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Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Ryanair will give away 100,000 free flights should Germany score against England at the World Cup. The article says that is targeting LH.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/15/rya.....html?partner=airlines_newsletter

Crazy ah?


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

With FR's fees & charges and taxes the tickets won't be free at all. And I would always prefer to pay the remaining difference for being able to take off and land at primary airports and for knowing that LH would manage to offer an acceptable alternative plus compensation if anything goes wrong.


PH



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Why crazy?

It's good for us passengers, and it's good for the industry as a whole. This will show that most carriers cannot copy Ryanair, who's profit is still there, while offering free flights every week. Their businessplan is solid like a rock. I'm happy more and more carriers are changing strategies. Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

I've booked them now for almost every weekend till december, perfect! A seat is a seat, and don't expect anything else... ( How can you for only 25 cents..)

KL911



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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

There should be automatic ban on FR threads and their "free flights", it has been discussed a million times before.

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
With FR's fees & charges

All carriers collect taxes and charges anyway. I don't see what the problem is. It's exactly the same as redeeming frequent flyer miles for "free" flights. The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges. "Free" simply means that one does not pay the base fare.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
This will show that most carriers cannot copy Ryanair, who's profit is still there, while offering free flights every week.

I'm glad many airlines don't copy that cheap model.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
I'm happy more and more carriers are changing strategies.

If all LCCs lower their service level to that of FR's then it's not the customers who benefit.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

It's much more important how the airlines handle problems - and FR is definitely one of the worst carriers in that regard. I'd always prefer to pay some more money for knowing the airline will fly me to my destination even if something goes wrong. Stranding in the middle of nowhere may easily drive up overall costs and results in major inconvenience.

I wouldn't mind at all how FR treats passengers - but its strong position may force more and more carriers to follow with decreasing basic services.


PH



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User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair.


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
All carriers collect taxes and charges anyway. I don't see what the problem is. It's exactly the same as redeeming frequent flyer miles for "free" flights. The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges. "Free" simply means that one does not pay the base fare.

It's just cheap advertising, if they praise their "free flights" then should grant "free" flights. The problem is many people get the impression of getting a "great deal" even if they have to pay extra fees and taxes. It turns their attention away from rather fair offers of other airlines (e.g. LH's 109 Euro deals) where taxes and fees are already included, as well as the certainty of being carried to the destination (or getting compensation) if something goes wrong.

My criticism of the "free ticket ads" is not only aimed at FR, I'd like to add.


PH



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

More free advertising for FR. Why hasn't the media figured it out yet??

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
It's much more important how the airlines handle problems - and FR is definitely one of the worst carriers in that regard. I'd always prefer to pay some more money for knowing the airline will fly me to my destination even if something goes wrong. Stranding in the middle of nowhere may easily drive up overall costs and results in major inconvenience.

And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business. Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

Quoting ANother (Reply 8):
More free advertising for FR. Why hasn't the media figured it out yet??

Exactly. Part of a great businessplan...



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

True, but not everyone flies to uncongested airports. You can't compare OTP at FRA with OTP at Hahn - sorry, not the same thing.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 10):
True, but not everyone flies to uncongested airports. You can't compare OTP at FRA with OTP at Hahn - sorry, not the same thing.

I know, but the fact is, the pax has the choice to fly there, if they do, it's good. I just want to say that if you fly from A to B on a short flight, comfort does'nt matter. Besides, the seats are the same anyway. ( and it saves me a 20 minute walk to the gate at AMS and a 30 min taxi ther as well...  Smile

KL911



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business.

LH and other European airlines offer return trips for 99 Euro, I'm not talking about regular or biz class fares.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

Statistics won't save you if anything goes wrong. If FR leaves you behind in the middle of nowhere, with a refund of ten Euro, you won't care about the usually great on-time performance any longer.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Exactly. Part of a great businessplan...

