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Video Of AA Flt 77 To Be Released  
User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

On CNN now. Video of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon to be released.

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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17380 times:

A video other than the one that's already been released? If so, where was the camera?


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User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17380 times:

I just did a google news search, says it will be released at 1300EST

It's supposedly the one from the Sheraton Hotel across the street.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17282 times:

That'll put an end to the missle debate. Now if the Chemtrail clowns will go away....  Smile

User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17235 times:

Well, they've had 6 years to remake the video...  duck 



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17183 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
That'll put an end to the missle debate.

No it won't. It may even intensify the debate. The tin-hat crowd will just dismiss the video as a fake. That's the beauty of almost all conspiracy theories; they don't rely on evidence or logic. Anything contradictory can simply be dismissed as part of the conspiracy.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17131 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 5):
No it won't. It may even intensify the debate. The tin-hat crowd will just dismiss the video as a fake. That's the beauty of almost all conspiracy theories; they don't rely on evidence or logic. Anything contradictory can simply be dismissed as part of the conspiracy.

We can dream though. Don't ruin the dream man!!!!!!!!  Smile


User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17054 times:

Wanna bet on how long 'til someone relates the timing of this video's release to GWB's current low poll numbers?

User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16958 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
That'll put an end to the missle debate.

Wait, its that still being debated?


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16904 times:

Quoting L1329II (Reply 8):
Wait, its that still being debated?

In some peoples minds... In some peoples minds....  Smile


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16816 times:

The website that will be hosting the file has crashed (likely due to everyone logging on to it). Likely will not be up rest of day.

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16787 times:

Quoting L1329II (Reply 8):
Wait, its that still being debated?

The debate AFAIK is that if it was really a missile, what happened to that AA flight and its passengers?



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16713 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 11):
The debate AFAIK is that if it was really a missile, what happened to that AA flight and its passengers?

Aliens zapped them out of the sky.  Smile


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16713 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 11):
The debate AFAIK is that if it was really a missile, what happened to that AA flight and its passengers?

It sure is interesting that none of the conspiracy theorists have pursued that question. Seems to me if I wanted to prove that flight didn't hit the Pentagon, the very first thing I'd do is look for evidence of what happened to that airplane and those people instead. (Maybe they *have* pursued it, but not publicized it much, most likely because they don't have anything?)


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1274 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16551 times:

The passenger debate was settled years ago.....They were spirited away by black helicopters to work in the mushroom mines of Pennsylvania so that production of magic mushrooms could be increased to feed the poor, starving, innocent alter boys at Gitmo........ crackup 

User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16485 times:

MSNBC said that the video had been leaked in past by Judicial Watch.org I googled it but couldn't find it... Also if you want to see what the conspiracy theorists are punting around these days I suggest

www.freepressinternational.com

it has whole sections devoted to 9/11 and everyone's favorite conspiracy the truth behind DIA!!! (dramatic music starts)

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-Carl



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16453 times:

Is there are mirror site yet? My computer won't load the CNN bullshit media player...

User currently offlineDesh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16427 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1861977.stm

BBC says these are newly released pics

"
A sequence of five newly-released pictures shows the moment a hijacked American Airlines plane slammed into the Pentagon on 11 September, 2001.

"

I still cant see a plane - can anyone help ... or are the photos spaced such that none captured the plane ?

Disclaimer - this has nothing to do with conspiracy theory or nothing - am just curious ...



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16410 times:

Seen those pics lots of times before.
They aint new


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16391 times:

Quoting Desh (Reply 17):
BBC says these are newly released pics

The BBC is wrong. Those are frames from the film that's been around for a long time.



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User currently offlineDesh From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16391 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 18):
Seen those pics lots of times before.
They aint new

My bad - just checked the date on the pafe - its March 8, 2002 - I just assumed that the page was recent since they had linked it to the main page - www.bbc.com

Guess these were new as of March 8, 2002.

Sorry about that ....



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16311 times:

Saw the video, still can't see a 757???  confused 


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User currently offlineTransAmerican From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16311 times:

Despite Desh's mistake, going by what's being played on CNN International at the moment, the sensational 'new' footage that we've all been so interested in seeing is in fact just a re-release of the same images with a couple of extra frames thrown in.

No sign of a 757 there at all unfortunately, so unlikely to satisfy conspiracy theorists.

