Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 40088 times:
Unconfirmed news on a german forum speak about an incident involving a LH 747-400 on its way to Dehli.
The aircraft was due to leave for take-off when the nose-gear collapsed. Passengers were inside the plane.
Confirmation as soon as available....
News fully confirmed. It is a Boeing 747-400, Flight No - LH-760 collapsed at Terminal 1 at Frankfurt airport, was at Gate No - A22. Aircraft Reg is D-ABTK. All pax safe and de-boarded. never heard of a nose-gear collapse on a B747-400 during pushback!!
ATclaudio From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 11 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 39734 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter): Unconfirmed news on a german forum speak about an incident involving a LH 747-400 on its way to Dehli.
The aircraft was due to leave for take-off when the nose-gear collapsed. Passengers were inside the plane.
Confirmation as soon as available....
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 39475 times:
So what do you think would be the safest / unsafest areas in the plane in such an event (nose gear collapse)?
I assume that different areas of the plane are highly different:
- right above the main landing gear, you'd hardly feel any movement at all. You'd even be perfectly safe without your seatbelt fastened
- in the extreme front, like the cockpit and the first rows in the nose, you'd first go down at an increseing speed, but your body would go down at the same speed as the plane below you. As the belly hits the ground, about 10 feet down, you'd be slammed into your seat but not any harder than regular turbulence would do
- the extreme rear is the most dangerous part, in my opinion: You'd first go up at an increasing rate, then the plane around you would stop, catapulting you up (and into the ceiling) when you're not buckled up.
What do you think?
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Aerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 39041 times:
Aircraft in question seems to be D-ABTK (MSN 29871) - thier second youngest 744. Hoep it is not a w/o, but having seen the pictures of the bent cargo plane they repaired I am quite optimistic it will fly again.
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 36811 times:
Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 8): 744 on terminal 1A? are you sure? If so, it's quite a rare site
Not really, the gates on the east side of concourse A are frequently used for 747 arrivals and departures (especially gates A63 and A65). However gate A22 is on the west side and not used for intercontinental flights (it would be A62 then I guess) so there must be a mistake.
I hope they can repair the damage. As somebody already mentioned, D-ABTK is still quite young, I had an enjoyable flight on that plane from SFO to FRA in 2003.
Does anyone have photos of the incident?
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 36008 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5): - the extreme rear is the most dangerous part, in my opinion: You'd first go up at an increasing rate, then the plane around you would stop, catapulting you up (and into the ceiling) when you're not buckled up.
What do you think?
IMO, I doubt it was violent enough to catapult someone into the ceiling. The nose gear was basically collapsing on itself so it's not as if it was a freefall.
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 35950 times:
Forum member "TheBoss" on airliners.de has now posted these screenshots:
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Dairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 34363 times:
Quoting 9V-SPF (Reply 9): However gate A22 is on the west side and not used for intercontinental flights (it would be A62 then I guess) so there must be a mistake.
of course A22/A62 is also used for intercontinental flights as well- not by 744, but regulary by 333 or 343.
Saturn5 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 34188 times:
Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 15): As to whether it is a write-off, this may depend whether the electronics bay has been severely damaged.
A write-off would only occur if aircraft was structurally damaged (and the age of the aircraft together with severity of the damage would dictate course of action), electronics bay really have nothing to do here. The electronic boxes can be easily replaced. Sounds like in this case the aircraft will have no problem flying again.
FlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 501 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 33904 times:
Quoting Dairy (Reply 14):
of course A22/A62 is also used for intercontinental flights as well- not by 744, but regulary by 333 or 343.
According to the picture it looks like the 744 is at gate A23.
Quoting Saturn5 (Reply 16): A write-off would only occur if aircraft was structurally damaged (and the age of the aircraft together with severity of the damage would dictate course of action), electronics bay really have nothing to do here. The electronic boxes can be easily replaced. Sounds like in this case the aircraft will have no problem flying again.
A write-off occurs, when the costs of repair lay beyond economical criteria, meaning if it were to cost more than the aircraft is actually worth.
Saturn5 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 33648 times:
Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 17): A write-off occurs, when the costs of repair lay beyond economical criteria, meaning if it were to cost more than the aircraft is actually worth
Correct, which in this particular case seems highly unlikely.
Scotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 546 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 31737 times:
If D-ABTK has soccerball painted on nose, maybe it is the main reason why this 744 nose gear collapsed. (maybe the paint is too heavy for her) lol
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Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28709 times:
One of the members in "airliners.de" forum reports about a pre-departure leack-check on the hydaulics of the front-gear.
The 747 seemingsly was not yet docked on the push-back truck.
It is not unusual to perform leak-checks prior to departure .We should know within the next days what has happened,but the structural damage is heavy.
In case the cell has been,bent,it could mean a write-off...
[Edited 2006-05-16 08:04:41]
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25 FlyDeltaJets: Are you people forgetting that there might have been a person in the hough. A 747 nose section is no that light and I dont believe that the roof of th
27 Vimanav: My deduction (assuming from the thread that the aircraft collapsed on the tow truck) is that the front edges of the tow truck punctured the fuselage
28 Aerosol: my deduction is that it aint got a soccer nose!
29 Musapapaya: The ability of LH Techniks to fix broken aircrafts is mighty. Remember they fixed one of the LH Cargo 747 which has a bent fuselage? I am kind of sure
30 Gkirk: Whilst LH will most likely have her flying again, I think a month might be too short a duration. Perhaps 2 months, with a specialist Boeing team doin
31 CluelessInFRA: Eye adjusted and locked! Ciao, Walter
33 Nimish: Heavy loads in Business and First cause this to happen?
34 NORTHSEATIGER: The KLM aircraft in the picture has not been repaired, that looks like a temporary repair so that the aircraft can be moved without causing the airfra
35 EK413: Let's hope "Alpha Bravo Tango Kilo' is'nt in the air in 1 month! I prefer she receives 1st class treatment and returns to revenue service when every c
36 JumboJim747: Thank god none of the crew where doing a walk around . Cheers
37 Vimanav: VH-OJK was in motion when she skidded off the runway and into a golf course. Obviously the damage is bound to be far higher than in the case of a sta
38 Cricket: My guess - too many well fed desis going back in the front of the plane Anyway, LH Technics deserves its reputation and VH-OJH made it back into the a
39 Glareskin: No wonder this happened if you see how Germans handle their 747's...
40 NORTHSEATIGER: Very good, like the bit at the end.
41 777DAD: "Ouch!" You guys are brutal. [Edited 2006-05-16 15:47:21]
42 PhilSquares: RUMOR ONLY!!! Spoke with a friend of mine who works at LH. Apparently, the incident did not happen during push back. Apparently, there was a hydraulic
43 TriStar500: Heard that from a different source too.
44 CluelessInFRA: Not during pushback: Just what my sources said! Rear end of pushback vehicle was hit badly, but almost no harm done to it. If it *had* happened during
45 HAWK21M: The Pic shows the NLG Pin Streamer.Was the Shear bolts Giving in a cause. regds MEL
46 CluelessInFRA: @Hawk21M: Close but no cigar (according to my sources). Bolt issue but not a bolt shear (again: accoring to my sources). Enough said ... wait for BFU
47 Poitin: A MUCH cheaper result. Maybe next time they will remember to use a jack. Sounds like someone REALLY screwed up.
48 TinkerBelle: Anybody remember UA's 744 sitting on it's ass in SFO a while back? Sounds to me like someone will be out of a job on this one.
49 CluelessInFRA: According to my sources everyone followed the procedures and rules. I just *suppose* there will be a BFU recommendation and/or a change of procedures
50 AirbusA346: The KL aircraft has been repaired and is flying. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2723128 See Reply 2. Tom.
51 Spootter10: Check this Link for a close-up photograph of the incident: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/712194/display/5684956
52 AirbusA346: " target=_blank>http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/my...84956 Thanks for the photos Tom.
53 Chiguire: If you have a close look at the engines....some cm more and they would have touched the ground ! I think in this case even the wings would have been
54 N774UA: If there were pax onboard, wouldn't it be a logical thing to evac the plane asap? I don't see any slides deployed. N774UA
58 Tugger: Is it my imagination or is the main gear door also damaged: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/712194/display/5685103 This is one of the pics f
59 764: I would guess that he underwing gear must have taken some damage, too. On the photo it looks to be the case for at least the starboard side. When the
60 Bennett123: Cricket Do you know if the Saudia aircraft was moved or whether it was scrapped in situ, presumably within weeks of the mishap. Thanks David
62 Trex8: anyone know whats happening to the 744F whose cargo door got blown open during testing at Boeing a month ago?? is it being repaired. Wonder if the cus
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