They earn lots of money with that plan, but as I said, if FR continuously forces competitors to lower their service levels the plan is far from being great for the customers.
If I call a LCC business plan a "great one", then it's Southwest's.


PH



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
If FR leaves you behind in the middle of nowhere, with a refund of ten Euro,

If EUR10 is all you paid, then that is what you can expect back. Simple.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
you won't care about the usually great on-time performance any longer.

Maybe you won't, but the airline will because it will have targets to meet in order for those statistics to be presented to investors. Unless targets are met, potential funding could go astray, which in the long term would mean pulling off routes and by default passengers are not given the opportunity to fly from A to B any more because the company may choose to no longer operate the route in question.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
if FR continuously forces competitors to lower their service levels the plan is far from being great for the customers.

Nonsense. If a competitor airline lowers it's service levels, it is they who have chosen to do so. FR have not held a gun to their head and threatened them into it.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 3):
There should be automatic ban on FR threads and their "free flights", it has been discussed a million times before

I know, but this was specific to the world cup, that's why I wanted to post it.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges.

Yes, but those are not part of the revenue of the company.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

It depends. For me, the travel experience is a hassle now a days and I like to enjoy it from the beginning. It is a choice, pay cheap-fly cheap or do the contrary.

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 6):
I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair.

Please details!.. I haven't seen that show.



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business

Where is your evidence that KLM and B|A have a 500 euro fare in Europe for a leisure flight? It is important that you substantiate your rhetoric.

In the meantime I've found a return BA flight for a fraction under 480 euros. It is a high season flight inclusive of taxes and surcharges and is LHR-JFK on 7 July and JFK-LHR on 14 July.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
Where is your evidence that KLM and B|A have a 500 euro fare in Europe for a leisure flight?

I've just been given the rest of my life off work by my employer, and have decided to drown my sorrows with a cool beer in the warm Potuguese sun and have decided to take myself to FAO tomorrow from LGW.

I got this great fare from BA.com

Outbound BA6884 Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Faro,Portugal Economy (Traveller) Wed 17 May 2006 ,15:30 Wed 17 May 2006 , 18:20
Inbound BA6887 Faro,Portugal Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Economy (Traveller) Wed 24 May 2006 ,23:10 Thu 25 May 2006 , 01:50

Price breakdown Fare per person plus taxes, fees, charges and surcharges* per person Total

1 Adult £ 352.00 £ 42.90 £ 394.90

* The price of your ticket includes a security, insurance and fuel surcharge per flight levied by the carrier. For details please click here .
The price quoted excludes a surcharge that will be levied if you pay by credit card

Total flight price £ 394.90(UK Pounds)



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
If EUR10 is all you paid, then that is what you can expect back. Simple.

Then FR should always add that to their colorful ads. Many customers who are not really involved in aviation are not aware that they can easily end up in the middle of nowhere.
And btw, I paid 109 Euro on LH two weeks ago and was offered a re-routing plus a compensation of 350 Euro because the flight was overbooked. Simple.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
Maybe you won't, but the airline will because it will have targets to meet in order for those statistics to be presented to investors. Unless targets are met, potential funding could go astray, which in the long term would mean pulling off routes and by default passengers are not given the opportunity to fly from A to B any more because the company may choose to no longer operate the route in question.

What's your point? I said people who rely on FR's on-time performance and suddenly find themselves stranded won't be impressed by apparently great numbers any longer.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
Nonsense. If a competitor airline lowers it's service levels, it is they who have chosen to do so. FR have not held a gun to their head and threatened them into it.

We all know how competition works: the market leader directly influences its rivals. In order to remain competitive, they need to cut prices and necessarily cut quality. Unfortunately, people tend to be price-driven in many fields of life, while ignoring the side effects.


PH



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 16):
I've just been given the rest of my life off work by my employe

My commiserations - and apologies. But I assume it was a late booking? Either way, enjoy and do not get too p***ed.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
people tend to be price-driven in many fields of life, while ignoring the side effects.