To make matters worse, the only sign of any "flying objects" heading for the Pentagon is a small long blip which appears on the right side of the screen in the frame before the explosion. Unfortunately, it looks like no part of a 757, and in fact could easily be construed as being a "missile-like object" by anyone who might wish to draw that conclusion, however ridiculous it may be.

Not sure what all the fuss is about, given that these images were publicly available over three years ago.



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16185 times:

Frankly, until I actually see multiple videos from the traffic cameras and the gas station and the hotel all showing an American 757 crashing into the building, not hitting the ground, chopping the light poles down like trees and not cartwheeling into the ground like George Bush Sr.'s private jet did a few months before 9/11 upon approach to Texas, until they show what happened to the two engines of the 757, the tail, etc, until they show us pictures of the remains of the people onboard being removed from the "crash site" and until they explain why a cruise missile sized hole is the only hole found on the side of the Pentagon hit and not a large airliner sized hole and two holes for the engines, not to mention the huge wingspan... *inhale* I will simply NOT believe what everyone is being expected to believe. There's a difference between conspiracy theorists and critical thinkers. Frankly, the US government hasn't proven to me (or a lot of other folks living outside the USA) beyond a reasonable doubt that what they claim happened actually did happen.

Which is also why - let the flaming begin - I refuse to watch United 93. I don't deny that it was probably a well made movie and gripping, but as to its basis on actual events? I'm not convinced. Hate me for thinking that if you will, but that's how I honestly feel.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16111 times:

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 23):

Like you i have some doubts over AA77
The hole is WAY to small, and how a plane could have hit RIGHT at the building and not before, well, they were not proper trained pilots, and im sure a trained pilot would of had trouble keeping a plane going that fast, and that hevey so level so low, well
FLAME AWAY


