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753's And 739's At SNA?  
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
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I have a question that I had wondered about for several years. If SNA is just a popular destination both leisure and business, why doesn't any airline, namely CO, AS and NW, fly 753's and/or 739's into SNA?

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2405 times:
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753's/739's would probably have more restrictions with a 5700' runway if they have to go any type of distances such as IAH, SEA, EWR, and MSP. The 752's and 737's have less of an issue with weight restrictions.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Regarding the 739 Wedge, it would require severe weight restrictions. The problem with the 739 is an increased rotation speed due to A/C length. Same issue's with landing the 739. The A/C generally approaches at a higher speed and landing with a decreased angle to avoid tail strikes. Chances of AS flying 739 into SNA are virtually nil. Hope the explanation helps a little dude!


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User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Which leads to a couple of questions I have had for some time.

The following quotation is from the settlement agreement between the county and the City of Newport Beach and others:

"Total number of loading bridges not to exceed 14. No more than nine loading bridges may serve B767 aircraft - the design aircraft.

full text at

http://www.ocair.com/aboutJWA/settlement_agreement.htm

1. Could an airline get a B767 into SNA?
2. Could a B767 get out of SNA give the noise abatment takeoff and the 5700' runway and carry enough payload to make an airline money?

I doubt that the second one is possible but am looking for the views of people who have a lot more knowledge about it than I do.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24354 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 3):
1. Could an airline get a B767 into SNA?

Yes

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 3):
2. Could a B767 get out of SNA give the noise abatment takeoff and the 5700' runway and carry enough payload to make an airline money?

Yes. The 762 which was in mind back when the settlement agreement came about is quite a rocket.
At the time it was quite conceivable AA, DL, UA or even TW could run 762s into SNA if they wished.

Check out the photo database and you'll see Fedex operating widebodies (A310 & A300) in SNA. In addition UPS normally runs B757s to SNA, however a couple Christmas ago brought in a 767-300 also.



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

I don't know about now, but 6-7 years ago there were actually 767 lines painted at some of the gates...

User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Laxintl

Thanks for the answers. Living close to the flight line, approx. 2-5 miles away, it appears that the Fedex and UPS planes don't seem to follow the same takeoff profile. The air cargo planes seem to take off in a low steady climb as opposed to the pax jet. Do you know if the air cargo carriers get an exception to the crazy takeoff profile the pax jet need to fly?

If the expansion to 20 gates, with 2 gates capable of international travel, becomes a reality, I see AS flying to Canada and possibly Mexico (since AS already tried without an immigration hall). Do you see anyone else trying international travel from SNA?


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 6):

If SNA becomes a true international airport, I bet AS would start YVR-SNA the day after it was designated as international.

One of the more oddball stories in the history of AS was when they originally inaugurated SNA-YVR, and the aircraft took off from SNA enroute to Vancouver and was forced to turn around by the FAA due to SNA not being a true international airport.



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

I imagine Air Canada and Westjet would clamor for any open slots as well.

User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 8):
I imagine Air Canada and Westjet would clamor for any open slots as well.

They would have to join the waiting list of airlines, currently standing at 5, wanting to serve SNA.  eyepopping 


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2913 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

NH & JAS used to serve the old Hiroshima (HIW) with 763 & AB6, respectively. HIW only has a 1,800m (5,940 ft) runway with zero overrun & zero displaced threshold. Therefore should be no problem, though I doubt we will ever see pax 763 ops into SNA.

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