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First Video Of Pentagon 9/11 Attack Released  
User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

I Know there was a thread about when it was going to be released, but i thought id post the video here because the other title would have been somewhat misleading.....if it has been posted already please dont flame me...i didnt see an actual link posted in the other thread...    

its the link within the story...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

RIP flight 77 and the rest of the 9/11 victims.

HighFlyer   

[Edited 2006-05-16 22:27:29]


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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

I've already posted in the other thread on this today. I only see what appears to be a missile. No plane, not convinced. Sorry!

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Sorry, where's the aircraft?

As has been said above....

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 1):
No plane, not convinced.

...I'll go a bit further....

Complete nonsense!



Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Video Of AA Flt 77 To Be Released (by Boeing Nut May 16 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Duplicate.

Should have added to the other thread.

Suggest delete.


User currently offlineLando From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

I do not see a plane. What I see is too small to be a commercial airliner. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I dont see how that is supposed to be a Boeing aircraft.

Lando


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 2):
Sorry, where's the aircraft?

If you pause the video at 0:07, you can see the aircraft right above the lawn at the right of the screen. it also looks the same colors as the AA aircraft. unlike the tower impacts, this one seems as though it may have hit the ground before hitting the pentagon itself, if you look at the paused frame at 0:07...also, it is a frame by frame time lapse capture, not a concistent video, so seeing an object fly into it is not evident at first glance.



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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Where have I seen this footage before? Hmmmm.

Same ole' film, same ole' story. Can we see the Citgo or Sheraton hotel films please.....is that too much to ask?

If you guys can listen to my calls and catalogue my phone records....and use the worn out excuse "if you are not doing anything wrong then there is nothing to worry about" then I can use it on you. If there isn't something fishy going on here, then let's see the Gas Station video.....what do you have to hide?

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.....wake me when it's over.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2068 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Quoting Lando (Reply 4):
I do not see a plane. What I see is too small to be a commercial airliner. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I dont see how that is supposed to be a Boeing aircraft.

Yes, that thing in the last frame, before the explosion, seems to be to small for a B757.

Axel



Wer wenig weiss muss vieles glauben
User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
Yes, that thing in the last frame, before the explosion, seems to be to small for a B757.

I would have to agree...unless its just half the fusalage...



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User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Wow I am totally against all the conspiracy theories but that definately looks like a missile

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6077 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Highflyer: I see a plane at :07 as well. It moves to fast to see the tail section, but looks like an AA jet to me. I think what is forgotten about the size of the image is how far away it is. The Pentagon is a huge building and also the angle the plane is coming in making it appear smaller then it is. Long, silver and skinny. Sounds like an American 757.

If it's a missle, then where is AA #77?

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 5):
If you pause the video at 0:07, you can see the aircraft right above the lawn at the right of the screen. it also looks the same colors as the AA aircraft. unlike the tower impacts, this one seems as though it may have hit the ground before hitting the pentagon itself, if you look at the paused frame at 0:07...also, it is a frame by frame time lapse capture, not a concistent video, so seeing an object fly into it is not evident at first glance.

While it is difficult to make out, it does appear that the plane hit the ground just as it comes into view. I would definitely like to see the videos from the hotels, but as far as conspiracy theories go, I don't buy it.

If this isn't AA77, then where is AA77? There's no way it fell out of the sky without a trace and with no witnesses - NO WAY in HELL! The only way a jetliner could disappear without a trace would be in a remote region of the earth like Alaska, the Himalayas, Siberia, the Amazon or the arctic regions.


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 10):
I see a plane at :07 as well. It moves to fast to see the tail section, but looks like an AA jet to me. I think what is forgotten about the size of the image is how far away it is. The Pentagon is a huge building and also the angle the plane is coming in making it appear smaller then it is. Long, silver and skinny. Sounds like an American 757.

I did visit the pentagon after 9/11 and i saw the pentagon all damaged. it is a huge building. we should take that into consideration.



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Yep. That's right kiddies. The government is trying to kill us all.
Because I'm sure that's the government's #1 priority...to make us believe hoaxes.
And don't even try to believe all that rubbish about going to the moon.






 sarcastic 



'Cause you're on ATA again, and on ATA, you're on vacation!
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 5):
t may have hit the ground before hitting the pentagon itself

.... in which case, the plane would've surely exploded on the lawn first if it hit the ground at that speed, the building would then have been hit by the wreckage??

I have to say that I had always looked for a plane coming in at a 30+ degree angle.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 6):
then let's see the Gas Station video.....what do you have to hide?

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I still say that if Payne Stewarts plane had military jets on its tail within 10 minutes of failing to respond, where were the military on this day after significantly longer? That's as far as I'm being drawn into the topic.


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8765 times:
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This is the pentagon. One of the most highly guarded areas in the entire nation. If there is a video of this, there will be one that is more detailed. This offers zero 'proof' that a 757 hit the pentagon. I'm not saying AA77 did not hit the pentagon. I am saying this 'video' that is shown doesnt really show anything.

We all know that two 767s hit the twin towers in NYC. That proof is there, period. I find it very, very VERY unlikely that there is no substantial video of the same thing occuring at the Pentagon. Obviously, if they are releasing it from this angle, its not a matter of national security. Of course its not. All you see is a fireball. You dont see anything except for the fireball. For all we see, it could be a 757, an Airbus, a scud, or a suicidal finch with a bomb. Anyone who says they can actually make out a 757 is kidding themselves. The frame rate on this 'video' is a joke. I can take more detailed and faster pictures with my Nikon D70. The real video is out there, and I will believe it 100% when I see IT.