25 Metsfan1 : Ah so that is how you feel. I work across the street from the WTC site. Saw the airplanes hit and saw, felt, heard and smelled the collapse of the bui
26 Stirling : If anyone has ever seen pictures of the EL AL 747 cargo plane that crashed into an Amsterdam apartment building, you will notice something very simila
27 MtnWest1979 : But even if this was something other than what was sold...I mean told...to the public, what happened to the plane and folks then?
28 Jpdflymhtmlb : I'd love to see you two make your case before the families of not only the people who were on those flights that day, but also of those who lost thei
29 DeltaDC9 : Exactly, add to that the fact that the part of the building hit was just rebuilt to withstand attack. Kevlar reinforced walls, hardened windows, and
30 Mustang304 : Has anyone else seen a video of the F4 phantom being slammed into a wall at 500 mph? The test was to see if the concrete on nuclear power plants can t
31 Dr.DTW : Just watched the video.. I didn't see a 757...did anyone ???
32 Travelin man : Exactly. In order to assume what happened on September 11 did not happen, you would have to explain: Where the plane(s) went, why passengers called t
33 Vlada : I saw the video on BBC World just now - didn't see the plane. Although, they have said on BBC that the video was "jumpy" since it was a Pentagon surv
34 Jtamu97 : We also have to remember the Value Jet DC-9 that impacted the Everglades. Everyone was told there was a plane crash, but initially all everyone saw wa
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not even funny . . . not even close. Lose any family or friends on 9/11??? The conspiracy theorist idiots deserve no quarter and no ear . . . What ki
36 DeltaDC9 : TIVO it and go frame by frame, you can see it. You must remember that those cameras take very few frames per minute muchless second, and the plane wa
37 BritPilot777 : It does seem a little odd that not even a part of the 757 is caught on camera, it is also weird that the frame before the explosion you can see someth
38 Stirling : I don't have a clue as to what you just said......Did you proof-read it before posting?
39 ANCFlyer : Jeezus Tap Dancing Christ - here we go . . . That seems weird, There's no plane, The camera was not focused. Good God people . . . . How many more eye
40 DeltaDC9 : Compare the feet per second the plane was traveling to the frames per second of a security camera and the length of the plane, and the answer will un
41 Christeljs : If AA77 was shot down, wouldn't there be any witnesses? I think so...
42 Heathrow : that was NOT a 757! way too small
43 Post contains links Irobertson : Of course I believe the buildings fell, of course I believe the planes crashed into them. But I don't believe that because of the planes alone that t
44 D950 : If a B-52 crashed into the Empire State Building, trust me , it would come down. I think it was a B-25
45 Christeljs : I don't believe the US government for 1 second either. You saw what they made from 'TWA 800'. I won't even dive into there.
46 DeltaDC9 : They rebuilt the Pentagon one facet at a time, and that facet was just completed, If they had hit a yet to be completed facet, the damage would have
47 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Umm okay hero . . . . Here's your answer. They started reconstruction on the side of the building in 2000, with a 10 year plan to reinforce the entir
48 BritPilot777 : It just made me think, im still sure it was a 757 that went into the building, after all i'm no expert, and the same goes for all of us. BP777 and No
49 Post contains links Drinkstrolley : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4987716.stm
50 Irobertson : I stand corrected on that one. I still don't stand convinced though. I'm not just going to blindly believe whatever the US administration says like i
51 Braniff727 : It wasn't the two aircraft that brought down the towers. It was the fire from the almost completely full fuel tanks burning at several thousand degre
52 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Laughable, utterly totally, uncontrollably laughable . . . . Did you not watch any television that day????? Incredible, laughable, utterly . . . simp
53 Iluv747400 : No other building has had a planeload of jetfuel in it to fuel the fires. Are you an expert on steel and building construction? I'm convinced the man
54 Irobertson : Okay I just watched this, that camera has a hell of alot higher frame rate than what we're seeing. You can see when there's a bit of smooth frames, t
55 DeltaDC9 : First of all brainiac, it was a B-25 in the 40's coming in for a landing with little fuel, and if you have that so wrong, how can you even believe yo
56 Post contains links Drinkstrolley : Not entirely relevant, but United Flight 93 ATC recording is here:- http://www.airdisaster.com/download2/ua93.shtml Makes for an interesting listen.
57 Galapagapop : Well next time terrorist decide to attack the US (or the actors in your case), We'll have them call you and you can see how real it is for yourself?
58 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Well, where do you thik the HIGHWAY cameras might have been focused during rush hour up I-395 on that morning? Perhaps on the HIGHWAY and not on E-Ri
59 DeltaDC9 : Proove it. Proove it.
60 Travelin man : You have people telling you they SAW AA77 hit the Pentagon, and yet the argument is still "frames might be missing blah blah blah." People SAW and HE
61 Seanp11 : I frankly do not expect to see anything that looks like a 757 anyways. What are the chances that a 60fps camera, filming a 1000 foot area is going to
