, Qantas, British
30 Yak97 : What else happens in Sardinia if you take away the tourists??
31 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Wealthy Italians and Europeans enjoy their multi million Euro second homes..
32 Art : Culture. You have to change the culture of the whole company. The easiest way is to change all the people in the company. The easiest way to do that
33 ComeAndGo : They have this really good cheese with maggots in it. In italy it's illegal to eat maggots, so the authorities banned the cheese but Sardinians eat i
34 Smokeyrosco : I take major offence to this, and as a property owner in Sardinia I can tell you that most if not all the locals I have met while holidaying out ther
35 Post contains links and images MalpensaSFO : Apologies, if it was taken as a racial comment. It is very common among the top European airlines to refer to RyanAir as the "Irish Plague". It is no
36 KLMflyer : while AZ wastes its time in dreaming of opening new routes like Khartoum, Nairobi, Hong Kong, LAx, SFO, etc., a small carrier like Eurofly starts on 2
37 SapphireLHR : Acronyms are great..... Always, Late, In, Take off, Always, Late, In, .Arriving...... Sorry couldn't resist that one...have a good day.
38 KLMCedric : Sabena and Olympic where/are other airlines within the EU that where/are known to have bad management and reliable on government cash injections for t
39 797 : Well said. And I believe Italy's government interests are not over AZ's matters, and that's what sinks AZ every day... Isn't that too complicated? Ho
40 LipeGIG : Does Alitalia has plans to fly again to Rio de Janeiro (non-stop or even as a tag on the GRU-MXP flight) ? Felipe
41 Cure : In replay 5 I added "check the thread here on A.net" (the one about ENAC's decision) not to be patronizing, but just to spare you the time to come ou
42 Scotron11 : In replay 5 I added "check the thread here on A.net" Which I did. But I still don't see any reason to stop Ryanair/Easyjet from offering service. Aft
43 Art : Is it well managed now? If so, great turnaround. Er... is it good management running Alitalia in such a way that it takes 19 man hours to do what can
44 Lospaziale : One simple question: Can the 763 go no-stop from MXP to LA, which could be a 12:30 hours flight?? I don't really think so...Especially westbound
45 Post contains links Cure : http://corporate.alitalia.com/en/Ima...-%20May%2015%202006_tcm7-14518.pdf Let's see how it goes... BTW 5.500 employees over 24.000 have been fired in
46 797 : Yeah, I totally second that. They have the money, they can do it. But if they don't focus on other things like the one you listed, it won't be worth
47 Pulkovokiwi : 797 I totally agree with you. In the sixties Italy had three great travel companies-Lloyd Triestino,Italian Line & Alitalia. The potential is there to
48 ComeAndGo : The flight is 13.30 hours from Milan to LA. They used the 767 to San Francisco and a combination of MD11 pax and MD11 combi to LA. I don't think the
49 BuyantUkhaa : Good connections form Sardinia to some overseas destinations are no essential right that taxpayers should finance. So that's not how PSO schemes were
50 ComeAndGo : In the off-season that's an overnight trip.
51 Post contains images 797 : Fortunately, I got to fly on two of their 777s and the entertainment system was superb. I got to choose from several recent movies and screens were p
52 BA757 : I think AZ have the best Business Class on European flights*, especially on the MD80's with the nice big seats. The food is great too - but this is I
53 ComeAndGo : When is the third satellite at T1 going to be finished at MXP ?
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