-AA777


User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

Looks like a missile or something else. Did not resemble any jet.... So, what gives?

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8659 times:

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 16):
Looks like a missile or something else. Did not resemble any jet.... So, what gives?

 sarcastic 

We blew up our own Military Headquarters . . . what do you think gives. . . .

What a load of shit . . . unbelieveable . . .

Were you there? Do you know anyone that was there? Did you lose anyone in the fireball? Did you help clean up the mess????

 sarcastic 

WTF?


User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8576 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
We blew up our own Military Headquarters

Going back to my question then, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, but where were the previously 'oh so efficient' NORAD for the two hours following the first of the four planes going off course? Mr Perle .... oooops  tapedshut 


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2588 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 11):
If this isn't AA77, then where is AA77? There's no way it fell out of the sky without a trace and with no witnesses - NO WAY in HELL! The only way a jetliner could disappear without a trace would be in a remote region of the earth like Alaska, the Himalayas, Siberia, the Amazon or the arctic regions.

I am not expressing this as a theory, but surely you could include the Atlantic Ocean in the above.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8519 times:

People should compare the dimensions of the "missile" that they claim to see to the height of the pentagon at the impact in the footage and ask themselves how long the so called "missile" is. Then they should ask themselves if there is a missile with such a length capable of flying horizontally next to the ground at high speed.

If you examine the footage, the "missile" has a length somewhere around twice that of the height of the Pentagon at the point of impact. The Pentagon is 77 ft tall. The "missile" would be at least 150ft in length. Where would one get a missile that long capable of flying that close to the ground? Where would one launch such a thing so it could approach the pentagon at that angle of attack?

By the way, the 757-200 is 155 ft long.



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):

Here we go, there's a few people here who have bravely spoken up saying "we don't believe you and you 757 story" and this guy's gonna cuss and swear at every one of us. ANC, we watched the broadcasts on TV too. Some people around the pentagon saw different things than other people. Some said a small private jet, other people said a missile, other people said an airliner. Some saw a military helicopter come around the front side of the E-ring just before the explosion. These are all documented on TV broadcasts. Who is to be believed? Just "eye witness accounts" without actual footage are as potentially fabricated as anything else.

What would be interesting is for someone to take the video and, to scale, insert a 757 at actual size where it supposedly is. I'll bet that it'll be a lot bigger than the little streak you can see one frame before the explosion, meaning that there should be more of the aircraft visible in this frame than what we're seeing. Or maybe I'll be wrong. But it's worth a try.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4741 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8478 times:

Sorry I see no plane.


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 21):

And I'll cuss and swear until tomorrow and the next day . . .you people are gawddamned pathetic . . . there's no other answer . . . and I'll cuss and swear and raise hell until the cows come home . . . you sorry assed individuals that have never laid your lives on he line for a damned thing other than personal gain and then have the gall and utter tenacity to decide that these people in the Pentagon died under the veil of a lie . . . it is sick, pathetic, and you should hang your damned heads in shame and thank them for their service. . . instead you question the method of their demise.

You are, without a question in my gawddamn mind, a sorry excuse for an American, a citizen of this country, a human being in general . . . and you can snivel and cry and whine all you want . . . I will not change my mind and will not give quarter where this is concerned.


Sergeant Major Lacey Ivory, RIP
Sergeant Larry Strickland, RIP

Two personal friends lost that day . . . .


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 14):
.... in which case, the plane would've surely exploded on the lawn first if it hit the ground at that speed, the building would then have been hit by the wreckage??

I didnt mean that it crashed into the ground, but rather skimmed it or made a little contact with it. in the following frames, you can see a lot of dust and dirt kicked up.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 19):
If this isn't AA77, then where is AA77? There's no way it fell out of the sky without a trace and with no witnesses

Well, i do agree it is a bit strange... but also consider:

1. not many people are at home in a quiet residential area next to the pentagon-there is a highway there.

2. if we assume that most people are working, they are not expecting a 757 over there office. if we assume some poeple are in cubicals, forget that they saw it.

3. if they work next to or on a busy street, how many people besides aviation enthusiasts would recognize the sound of airplane engines in a few seconds? my estimate is that most would dismiss it as a loud truck. even if they did identify it, most would be too skeptical to acknowledge it.

4. to my knowlegde, all of the hijacked planes were at full throttle at overspeed at 400-500MPH. so, your reaction time to a) grab a camera b) turn it on c) find the target and d) track it would not be as fast as that jet. even if you didnt have a camera, it is not very likely that you would get a positive ID on the target if you were working on something else. we are only human.

5. there are many things the goverment does not tell us, leaving 9/11 free to speculation. but, with that said, there may be an acurate video that the pentagon will never release.

[Edited 2006-05-16 23:49:01]


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25 CMHSRQ : There is no doubt the AA 77 hit the pentagon. There is overwhellming evidence to prove it.
26 Falcon84 : So you're telling me someone who never really flew a 757, was able to keep it JUST ABOVE the lawn, and not leave a SINGLE MARK on the ground? I don't
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