62 UK_Dispatcher : Well, I guess I'll be rubbished just for having the 'audacity' to yet be convinced... but I am yet to be convinced. I can not see a B757 or anything t
63 Irobertson : Where do you think the I-395 is? Next to the E-ring...?!? The aircraft had to pass OVER the I-395 in order to hit the building. The video would have
64 Seanp11 : You don't have to melt the steel, just weaken it to the point where the building loses structural integrity. And the floors beams in the WTC were tru
65 FLALEFTY : This video quality is on par with the fuzzy, low-frame-rate images from video tapes showing c-store robbers. But after repeating the sequence a few ti
66 DeltaDC9 : You know nothing of structural engineering or physics. I can soften structural steel in a coal fire! The steel did not melt, the area around the bolt
67 Post contains links Travelin man : All of these people apparently were lying too: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
68 DeltaDC9 : Proove it. I have a picture of Bush pushing a explosives plunger in front of Tower 2. I admit it, now can we lock this thread?
69 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Oh dear, I could see this coming a mile off. This conspiracy BS gets old very fast. Two most sensible comments in the thread
70 Atmx2000 : People should compare the dimensions of the "missile" that they claim to see to the height of the pentagon at the impact in the footage and ask themse
71 LMP737 : Well then I guess AA is in on the conspiracy as well. Afterall they collected the insurance on it and no one has seen 5BP since then. And one last th
72 DeltaDC9 : Welcome to my respected users list.
73 Post contains links ANCFlyer : It was frackin' old five years ago. Ha Ha Ha Ignorance at it's finest. . . quick answer is YES!!! Since the building is 5 sided don't you think E-RIN
74 Post contains links Travelin man : This is another site that has some compelling evidence that AA77 did indeed hit the Pentagon (if anyone STILL needs convincing). It includes eye witne
75 DeltaDC9 : It is easier for people like this to believe that these things simply cannot happen than to believe that no matter what we do, we will be attacked ju
76 CF188A : This topic is turning into a disaster people. All i AM GOING TO SAY IS THIS.... we all saw, AA 11 and UA175 fly into the World Trade Centers on 9.11.0
77 DeltaDC9 : Please lock this thread.....
78 LMP737 : Like so many conspiracy theorists you leave out important information. Like the fact that both towers were hit by aircraft heavy with fuel and travel
79 Saturn5 : People who believe in this "missile" theory are about the same people who think that US never landed a man on the Moon because when N.Armstrong was st
80 MD80fanatic : Why lock this thread? I'd like to hear more of what everyone thinks. Too bad the other thread was closed due to a few people's anger. We need to be ad
81 Post contains images Christeljs : Why? If you dislike it so much, don't click it
82 Atmx2000 : On the highways around the Pentagon, people stuck in traffic saw the AA aircraft flying low overhead prior to impact.
83 MD80fanatic : Like, for instance, how can a very high speed airliner (especially one with a very large wing area) maintain level when travelling well overspeed (450
84 Post contains links and images Zone1 : How many buildings have had catastrophic damage to their superstructure with jet fuel burning on multiple floors? It is fairly simple. The plane dest
85 TinPusher007 : Ok, they saw them, but no camera could? You mean to tell me there is no other surveillance in and around the Pentagon other than those 5 frames that
86 Coa747 : In a static fire perhaps but this was anything but. The fire was sheared increasing the surface area that was available to burn. Add in the pressure
87 Saturn5 : I am glad you say "think" rather than "I know for fact". No, you have misconception about the ground effect and how strongly it influences aerodynami
88 TinPusher007 : All due respect to your feeelings and that of your friend, you are totally out of line with your comments. He in no way disrespected anyone who lost
89 CF188A : the same people who are so knowledgeable on aviation? Like they just drive by and see a plane flying at 500 knots.... sorry? not even going to argue
90 Thegooddoctor : They were transferred to the North Pole - there was an elf shortage as toy building capacity was exceeded by the sharp increase in the number of chil
91 Post contains links and images CMHSRQ : This was supposedly created by a rock 150 feet across travelling at 25,000-40,000 mph. However because we do not have clear video of the impact I fee
92 IFEMaster : If there was disrespected users list, you'd be at the top. Unfortunately, even if the government did release video footage and pictures and audio, yo
93 Traineepilot : I have just watched the conspiracy video poster earlier. I have to admit, it has definately made me think about a few things. Some of it is probably o
94 Saturn5 : Oh, I am absolutely positive if you with your infinite wisdom were in the government before 9/11 none of that would have happened.
95 Atmx2000 : Because a group sued to be allowed to release it. Why would they need that footage to make a conclusive determination of what happened? There were pl
96 Seanp11 : Welcome to my ru list. Hopefully you won't you banned.
97 ComeAndGo : The WTC had a different design than a classic steel high rise. The outer walls carried the entire building. There were no columns within the structur
98 INDIANABRIDOU : Watched it I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm clever enough not to believe everything our gouvernments say, but honestly, who the hell saw a 757??