Well, who's to blame for that then? The airline, or the individual?

I've had this discussion with passengers on many occasions in my 12 years working in aviation.

Where does the airline's responsibility end, and where does the passenger's responsibility begin?

It is the individual's responsibility to ensure that they furnish themselves with all relevant terms and conditions of the contract, prior to undertaking travel with the airline. In fact, and as with all airline websites as far as I'm aware, the individual is required to acknowledge that they have read and understood those terms and conditions prior to being allowed to pay for the flight.

If the individual chooses to continue without making that acknowledgement, then they only have themselves to blame for not being fully aware of what may or may not occur in the event of a diversion or cancellation, for example.

To go for the cheap seats is great; but to ignore the T's & C's is foolish!
It doesn't take much searching either. Here's FR's complete Terms & Conditions. See section 9 regarding Schedules, Cancellations, Delays & Diversions. It's pretty clear cut as far as I can see.

http://www.ryanair.com/site/conditions/docs/ryanair_carriage.pdf



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Why give away 100.000 flights if a goal is scored against England? Is Ryanair an English airline? Might as well give a zillion flights away if Germany scores against say, Botswana or Bangladesh.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6640 posts, RR: 78
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 19):
Well, who's to blame for that then? The airline, or the individual?



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 19):
Where does the airline's responsibility end, and where does the passenger's responsibility begin?

These are the key questions. And I tend to say both are responsible. It's well known how advertising influences people. The price may influence the overall perception. They should add a well visible reference to their terms and conditions to any sensational ad.

And even if the terms and conditions are read - are they written so that everyone -even those without a clue about aviation - can understand them properly?


* If your flight is cancelled or before the date of travel, is rescheduled so as to depart more than three hours before or after the original departure time then you will be entitled to a travel credit or full refund of all monies paid if the alternative flight/s offered are not suitable to you and you do not travel.
* Ryanair does not provide compensation for flights which are delayed or cancelled for reasons beyond Ryanair's control. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force to cover such eventualities. Your rights under EU Regulation 261/2004 are unaffected, so in the case of denied boarding, flight cancellation or a delay in excess of two hours you will be provided with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in line with such Regulation.
* Passengers who book well in advance should re-check their outward/return flight timings on www.ryanair.com or with a Ryanair reservations centre between 24 and 72 hours prior to departure.



PH



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User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
Quoting Christeljs (Reply 6):
I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair

Two Dispatches undercover reporters spent five months secretly filming Ryanair's training programme and onboard flights as members of the cabin crew . The reporters reveal what really takes place behind the scenes: inadequate safety and security checks, dirty planes, exhausted cabin crew and pilots complaining about the number of hours they have to fly. And watch Ryanair staff speaking frankly about their experiences and attitudes towards passengers.

- It was on the UK Television's Channel 4 10th of February'06.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006060880,00.html

[Edited 2006-05-17 00:14:14]


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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

This has been previously been discussed rather extensively.

Check out the link below for the discussion...

Ryanair Vs Dispatches (by CamAir Feb 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2598773

 Smile



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 20):
Why give away 100.000 flights if a goal is scored against England?

Because the Press will pick up on it, and blab it all over the front page for days! Advertising for the price of a press release.

And those free 100.000 seats are likely to be seats that FR already knows will be empty if they aren't given away.

According to other threads (and I'll say allegedly) a high proportion of free flights are never used and FR just pockets the taxes, fees and charges (his fee for processing a refund of these is higher than the amount of refund). Allegedly their 'insurance' surcharge is the highest in the business (and then they have the nerve, in their conditions of carriage, to advise you to take out even more insurance for cancellations or delays)


25 BCAL : So you think that the undercover reporters, with less than six months on-the-job training and no background in aviation, were more experienced to jud
26 PlaneHunter : None. If you had read carefully you'd know that I do not question the LCC model in general. No, it's not the same. If I buy a TV for ten Euro and it
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