99 AA777 : Where's the evidence? Where are the pieces of AA77? Calling people who disagree with you "idiots" does nothing to pad your own credibility. Those "vi
100 ANCFlyer : Only the hundred or so commuters on Virginia Hwy 27 and I- 395 . . . next stupid question????
101 Traineepilot : How about the other hundred or so commuters on that exact same highway that said they saw an aircraft that was small, military like!
102 MD80fanatic : Thanks Saturn5 for the reasoned reply. I hope no one is banned for anything here. Even though emotions run high on this subject....we really must try
103 TinPusher007 : Your true colors really shine through. Maybe you didn't notice the beginning of my post that said "ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOUR FEELINGS" yet, you would h
104 IFEMaster : Several thousand eye witness. A missing 757. ATC records that record the process. Phone calls made from passengers on the plane. PLENTY of evidence.
105 TinPusher007 : You probably voted for Bush, didn't you?
106 LMP737 : AA777: Your profile says you want to work for AA someday. Are you sure you want to work for a company that collected the insurance on that aircraft an
107 Dogfighter2111 : Heya, I have just watched the footage from BBC, which is MUCH clearer than the CNN one. Now, for everyone that has seen it and doesn't think it is a B
108 IFEMaster : Then answer my original question. Are you calling all the many many MANY MANY eyewitnesses liars?
109 AA777 : Excuse me, where did I say that I believed either side of this debate. Read my post again and re-think you silly comments. -AA777
110 HZ747300 : " target=_blank>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/91....html I don't think those people were lying, but I don't think they are sure what they saw. Aft
111 INDIANABRIDOU : I'm dissapointed ANCFLYER, I've seen better/cleverer remarks from you. Perfect forum ping-pong..and proves my point....doubts exist, Cheers What abou
112 LMP737 : Well you need to be a bit more clear on what side of the "debate" you take. Becasue the way it sounded to me you have taken one side of it.
113 Post contains links Travelin man : Please see: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/...1_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html There are pics of the 757s wheels, engine, and even part of the
114 TinPusher007 : There are other witnesess who said it looked like a small fighter jet, a corporate jet and a missile. Video cameras don't lie, people do unfortunatel
115 ComairGuyCVG : There was a show on the National Geographic Channel a couple of weeks ago on flight 77. I believe it was in the "Seconds From Disaster" series and tal
116 Atmx2000 : If you were from DC, you would know that the Pentagon is not in DC but in Arlington, VA. OK, if the government were going to drive a military plane i
117 TinPusher007 : Im sorry, but to say that your explaination expalins why it MUST have been an AA 757 wouldn't pass for evidence in court on Ally McBeal. AA 11 and UA
118 ComeAndGo : I'm not an explosives expert. To me it looks like a fuel bomb. A missile or cruise missile has different chemicals as explosives and thus the explosi
119 Traineepilot : Im just trying to even out the debate, but at the same time, why wouldnt they? I have seen some of the photographs of the Pentagon, and there just do
120 Post contains images Dogfighter2111 : Different types of camera. The camera at the pentagon had a 'refresh rate', unlike others used for movies, and personal effect. The one at the Pentag
121 TinPusher007 : If there are all these hundreds of witnesses than there was more than one camera that captured it all. That is the main point Im getting at, not so mu
122 Saturn5 : And it is a very weak point. How many casual passer-byers you would need per one camera ready to shoot something so quick? I think you would need a f
123 Travelin man : It's because the "sceptics" offer no answers to any of the very logical questions they should be answering: What happened to AA77, if it did not cras
124 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : Sorry - let me try that again:
125 MD80fanatic : BTW, saying something like....."if it wasn't a 757, then where is AA77?" is not a very reasonable mode of argumentation. You are asking people to try
126 MtnWest1979 : I was referring to that IF it was a conspiracy, as many oddly think, what do THEY think happened to the pax and aircraft, if it didn't crash into the
127 TinPusher007 : IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITH CAMERAS, IM TALKING ABOUT ALL THE MANY CAMERAS AROUND THE PENTAGON!!! Do you not agree that there are at least more
128 Post contains links and images MD80fanatic : Well, here's a snap taken a few moments after the impact. I guess there WAS someone nearby with a nice high-resolution camera. {CLICK to expand - way
129 Travelin man : Hmmm... Kind of like you can't say "since there is no clear video of AA 77 flying into the Pentagon, it did not happen."
130 AA777JFKLHR : Well if my 757 didnt crash into the pentagon, I would like to know where it is. Loads are heavy over the summer I could use a 757 back.
131 MD80fanatic : I never said it did not happen (that would also be improper since I was not there). But I will suspend my disbelief until I see the Citgo or Sheraton
132 Saturn5 : Maybe 50 maybe 20 maybe 10, who knows. But most of them probably had any view on the situation. If you can't tell the difference between chance of so
133 Irobertson : I said I wouldn't post on this thread again but I feel compelled to stick up for a few other people on here who have done the unthinkable and questio
134 Boeing Nut : See next two responses. I got a newsflash for you. Just because he was a private pilot doesn't mean he knows every aircraft out there. I know people
135 YUAMB : Im not questioning the fact that a 757 crashed into the building, but as a country that counts itself as one of the most developed in the world, with
136 ComeAndGo : The explosion is that of fuel (red) and not that of a missile (grey). If you look at the pictures posted above there's too much metal debris to be a
137 HZ747300 : He probably chose to have no influence on the decision and left it to the people running the investigation. The US government was better served to no
138 TinPusher007 : My point exactly. Ditto. If I anyone can answer these posts intelligently without namecalling, Im all ears. And please don't answer it with a questio
139 Seanp11 : See, the problem is everybody has watched too many movies where an explosion results in a huge fireball. If a missile hit the pentagon, I doubt there
140 Irobertson : I find this posting more constructive and convincing than calling people f***ing stupid.
141 CF188A : well i have a personal for you...... I am not going to believe some immature adult individual on a forum either. Maybe he is one of those guys who re
142 Fewsolarge : The acrimony on both sides is disappointing.
143 Post contains images EK345 : I must say both sides have very compelling arguments! (except for the name calling of course) EK345
144 KGAI : I don't need to see the videos to know that it was AA77 that hit the Pentagon. I do not even think it's the US government's responsibility to "prove"
145 Aeroplan73 : Conspiracy or not, it is a bit odd that no other videos are made available. If the government wanted to put this whole thing to rest, why not just sh
146 TPASXM787 : You're fucking stupid. Much above that you have posted is flat factually wrong, like that B-52 that crashed into the Empire State Building in the 50s
147 Post contains links Stealthpilot : Let me first clarify that I do not believe in the conspiracy theory; 3,047 innocent people lost their lives during the attacks (according to september
148 Skywriter : If I may, I'd like to just fire another missile, as it were, into this long-dead horse. I don't dispute that 9/11 was the work of Islamist terrorists.
149 Jeb94 : While watching the news reports covering this I remember seeing all kinds of evidence of an aircraft being pulverized when it impacted a reinforced bu
150 Socalfive : All I can say is it must take a hell of a pilot to fly that plane at full throttle, a 180 degree bank to the left and hit that building without first
151 Socalfive : I don't agree with the 757 hitting the building but... PERFECTLY articulated and dead-on target post, Thank you Skywriter.
152 Jeb94 : A hell of a pilot or one that is right on the edge of control and is totally insane. You can see the blured shape skip off the ground right in front o
153 Irobertson : I already said that I stood corrected on this issue. I'm not the only one to think it was a B-52 and more than likely its just a case of someone at s
154 Threepoint : This is addressed to ANCFlyer, DeltaDC9 and to IFEMaster. I'm not picking sides in this debate, but I will point out one glaring observation. When rep
155 Jeb94 : Um...Threepoint, I mean no offense but is it possible that the three people who have responded are frustrated and have close emotional ties to the eve
156 AA777 : Listen, you may feel very free to try and downplay what I know by naming silly details like that. But it doesnt change the fact that from the pentago
157 GQfluffy : A B-52 isn't THAT big. And with the way the Empire State Building is built...I highly doubt it...
158 Jascmil : I was in total agreement with you until you got to that point. September 11th had nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans. In fact, you were the
159 Coa747 : Who said there was no evidence of ground scars outside the Pentagon. As I recall seconds from disaster clearly showed pictures of ground scars from th
160 Post contains links Bohlman : Am I really the only person who reads the date as 9/12/01 and the times as 5 in the afternoon on http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1861977.stm ?
161 RiddlePilot215 : I'm the king of petty comments, and even I think this thread needs to be locked. Granted there have been many valid arguements made those supporting t
162 Aeroplan73 : That is very bizarre. Goes to show just how many things people miss when they are focused on one issue.
163 Post contains images MD80fanatic : Actually it wasn't a serious problem with brain power, it was a severe lack of time (was late for work) preventing me from fully understanding your q
164 Post contains images UK_Dispatcher : Ignorant. Ignorant. You owned that B757? Gosh. Or is that a subtle way of saying 'hey everyone - I work for American Airlines'. I don't usually do th
165 ANCFlyer : unthinkable - that's right for sure - those that quetion the FACTS are no thinking that's for gawddamn sure . . . . they should go back to smoking wh
166 Seanp11 : I'd say, if anything, the clock in the camera was off. I doubt it means anything.
167 Threepoint : Skywriter, You have made one of the most eloquent posts I have ever read on this forum. Nicely done.
168 JBirdAV8r : I don't know who told you there were no ground hits, but there was definitely ground scarring along the flight path. Also, it took out a few light po
169 Threepoint : No offense taken my friend, but frustration or mourning are no excuses for the behaviour displayed by these posters. ANCFlyer, I stand by my original
170 Jeb94 : Very well done Skywriter. There are a lot of people on both sides of most of the hot issues in this great country that could do well reading and doing
171 Post contains images Silver1SWA : I just have a few things to say. This is a long thread and I will admit I have not had time to read it entirely. I am sick of the conspiracy theories,
172 ComeAndGo : Maybe you remember the news that fighter jets were scrambled to intercept any other aircraft. There was also news at the time that more planes are co
173 Jeb94 : Investigation takes time. Its irresponsible to come right out and dismiss something early in the investigation when it is still underway. With TWA800
174 ANCFlyer : As well it damned well should in this case . . . Conspiracy Theorists on this subject deseve no respect, no ear . . . and those that sympathize or gi
175 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : Once again, with feeling... ...this piece of an American Airlines B-757 laying on the grass next to the Pentagon, part of the American livery clearly
176 Lexer : Yessir...spot on. Where does all that confusion come from. I'd say that a deep desire for the truth shows respect for the people who died. If anythin
177 Keesje : EA CO AS the area was covered with remains of the 757, don't waste time. Conspiracy theorists will find a conspiracy theory to dismiss any prove that
178 Post contains images CF188A : Yuo should retire your account asap. Along with every other immature individual who cannt keep common self respect when in these forums. You make you
179 OHLHD : But why do you see the impact by wings in the WTC than???
180 Skywatch : It was definitely a Boeing 757. I have seen some of the conspiracy theories that call it a missile, and the new video even makes it look like one. I w
181 Patches : jees, whats with the brits and the canucks. What is it going to take to convince you cats that a goddang 757 hit the pentagon. Whats so hard about fig
182 CF188A : What you just said makes no sense what so ever. You are branding Canadians and British saying we are the only ones who dont believe an aircraft hit t
183 Dtwclipper : Two different construction techniques. The apartment building in Amsterdam was a concrete design, the WTC light weight metal and glass.[Edited 2006-0
184 OHLHD : Thank you!
185 Starlionblue : Actually, I found it pretty funny. That may make me a bit insensitive, but humor is a nice catharsis. Besides, he was poking fun at the very people y
186 Post contains images DeltaDC9 : Yes there were. Sorry, my mistake. Do you really think its OK to say anything you want if you preface it with that? TIVO it and go frame by frame. It
187 Post contains images Boeing Nut : That is an issue that you'll have to deal with on your own. I can't help you there. You mean inconsistent eyewitness accounts are more beneficial tha
188 MD80fanatic : Since 9-11, one glaring observation can be accurately made. The proportion of those who aren't comfortable with the mainstream account of that day to
189 Milesrich : One of the lies that conspiracy theorists spread about this crash is that there were no identifiable pieces of the plane left, which is just not true.
190 DeltaDC9 : I believe it was the result of a lawsuit. This has nothing to do with Bush.
191 Checksixx : Well first off ANCFlyer...your only showing your unprofessionalism by your replies. Secondly, most people with common sense here have only stated the
192 B777fan : ... Your post was quite a relief from reading all the tin foil hat wearers. Thanks
193 ANCFlyer : Opinions vary. Yes you can, slow it down ,frame by frame. Or don't, I don't care really. The fact is the plane was moving at over 500 mph, and I don'
194 Daz34 : anybody know if the familys and loved ones of the people that died were asked whether they wanted video images released of there loved ones dying ? co
195 DeltaDC9 : Some people can not comprehend that there are people with this in mind in DC. There are.
196 MD80fanatic : I think a well placed disclaimer would suffice. Noone would be forced to view it. Coming up on critical midterm elections, I think it has something t
197 DeltaDC9 : To me, if Bush had anything to do with this, it was to order that it not be fought in court and result in the GOP looking bad. I think one thing that
198 Daz34 : id imagine it would be hard not to view it when its all over the t.v , papers internet etc
199 Seanp11 : Nah, he's got the NSA spying and the Valerie Plame scandal to worry about. I don't think the american people (for the most part) have many doubts abo
200 MD80fanatic : The thing is that 9-11 was the "primary mover" that led to the NSA dealie and the Plame affair.....so of course 9-11 is of critical importance. If 9-1
201 DeltaDC9 : Actually, they have made an affort to not show that footage. You really dont see it much.
202 Post contains images Jamie757 : Do you know anything about CCTV systems? Ever heard of a multiplexer? Rgds.
203 MIAMIx707 : You'd be surprised at how many of them aren't exactly airplane nerds like most of us in this site. I've been asked by a pilot.. "what kind of plane i
204 DeltaDC9 : The more frames, the more storage needed also. That is the reason for the low resolution and low number of frames. Also, cheaper equipment means more
205 Crogalski : Hey guys, I'm sorry if this was already answered, but I'm just curious.. These hijackers weren't that skilled of pilots, correct? So I'm just curious
206 Irobertson : Yes I have already retracted this comment twice now. Please read the posts above before continuing to hack me to pieces for my mistake. I believe tha
207 MD80fanatic : We are not talking about a novelty store with normal business hours, using a camera that shoots 1 frame every five seconds. This is the numero uno mil
208 IFEMaster : This is such a pathetic response, given the level of my own personal emotional involvement of that day, an emotion that clearly you know zilch about,
209 YYZYYT : I am responding to all of the below posters, and others as well (I gave up at around post 92...) Do you all realize that by engaging with these nuts y
210 MD80fanatic : I wanted to mention this earlier but forgot. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think ANC is, in a round-about way, equating conspiracy theorists with ter
211 Post contains images CF188A : Videos that do INDEED exist or your right... did exist, because they would have been destroyed to cover up whatever is not meant for us to see... You
212 Jtdieffen : I honestly hate to become involved in this, as no one is going to change their mind one way or the other, but I thought I'd put this out there: We kno
213 Starlionblue : Apologies for that. I will admit to scanning all the posts rather rapidly. Well if it the APU, fine. But who has "determined" that it's a small engin
214 ANCFlyer : Incorrect. I know the difference . . . do you think my thought processes so elementary that I can't distinguish between the two? The conspiracy theor
215 Post contains images Seanp11 : But I like to argue...... Its not like these cameras would normally need to have the high speeds to pick up a clear image of AAL77. Yes, its the most
216 Travelin man : I just question WHY everyone thinks that there HAS to be other video evidence that the government is hiding (for some reason that nobody has yet to cl
217 Daz34 : nobody said they do own it! your kind of missing the point! maybe you would feel differently if it was your mother daughter wife husband brother son
218 Boeing Nut : There is a saying that if you tell someone something that isn't true long enough they start to believe it....... I know this post will get responded
219 Checksixx : [quote=ANCFlyer,reply=198]Quoting Checksixx (Reply 196): Well first off ANCFlyer...your only showing your unprofessionalism by your replies. Opinions
220 Starlionblue : I can understand your position, but using censorship for the purpose of not hurting people's feelings is a slippery slope. In this case, I don't feel
221 C5onknees : My Co-Pilot today was a guy who worked AT the Pentagon on that day... from what he told me it was'nt a 757 that hit the Pentagon. Tell me this... how
222 IFEMaster : Well I have a friend who was IN the Pentagon on that day and watched the plane approach from the window outside his office. He knows it was a 757. As
223 C5onknees : He was IN the Pentagon as well.
224 Jaysit : That hole is on the INNER wall of the pentagon - not the outer wall where the 757 first hit. The wreckage created a path right through the building a
225 IFEMaster : Then the statements of the two are as valid as each other. One says it was a 757, and the other says it wasn't. How does your friend explain the scuf
226 Daz34 : i feel its justified because this video (clips) doesnt seem to serve a purpose, they dont dismiss the claims of a missile(i doubt it is) but the clip
227 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Time for a different approach..... I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind... So what's it like for you and you "co-pilot" when you fly th
228 Dtwclipper : Tell, me does this make you feel somehow very superior? By the way, work on your contractions....you have the apostrophe in the wrong place!
229 Post contains images IFEMaster : Didn't one of them post a diagram at everythingisaconspiracyandweareright.com on how to make one out of Reynold's Wrap?
230 IFEMaster : I wouldn't worry about it. He's probably busy battoning down his mountainfolk ranch in D.F.E. and realigning his cross hairs for when "the invasion"
231 YYZYYT : stop responding to them and they will eventually go away!
232 Post contains links and images Jamesbuk : Hey guys and gals I have to admit i havent read the whole thread, but i was examining the first and second photo of the pentagon and i noticed that in
233 Post contains images Seanp11 : IMO, the presence of debris and the scuff mark is much stronger evidence for the 757 than any number of eyewitness accounts. But then again, I am som
234 ComeAndGo : Yes, but … if you look at the images released you see a big red ball of fire. That's consistent with fuel burning. A missile strike would result in
235 Aileron11 : The hijacked pilot had every intention in crashing that plane, so he did not care how he flew. Also, flying two feet above the ground or how ever clo
236 Irobertson : Has anyone considered whether or not an aircraft going 500 miles per hour could make a high speed 270 degree turn over washington without over-G-ing
237 DeltaDC9 : Don't forget they trained on actual 757/767 flight simulators.
238 IFEMaster : Well spotted, I didn't notice that, I think probably because I was expecting the aircraft to approach from a slightly more perpendicular angle. It's
239 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Hmm...maybe the fact that it deals with THE PENTAGON? Think about that. And if that only video of the first crash was captured using government equip
240 Dtwclipper : Many things in life are "unbelieveable"[sic] but that does not make them untrue. So many things in our history are so frightening, that they just can
241 Post contains links and images MD80fanatic : No I think your thought processes are advanced and usually can agree with you. However, the repeated use of the phrase I referrenced reminded me of w
242 ComairGuyCVG : I say again.....
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